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A3XX Launched! (it's Finally Official)  
User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17927 times:

Dear aviation fans,

we can now look forward to see one of the greatest aircraft ever designed in service from 2005 on! A great day for aviation!

EADS and BAe Systems in Paris today (Friday morning)announced that the Airbus A3XX will be build and that firm orders can be signed now.

The A3XX final assembly will be in Toulouse, Hamburg will do the interior and the paint-job.

Well, did somebody say "the A3XX will never fly"?    

Anybody wants to guess which airline will be the launch customer??

a happy WorldTraveller 

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User currently offlineNchua64 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Well, SIA and Emirates are the potential buyers of the A3XX so...

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Here is a press release taken from Yahoo News:



"Airbus Launches Superjumbo

PARIS (Reuters) - Partners in European planemaker Airbus Industrie gave the group the go-ahead to offer its superjumbo A3XX airplane to airlines on Friday and said they had struck a landmark deal to turn the consortium into a corporation.

After years of struggling to transform Airbus and get the 555-seat double-decker aircraft off the ground, the partners effectively accomplished both feats in one fell swoop.

``This is an historic day for Airbus,'' EADS co-chief executive Philippe Camus said. ``Our landmark agreement and the authorization to offer for the A3XX are tremendous news for the European aerospace industry.''

The A3XX, which is scheduled to be launched formally by the end of the year once Airbus has signed firm contracts with airlines, is designed to end arch-rival Boeing's monopoly of the large aircraft market.

The long-distance plane will be able to fly 15,000 km non-stop, traveling from Sydney to Los Angeles without needing to refuel.

``Construction will be launched at the end of the year 2000. We already have very very good indications...we already have close to eight airline companies interested and more than 50 planes practically ordered,'' Camus said in an interview with France 2 television.

``The first delivery will be at the end of 2005...the first passengers will be able to use the 3XX at the end of 2005.''

He said the launch of the new plane would involve 160,000 workers in Europe, creating an estimated 40,000 to 50,000 new jobs.

The transformation of Airbus into what will be called the Airbus Integrated Company (AIC) is expected to create annual cost savings of roughly 350 million euros by 2004, making the group a more efficient competitor.

The merger of three of the Toulouse-based consortium's four members -- Aerospatiale Matra, DaimlerChrysler Aerospace and Spain's Casa -- to form the European Aeronautics, Defense and Space Company (EADS) paved the way for both announcements.

After months of talks EADS, which starts a public share offering on Friday and lists on the Paris and Frankfurt stock markets on July 10, struck a deal with 20 percent Airbus shareholder BAE Systems Plc to bring Airbus under the EADS umbrella.

Under the deal, BAE will retain its stake and have a say in strategic decisions. Physical assembly of the A3XX will take place in Toulouse, France, while interior furnishing and customization will be done in Hamburg."

End quote.

the WorldTraveller

User currently offlineAmir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

HI Worldtraveller,

Are you sure about this? what i heared in the news (2 hours ago) is that they advised a date where they will give the final desicion for this. So according to this, the launch confirmation is not given yet.

thanks/best rgds

User currently offlineCstarU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

It's been Authorized To Offer (to airlines), not launched. When there are enough signed firm orders then it will be formally launched.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Well, today (friday, 23 June 2000) at 8.00 AM, I saw an interview with P. Camus, where he confirmed these news.


You can find more about Airbus at

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User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Well, the news are correct Amir, go to Yahoo News or ftd.de/ft.com to see it!

There are actually different "launches":

A commercial launch is what has taken place today (ATO).

The industrial launch will probably take place by the end of this year when Airbus has enough firm orders to begin production of this plane.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

the WorldTraveller

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

I just visited Airbus' website and they've have updated it very nicely with the A3XX and the launch news!

Have a look if you want:


"Airbus A3XX, even closer than you thought."
Nice slogan, isn't it?  

the WorldTraveller

User currently offlineAb.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

I think that Delta will be the first US-carrier to put the A3XX in passenger-service. Yesterday evening there were CEO´s from Delta and Air France sitting together at a cnn-business show and announcing their new alliance.
And since Air-France get´s the A3XX, I am pretty shure that Delta wouldn´t stay behind them.

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Hi Ab.400, I'm sure I made your day with my post, right?  

I doubt that Delta has a need for the A3XX or the 747X, and since they nearly have an exclusivity deal with Boeing, they would go 747X if you ask me.

I think there will be several launch customers for the passenger A3XX like SIA, Air France, Emirates, Virgin, Malaysian (?), Cathay (?), BA (??)..., but I'm pretty sure that SIA will get the first aircraft for publicity reasons.
With that new aircraft and new levels of comfort they would be "the airline even other airlines talk about" again.

What about the chances that LH and BA order the A3XX?

I think they could get the A3XX from 2007 on when they are free delivery positions available (assuming that the launch customers would get about 60 aircraft).

