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WN To Double PHL Departures By Next Spring  
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3395 times:
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PHILADELPHIA, Nov 24, 2005 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Southwest Airlines Co.
plans to increase the number of gates it leases at Philadelphia International
Airport next year, allowing the low-cost carrier to significantly boost its
daily flight schedule.

By next spring, Southwest expects to lease a dozen gates at the airport, meaning
it could double the schedule of 53 flights a day it has now, according to
airline and airport officials.

Even with more than 100 flights a day, Dallas-based Southwest would remain
behind US Airways in Philadelphia departures. Philadelphia is US Airways Group
Inc.'s second-largest domestic hub and its primary international hub, with 475
daily flights to 110 destinations.

Southwest operates from six gates at the Philadelphia airport now. By early
January, the airline plans to take over leases on two gates used by UAL Corp.'s
United Airlines, said Steve Sisneros, Southwest's manager of properties. By
spring, Southwest will get four gates now used by Delta Air Lines Inc.

Southwest's expansion could further pressure US Airways to cut prices. In 2004,
when Southwest invaded US Airways' Philadelphia turf, average one-way fares here
dropped 26 percent.

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3387 times:

How can PHL deal with that kind of growth??? They have delays as it is!

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3380 times:

So WN will have gates on 2 concourses, correct?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3380 times:
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Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
How can PHL deal with that kind of growth??? They have delays as it is!

That's what I was thinking. WN must be doing really good out of PHL to warrant that kind of growth.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
So WN will have gates on 2 concourses, correct?

You might want to refer to this thread:
RE: PHL The Great Terminal Shuffle... (by USflt1778 Nov 17 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2442598

DL is moving to "A", Air France to "A(West) and UA appears to be cutting back at PHL for now. "E" is going into a construction phase (adding gates). My guess is that eventually WN will move all of their operations to E and move away from D. Imagine being able to easily bypass the WN masses enroute to your flight. It remains to be seen if WN can achieve their required turns at PHL with 100+ flights/day.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3330 times:

I hope to see STL-PHL with this expansion!

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Finally, Southwest Airlines, is becoming a major player in the East Coast!

For years the East Coast has suffered from the menacing service and inane pricing structures of Continental, American, and Delta Airlines. US Airways, has finally woken up and realized to survive in todays domestic market, you need two main things. Low Fares. Frequency.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
I hope to see STL-PHL with this expansion!


I could definitely see a couple STL-PHL flights happening.


User currently offlineFloorrunner From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

I would guess more frequencies to their Florida cities and when the Wright amendment goes down, service to DAL.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
How can PHL deal with that kind of growth??? They have delays as it is!

Clearly, you don't understand. US causing delays is bad, but WN causing delays is good. Follow?  Silly

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Finally, Southwest Airlines, is becoming a major player in the East Coast!

Finally?  Yeah sure

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
US Airways, has finally woken up and realized to survive in todays domestic market, you need two main things. Low Fares. Frequency.

On exactly which route at PHL has US *ever* offered less frequency than WN?



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 8):
I would guess more frequencies to their Florida cities

Additional flights to the West Coast, Florida, East Coast, and Midwest.

Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 8):
when the Wright amendment goes down, service to DAL

That will be the greatest day in American aviation! Would love to see the boys in Ft. Worth when that happens!

KAHALA777


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 9):
Finally?

I also think "finally" doesn't do WN proper justice, Kahala...

BWI has been one of WN's largest stations for years now, and WN have served many north east destinations (ISP, BDL, PVD, MHT, ALB, BUF) for more than a decade. PHL is simply another point on the WN map.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Philadelphia is US Airways Group
Inc.'s second-largest domestic hub and its primary international hub, with 475
daily flights to 110 destinations.

What is the breakdown for US at PHL between mainline/express/international?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 12):
What is the breakdown for US at PHL between mainline/express/international?

For December, the rough numbers are 158 mainline, 226 RJ, 91 turboprop.

International in December is 8 dailies to Europe, and about 14 to the Caribbean.



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 13):
For December, the rough numbers are 158 mainline, 226 RJ, 91 turboprop.

International in December is 8 dailies to Europe, and about 14 to the Caribbean.

A nice size operation, thanks for the info. Just two more questions about US at PHL...what is the highest number of departures they've ever had and have they "depeaked" their hub operation to help relieve some of the ATC issues? I read that WN was working with ATC to alleviate some of the delays and I'm sure US has done the same.

With 158 mainline flights it is possible for WN to at least equal that in the not too distant future.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 14):
Just two more questions about US at PHL...what is the highest number of departures they've ever had

They were in the 494-496 range from February through July of this year. As many as 225 mainline in February, before the mainline fleet count started plummeting.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 14):
have they "depeaked" their hub operation to help relieve some of the ATC issues?

They did depeak it back in February, to increase aircraft utilization. Didn't much help ATC and hurt connectivity more than anticipated, so they've since repeaked it a bit. They certainly do plenty of other things to help with ATC, like use alternate runways and such.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 14):
With 158 mainline flights it is possible for WN to at least equal that in the not too distant future.

Not with 12 gates.



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