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Airlines Hiring Pilots Question  
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

I have a friend who is thinking in doing his undergraduate studies in Metheorology then making a pilot course (something like the 9/11 terrorist did). Does he have a chance of being hired by a good airline or only like regional ones?? The problem is that he can´t pay UND or Embry-Riddle to study aviation from the beginning.
Thanks for your info beforehand.
Regards,
Adam


Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

As a student pilot my self here, IM slightly confused, different airlines have different specific requirements on what they are looking for to build a successful group of pilots. As far as UND and "EMB" , as we call it around here, go...no, Those schools are absolutely fabulous, but they are just a different outline in the exact same training in which a pilot will receive,as long as a training program is FAA cert (which it will be) then its likely to give you a valuable amount of knowledge. A newer trend I've seen developing over the past few years would include that many pilots are finishing their flight training at community colleges (like me at 21,000 dollars a year, thanks dad!) then after they finish CFIing at that school, or doing whatever they do to get hours, they are taking advantage of the new online based degree programs to earn a bachelors degree to get them selves into the left seat (as is a requirement at some of the big dogs anymore) if that is indeed a career requirement for them. As far as school requirements for regionals, I don't know a whole lot...but Certainly I believe you can fly left seat without a four year, and IM not sure if you even need an associates to fly right seat, besides the training and hours! I can't see an airline like mesa/ RP turning down a guy with 2000 total hrs, 300 multi, and high turbine time, but with no 2yr degree! Hope this answers your questions! (maybe someone more qualified than a 17 yearold PPL student will have more insight for you)
-bri EUG


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

VS is hiring pilots!. go for it!

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

CO is also hiring. It couldn't hurt to register a profile through their website.

User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Is is 17. He is yet not a pilot. He will start studing Meteorology first and then making first pilot course. He will ave he´s license lets say in 5 years from now.
Can he register NOW in CO´s website? Even though he is not a pilot yet? I doubt it.
Anyway, thanks for all the help.
Regards,
Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

The airlines will always be hiring pilots, so your best bet is to have him look around at which ones he is interested in. Then, look at what they require for new pilots and he'll soon get an idea about what the industry usually looks for. It will take some time before he's up to the minimums for hiring, but he can at least have an idea of what he needs to shoot for.

Outside of that, he just needs to finish flight training and constantly check the airlines' requirements. It would be a good idea to begin fixing up a resume for the hiring process, but none of this needs to be worried about until initial flight training courses are completed.

If you're asking if he has a chance of being hired, of course he does. But it will be tough, just like any other industry. Since he hasn't completed anything yet, I can't tell you anything more than to just review the requirements and get started with training.



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User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
Does he have a chance of being hired by a good airline or only like regional ones??

Ouch.


User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Getting hired by ANY airline is a complete and utter bonus! I'm sat with a full CPL etc but no job yet, just like many other pilots. The hard work is not completing the training, its getting your first airline position.

Good luck to him, but if you are training to be a Commercial Airline Pilot, there are no gurantees of a job at the end of it.

Now where's that application for Burger King?  Smile



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Your friend should not worry about what airlines he will get in with or what his hours need to be. First he needs to get his PPL than his Instrument and Twin and so on. You need to take it one step at a time. Ofcourse he has a chance of flying for airlines just depends how many hours and all. Its good that he is getting an education other than flying. Were you get your training is not the important thing it is what you do with it how you get your hours what type of hours do you get. Most likely he will go for a regional airline than a major. And no you cant send any resumes or anything like that yet. He atleast needs his CPL first.

Go to www.jetcareers.com Anet has alot of info but this site is the best site on the internet for pilots asking questions to pilots about how to get into the airlines. Also another good site is www.pprune.org



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

First thing is first. What country does he live in? Where does he want to study/do his license and where does he want to fly? There are very different training procedures in Europe as opposed to the US. If he wants to train in Europe and even if he goes to a local flight school, he still has a very good chance of getting hired on with a regional or charter European airline in his early twenties. Any extra type of training/education which is aviation related is always beneficial but is not what guarantees you a job or success. As other members have stated, there are no guarantees.

