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User currently offlineIl75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 262 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

I had the chance to visit Buenos Aires a couple of times lately (EZE). Arriving early in the morning from Europe I realized that most of the B-747 I used to see before are now gone (I would say the only exception is Aerolíneas Argentinas). Former 747 flights have turned into A-340: (Lufthansa and Iberia) or B-777 (Air France). I don't know if British Airways is still flying the 747.
Could any shortly explain to me why the jumbo jet no longer is the preferred aircraft for these routes? My experience is that flights mostly depart with full passenger load. Do not 50-70 more occupied seats compensate for the higher fuel consumption (if that is the issue)?

Thank you and best regards
Erico

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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

For sure you still have Malaysian 744 service to EZE.

By the way why did SA quit EZE - They used to take 742 and 747SP to EZE?


User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Hello Il75,

I'm afraid to tell you, you are wrong with most of the data you give here. I don't know when you last visited Ezeiza, but things are completely different than you picture them.

Quoting Il75 (Thread starter):
A-340: (Lufthansa and Iberia)

Lufthansa is currently flying FRA-GRU-EZE with Boeing 747-400. Iberia varies, somedays they come with the A346, somedays with the B742.

Quoting Il75 (Thread starter):
I don't know if British Airways is still flying the 747.

British Airways flies LHR-GRU-EZE 4x weekly with Boeing 747-400.

Also add Malaysia's 744 KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE 2x weekly and the plethora of 744s and 742s of Aerolineas.

Actually, EZE is South America's airport with the biggest Boeing 747 presence.

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
By the way why did SA quit EZE - They used to take 742 and 747SP to EZE?

SAA left EZE for a code-share agreement with Varig on the GRU-EZE leg. The Argentina-South Africa market is not very big, and they were facing competition with Malaysia, which usually offers very cheap fares (EZE-CPT = 500 USD last summer!).

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

LH was one of the first airlines to offer nonstop flights from EZE to Europe in the early 90's with the introduction of the 747-400.
The first commercial flight of LH A346 was from FRA to EZE.
Now Lufthansa flies the 744 on the route.

BA was using the 777, now the 744.

AF switch from the 744 to the 777.

AZ flies the 777.

And IB the good old 747-200 or the A346.

Boeing 747 operators in the past/present to EZE:

Alitalia
Pan American
KLM
British Airways
Lufthansa
Air France
Iberia
SAA
Malaysian
Qantas
Southern Winds
Aeroposta ( charter, flying the first 747 delivered to PA)
Aerolineas Argentinas
Varig

That's all I can remember.

USADreamliner


User currently offlineArgento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

During 2002-2003 most of the 747 disappear from EZE , except AR and MH.That was the period that LH used the 346 non-stop, BA the 777 and IB 343-346.

User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
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Aerolineas Argentinas = 742, 744
Air Plus Comet = 742
British Airways = 744
Lufthansa = 744
Malaysia Airlines = 744
Aerolineas del Sur = 742

Quoting Marambio (Reply 2):
Iberia varies, somedays they come with the A346, somedays with the B742.

Long, long time ago!!!!



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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

I was wondering when is LH going to resume nonstop flights FRA-EZE. I heard that LH GRU-SCL leg on the A346 have very poor loads, but I don´t know about GRU-EZE leg. Considering they send a B744, I believe that could be a possibility to send a A343 (range issues?) or a A346 nonstop, if not daily, at least something like 5x a week. Germany is one of the strongest international markets for Brazil, and so one would think Argentina deserves at least a nonstop flight, specially with only one carrier flying directly.

For the 747s in EZE, what about Air Plus Comet? Is it still flying?


User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

I did not know Air Plus Comet 742 and Aerolineas del Sur 742 served EZE in the past? What routings? and year/decade of service?

User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 5):
Aerolineas del Sur = 742

Sorry my ignorance, what airline is that?
Any more info?
Is the Chilean carrier ?When thy start using the 742?


USADreamliner


User currently offlineIl75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I apologize.

I left Buenos Aires last Saturday a week ago after a two-weeks visit (I traveled on an IB A-346, as I did twice in 2004). And I traveled in May on an AF 777.

I didn't see any B-747 apart from those of Aerolineas. I sure jumped into a wrong conclusion.

I am happy to know that the Jumbo Jet is still in use. I am very fond of that aircraft even if I prefer the comfort of the B777 and the A346 compared to the old birds Iberia and Aerolíneas were flying, at least for a couple of years ago.

I didn't know LH had switched back to the B747. I stop flying with them when they cancelled the non-stop flight.

Thank you for correcting me!
Erico


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6900 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

I definitely can vouch for seeing LH,AR,BA,MH at EZE. in the past month

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

I flew to EZE from NYC in October and when we landed, we parked right next to a LH 747-400. It had arrived from FRA from either GRU or nonstop and was either headed back to GRU or on to SCL.

MH flies several times a week from EZE with 744.


User currently offlineGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Did Braniff ever fly into EZE? And, if so, did they use their big orange 747?

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Iberia switched to the A340-300/600s because they are fazing the B747-200/300/400s out of their fleet. When the A340 started to show up at EZE back in 2003 Iberia currently had a fleet of 5 B747-200s and 2 B747-300s. During 2003/2004 EC-DNP, EC-HVD, and EC-IAF where fazed out of the fleet leaving EC-DIA, EC-DIB, TF-ATI, and TF-ATJ.

When the A340 started flying to EZE the B747 focus was shifted more to North America serving MIA, JFK, ORD, SJU, HAV, and SDQ until recently sometime in 2004 when all US operations except for MIA, SJU, HAV, and SDQ where being flown by the A340-300/600 and MIA, SJU, HAV, and SDQ remained the B747-200/300/400 until very recently + the A340-300/600s. (HAV is still being flown by the B747-400s)

As for other B747s serving EZE I can only vouch for Aerolineas Argentinas and Air Plus Comet and the recently deased Southern Winds since I have seen the three B747-200/400s leaving MAD numerous times with a destination of EZE.


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As for photos that I found in the database of B747s serving EZE recently (that wheren't Aerolineas Argentinas, Southern Winds, or Air Plus Comet) this is what I found:


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(If I have wrote some false information with the reason of IB switching to the B747 please do correct me as I am not 100% sure of the reason for switching aircraft  Smile )



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