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RFD And Hooters Still Talking About New Flights  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3128 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Courtesy: WREX-TV

Hooters Air "Up in the Air"

http://www.wrex.com/index_v1.asp?IDQ=3470&Step=2

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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

So what destinations does Hooters serve from Rockford?

OK, UA is coming to town to fly a route in the same general direction they (Hooters) already fly....why couldn't they take on another route? Rather than the customer base they've invested in building? BWI seems logical...
Seems like a waste to me....Doesn't Hooters serve Atlanta? I am surprised it wasn't on the list of 'dream' destinations mentioned in the article?

But, I should know by now it is no use second-guessing airline actions.



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Hooters Air isn't going anywhere.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Was talking to my friend, he said he got some emails from some people that are telling him Hooters will soon be announcing an Ohio City.... You can guess which airport. One person said an announcement by years end and the other says April Start Dates....

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3128 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2943 times:

Actually I can't guess. Out of this list I will pick one:

A. CLE
B. CMH
C. CAK - My guess is here.
D. TOL
E. YNG
F. CVG
G. DAY


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
Actually I can't guess. Out of this list I will pick one:

My friend tells me it is YNG; Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport. Both the airport and airline confirmed it and you can email both and they will confirm it. Also to add: Fred Krum of CAK Stated in an email with me this; I do not beleive [HOOTERS] would do well for CAK.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3128 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2742 times:

Courtesy: WREX-TV

Hooters Air Exodus A "Misunderstanding"

http://www.wrex.com/index_v1.asp?IDQ=3510&Step=2

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Courtesy: WIFR-TV

More Than a Million People Learn More About Rockford's Airport In One Day

http://www.wifr.com/news/headlines/2026377.html

Video Report:

http://ww2.wifr.com/global/video/pop...=info&playerVersion=1&rnd=94849655


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2719 times:

Air Tran will fly RFD to ATL and MCO within a year.

[Edited 2005-11-30 22:29:16]

User currently offlineFlymli From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 2669 times:

AirTran will never look at RFD or serve RFD when they are already in MKE and MDW.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting Flymli (Reply 8):
AirTran will never look at RFD or serve RFD when they are already in MKE and MDW.

Then why is NW and UA there?


User currently offlineMdw22l31c From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

I remember when TWA 727 had flight from WORD and Ozark has DC flight from WORD, DEN STALE.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
B. CMH

They're already big in LCK. Why move to CMH for no reason?


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
My friend tells me it is YNG; Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport. Both the airport and airline confirmed it and you can email both and they will confirm it. Also to add: Fred Krum of CAK Stated in an email with me this; I do not beleive [HOOTERS] would do well for CAK.

That was my guess



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3128 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Courtesy: Rockford Register Star

RFD Offers Guarantee To Hooters Air Customers

http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...BUSINESS04/112020007/1002/BUSINESS


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

See thread #3 Big grin

Next up....Air Tran


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Where the hell does the RFD Airport authority get all this money? Millions to UA, now these vouchers and cash guarantees. Someone's got to be unwillingly paying the tab for all this, because it's a little out of hand for an airport that small. It's not like we're talking ORD here.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

I don't know the intimate details, but I'm sure the revenues from UPS help.

User currently offlineFlymli From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

In my book, if the money is coming from UPS then you have something the FAA calls revenue diversion and that is a no no. I think the Feds will be taking a look at this whole situation very soon. The money to Northwest for the DTW service is about out and I would expect that service to halt in April 2006. Why would someone but a ticket on Hooter's if the airport is going to give out incentives to make sure you book Hooter's. By the way, NO WAY on AirTran.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting Flymli (Reply 17):
In my book, if the money is coming from UPS then you have something the FAA calls revenue diversion and that is a no no

Yep. And to that extent, if I was UPS I'd quietly start to divert traffic to other more friendly airports. Considering UPS is by far the biggest revenue source up there... they're getting screwed royally when the money they bring in is being spent on other things besides improving the airport facilities. There's always room for improvement. Anything from some asphalt to a new deicing truck would be better for UPS than RFD giving away every last penny to chase a few RJ's and 732's into town.


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

As a student, I haven't been introduced to the concept of Revenue Diversion. Thanks for exposing me to it.

I did some research on it, and I came across an article about it from the AOPA: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/revenue.html

This paragraph struck some interest:

In accordance to federal law, revenues generated by a federally obligated airport must be expended for the capital or operating costs of the airport. The reasons for this are evident. First, the federal government wants to protect its investment at the airport. Second, it is in everyone's interest to see an economically healthy airport that is able to operate efficiently. In addition, if an airport uses the revenue it generates according to the law, the balance between what the airport charges its users, and what they use is maintained. It would be totally unacceptable for an airport to increase its rates and charges to users and then use those increases in airport revenues to fund an off-airport, non-aeronautical project such as a city park.

You being the Airport Director for Quad Cities Regional, I was wondering if you could explain to a novice how Revenue Guarantees would be considered as "non-aviation".

Thanks in advance....


User currently offlineMidway737 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting Flymli (Reply 8):
AirTran will never look at RFD or serve RFD when they are already in MKE and MDW.

I doubt Airtran will serve there. It already a close proximity in the area such as Chicago Midway, Mitchell, Bloomington/Normal,Moline. What more? Airtran is expanding at Midway so it no time to get involve with RFD.




United serve Denver from RFD
Northwest to Detroit. Still flying???
Alligant Air to Orlando/Sanford and McCarren


User currently offlineFlymli From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Re: Loisencroach on revenue diversion please check out the following information that you can obtain on the FAA webpage. The information will answer alot of your questions on how airport revenue can be spent. For example, you can use airport revenue for promotional and marketing expense to help the airline but not to be used to guarantee the bottom line on the airline making money. Their has been a lot of discussion in Congress about revenue diversion and I am sure there is information on web pages to further discuss this topic.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

FlyMLI: Thanks for your reply. It's nice to get real expertise.

I found this website, and if you have the time to explain it to me (I understand if you don't), I would appreciate it.

http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=687

Paragraph of interest:
Prohibits the use of airport revenues for, among other things:

· direct or indirect payments that exceed the fair and reasonable value of services and facilities provided to the airport (cost is identified as a reliable indicator of value); · payments based on cost allocation formulas inconsistent with the policy statement or not calculated consistently for the airport and other comparable units or cost centers of government; · general economic development, marketing and promotional activities unrelated to airports or airport systems; · impact fees assessed by a governmental body or payments in lieu of taxes that exceed the value of services or facilities provided to the airport. (For corrective action purposes, however, FAA will consider whether a non-sponsor and the sponsor's legal ability to avoid paying the fee imposed the fee, and whether such fees may be appropriate where the sponsor must take action in connection with airport development.); · loans of airports funds to a state or local agency at less than the prevailing interest rate; and · direct subsidy of air carrier operations (non-discriminatory waivers or discounted landing or other fees during a promotional period would not be considered diversion or a violation of the requirement for a self-sustaining rate structure).

How does RFD violate the terms defined in the last sentence?

Thank you very much for your time.


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