Just the basics though, he will need to have a radio license which requires a certain degree in understanding English, a medical, and then it goes of with the PPL, CPL, IFR, ME and ATPL and maybe a few others such as LRN. The ground school in most European countries in much more intense then in North America. Also, a word of caution, if your friend is thinking about training in the US and then flying professionally in Europe, check with your countries transport regulations first, you may not be able to fly commercially there with a FAA issued license.



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Dear boy you have much to learn. ALL pilots had to start somewhere. You do not get hired by a major airline with out a decade or so of experience under your belt. Whether you gain that experience through the military or by working your way up the food chain. Regional carriers believe it or not are closer to the top of the food chain than the bottom. By the time most pilots get to the regionals (excluding those who skipped ahead through internship programs which hire you with lower flight hours etc.)They have spent several years building time flight instructing, paying for flight time, working for small cargo companies, flying island tours, or through numerous other small ventures.

Don't forget to work for a major, lowcost or regional airline, he will need a 4 year college degree in any major. I reccomend non aviation degrees so that he'll have skills to fall back when the industry experiences its periodical downturns.


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
Don't forget to work for a major, lowcost or regional airline, he will need a 4 year college degree in any major. I recommend non aviation degrees so that he'll have skills to fall back when the industry experiences its periodical downturns.

You don't "NEED" a four year degree, it is not required at regional airlines and even some majors, it is HIGHLY recommended though, the chances of ending you flying in a heavy aircraft are low if you don't get one but you don't need to. But again Highly recommended.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
You do not get hired by a major airline with out a decade or so of experience under your belt.

That is completely incorrect. In Europe and Asia the Major airlines will hire pilots that don't even have their full ATP yet. Just a frozen one which means less than 1500 hours. Some guys will get 737 FO job with as little as 600 hours which is less than a 135 freight pilot in the US can have or just about every RJ pilot. For a job with the regionals the normal requirements are around 1500 total time with a CPL and around 250 twin. But going through some programs like ATP flight school you can get a regional job with as little as 700TT and 150 Multi.

Checo77: Where does he want to be a pilot? Is he in good health? And he does speak english Well right?



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
You do not get hired by a major airline with out a decade or so of experience under your belt.

In the US/Canada, chances are slim. In the rest of the world it's very possible. In Europe as an example, it is not uncommon to get a right seat position in a B737 charter company either right after flight school or with in a couple of years.



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
You do not get hired by a major airline with out a decade or so of experience under your belt

This is incorrect. Remember for example the captain of the BA A320 who is 20 years old!!! And KLM for example, hires pilot from 21 up.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 11):
heco77: Where does he want to be a pilot? Is he in good health? And he does speak english Well right?

He´s english is perfect, he also speaks french and spanish, so no problem here. He want to fly with any major airline in US or Europe. He says his dream, though, is to be a pilot of KLM (concidence: that was mine too years back Big grin)
His healt is good, I suppose (he says he will do his medical 2 check in February, so we´ll see there).

To complete: He is Czech and he want to study Meteorology in University of Utah and then making his pilot course (similar to what the 9/11 terrosists did). Most probably, he wants to do his study in the US but he is not opposed to Europe as well.
Thanks for all the help.
Regards,
Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 13):
He want to fly with any major airline in US or Europe.

Getting into a major airline in Europe is easier than any major airline in the US. For the US I think you need to be a US citizent also. Going for a Major European Airline seems like the best thing to do. Remeber also if he does his training in the US he will have to convert his FAA licenses JAA licenses.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

The U of U is actually my alma matter. I hope he enjoys it there. I really miss those gorgeous Wasach mountains. My response was in reference to US majors. In the US you do need a degree to be competitive and get hired. There are of course exceptions but they are rare. There are also people who get hired (but not by US major's) with far less than a decade of experince. For example those hired though internship programs which waive normal minimums which I mentioned in my previous post. However that accounts for a small number of commercial pilots. The 20 year old someone refered to likely has several years experience under his belt. I have some dear friends who are young pilots. One was a 26 year old FO he'd been flying for over a decade started young, another was 23 and had been flying for ACA for 2 years he accelerated his studies at Embry-Riddle and was hired through the internship program, Yet another was 20 at AE he grew up flying little cesnas at home in Alaska. Young doesn't mean they haven't been flying for years.

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