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Can HEL Expand As Quickly As AY?  
User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2247 times:

As you may already know, Finnair will have doubled its MD-11 fleet when it receives its 8th aircraft next year. By the time A350:s or B787:s are introduced, the number is expected to be at least 10.

This means that HEL may in the near future have to host a long haul fleet of 10 MD-11 and 7 B757. If you take a look at the airport maps the Finnish CAA provides, you may notice a certain problem. I've highlighted the non-EU part of Terminal 2 in the thumbnail:


Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that's four whole gates! (gate 29 is shared, though)

Dedicating more of the terminal to non-EU flights doesn't seem feasible, especially since there needs to be a passport control area in between.

I've seen plans regarding a new terminal area between the runways, but I'm not sure how smart it would be to implement such an enormous increase in capacity before passenger numbers have clearly grown enough. I have again highlighted the relevant area in the thumbnail: (Note that there isn't as much space to the left of T2 as the map would indicate.)



This situation raises some questions I would appreciate opinions on:

-Since the reason behind Finnair's amazing growth is the excellent hub at HEL, how badly will possible congestion in the current terminal hurt it?

-How can the chicken/egg-problem be solved? Passenger numbers won't grow without more gates, but a new terminal area would be such a dramatic increase in capacity that it would probably be unprofitable for a long time.

-What would happen to the current terminals? Domestic traffic isn't going to fill T1 and T2, and you can't really start shipping transit passengers back and forth if you keep some international flights in T2. (Well you could, but it would seriously hurt HEL's image as a fast hub.)

-Will Finnair management put out a contract on CAA management if they screw up HEL?

-How much of a hassle would a new terminal area be for passengers from/to HEL? Would you complain if check in was in T2, and you had to take a train to Tx afterwards?

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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

I have been told that the new non-EU terminal "can be expanded easily", what ever it means in practise.
As said, the easy transit is the key thing if HEL wants to remain as a fast hub.

Atleast the 3 runways can handle the growth.
The planned train connection to the city would be great, but will not be there in near future. And if most of the new passengers arrive for transit only, that shouldn't be a problem.


User currently offlineJormy From Finland, joined Jan 2000, 231 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 1):
I have been told that the new non-EU terminal "can be expanded easily", what ever it means in practise.

I think it basically means this kind of expansion:


(picture from Marja-line brochure)


User currently offlineAGRflyer From Switzerland, joined Nov 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1931 times:
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I love HEL very much. It is easy to connect which I did once (ZRH-HEL-PVG and return). In addition to that I fly at least twice a year to HEL from my home airport ZRH to spend a weekend with my Finnish friend at his summer house.

But the last two times flew to HEL the non Schengen part of the terminal was very crowed and I was always brought by bus to my plane which can be very hard especially in the winter.

I hope the expansion of the terminal will start very soon.



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User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

I did AMS-HEL-PEK and PVG-HEL-AMS last month. It was my first time through HEL and I was surprised by how efficient and quick it is for transiting. The ideal stop when going to Asia!

Globe Trekker / AUA



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Quoting Jormy (Reply 2):
I think it basically means this kind of expansion:

That picture looks very interesting, thanks! A terminal expansion like that would require the demolition of two other buildings and a parking area, however. Definitely worth it, but not completely simple.

Let's hope they get to it soon .

Edit: Why on earth would anyone put the train station that far from the terminals?

[Edited 2005-11-27 10:26:01]

User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Well, I do have something to complain about the otherwise nice HEL terminal(s): Many of the gates don't have practically any lounge space or any seating at all! Or, sometimes the pax are not allowed to enter the gate lounges even if they exist. This has happened to me a few times at "that corner gate close to the cafeteria". They just check you in the plane directly from the common area, and leave the seating area unused. I don't get it, you have 150 people standing and blocking the isles in the terminal, and especially for people with kids, for elderly, or just tired...that is a real pain. Anyone from Helsinki can explain this??

The expansion; would AY have to pay for the construction of that area? They would be the only users. You know, the same way as the airlines are responsible for building their own terminals at some airports (e.g. JFK) here in the US. However, AY being a national (government) airline, I guess it would be just shifting money from one pocket to another.


User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 6):
They just check you in the plane directly from the common area, and leave the seating area unused.

Yeah, it's retarded. What they should do is forget about the separation completely and just let anyone sit there, checking people in at the door to the tube instead. I'm sure they have some reason, though.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 6):
The expansion; would AY have to pay for the construction of that area? They would be the only users. You know, the same way as the airlines are responsible for building their own terminals at some airports (e.g. JFK) here in the US.

Unlikely. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't still pay indirectly through gate fees etc. The airport would pay for the investment, but then also make a profit on it.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 6):
However, AY being a national (government) airline, I guess it would be just shifting money from one pocket to another.

That's incorrect. The Finnish government owns a majority of AY to prevent hostile takeovers, but it's still a completely normal company. No funds can be shifted in either direction, except as a customer or through dividends.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Quoting Jormy (Reply 2):
I think it basically means this kind of expansion:

Looks awesome! And the illustration is done by the Finnish Civil Aviation Administration, as it says in Finnish, which is nice.

And before that, it wouldn't be such a bad move to use gate 28 on the same share-bases as gate 29. All you need is one extra glass corridor and you would be able to use it both as a non-Schengen and as a Schengen gate.



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