Would be nice to hear your comments (and Udo, where are you?).  

the WorldTraveller

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Boeings decision to launch the B747X is another way to say, that Airbus was right. So much for my dumb part of the message.

Anyway, LH could be likely a future customer of the A3XX, as they have been quoted different times saying, that they are very interested in the A3XX, but not now. Perhaps 2007 could be right.

As for BA, I doubt a little bit. Somehow I don't see BA going for the A3XX. They are increasing their number of B777 in favour of the B747-fleet already.


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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5615 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7068 times:
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Hi all

Anyone have any thoughts on FedEx using a cargo version?


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Hey Pandora, why is it sad to see two great aircraft fly in the near future?

If it was not for innovation or competition we would still cross the ocean in a DC-8 or 707.

Come on, open your eyes to the business world......and don't worry, Boeing will continue to produce exellent aircraft.

The only thing Airbus did is break their monopoly in the 400+ seat market where they could sell the 747 at high prices.
Airlines don't like being dependable on only one manufacturer (choice is everything), and now they can choose which aircraft suits them best, let it be the 747-400, 747X or the A3XX.

the WorldTraveller

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8657 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7023 times:

I can't wait to go to Toulouse in a few years and watch the first flight of this amazing new aircraft. God bless Airbus for having the vision and the balls to produce this new aircraft.

Is it the A350? I heard Airbus were considering calling it the A2000. Or maybe that's a different product line.

fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlinePH-BZA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7024 times:

I read from Newsweek or Time several weeks ago that if Airbus follows its naming system, the A3XX may in the end be dubbed the A350.

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7000 times:

Actually Gerardo, the business cases for the 747X and A3XX are very different. Boeing will not offer nor launch a NLA for $12 Billion or more but instead will invest up to $4 Billion on a 747X. Airbus has no aircraft upon which to build so they are incurring huge up front costs which have grown from an estimated $8 Billion (2 years ago, which was a joke) up to $12 Billion, and now they admit $12.5 Billion. The A3XX will be great to see, but you won't see Boeing doing the same thing. Just yesterday, an aviation analyst said the business case for the A3XX (due to it's huge cost) is likely poor, whereas for less than 1/3 of the investment, Boeing will have a comparable product (seat mile costs, payload) up to 530 seats (3 class) for much less per unit. It is a very interesting battle.

User currently offlineAb.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6997 times:

WorldTraveller, if Delta it that deep into Boeing it will probably not break because of the A3XX. Schade eigentlich....  
But this rumor appeared on the forum before, maybe was just a fake.
But shurely a great day in aviation. Even in the radio-news it´s a big deal. I didn´t expect that much publicity about a new plane.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6994 times:

Hi WorldTraveller,
here I am!

I'm of course very happy to hear the official and final announcement that the A3XX will be built. It will break Boeing's monopoly which has been existing long enough. The positive aspect is that competition will be present on the 400+ market which has not been the case so far. The A3XX lauch will provoke Boeing to build a B747NG which will be an excellent aircraft as well. Nobody can say at this early point of time which design will catch more orders but we will see a good competition which is good for anyone.
Why is Boeing's B777 such a great aircraft? And why do their B737NGs such a good job? Because Boeing had to work hard on them to compete with Airbus's A340/330 and A320 which took many orders away from Boeing. Airbus provoked and Boeing reacted strongly. No Airbus reacts to the B777's success again with the new A340 derivates, and maybe with a NG of the A320 (would be nice). Who knows, but that is competition and that is what will happen on the 400+ market. I'm really looking forward to that! Why do still some people ignore the great effects of competition?

Let's come to the possible customers for the A3XX: Emirates is in, great. SIA and Cathay may follow, as well as Air Ffrance. FedEx has already expressed its need for a new large cargo plane, so why not FedEx ordering the A3XXF?
LH's chairman Weber expressed that he won't get around the A3XX somewhen in 2007/2008. And BA, well quite difficult. But why not? There will always be high density routes in their network which don't allow a quick increase of frequencies.

And for all opponents (of a new large aircraft in general): I've been on a CX flight from HKG to LHR just two months ago. The B744 was full like hell, not even one single seat was empty. I talked to the pilots in the cockpit and they told me that CX is confronted with a high increase of passengers on any part of their network. The HKG-LHR route is affected much more than others. Their planes were full for weeks in advance, and even some CX pilots based in LHR had big trouble to get to get back from HKG due to the high load factors. Don't forget CX is not alone on that sector. BA flies twice daily, and Virgin flies once daily. Five nonstops every day in each direction, most of them operated by B744. Today such a B744 carries around 400 passengers in three classes, so if the growth rates of the last years go on (and they will as it seems), 550 seats can easily be filled in 2005...
But yes, we know, there will be new hubs, more frequencies and so on. YES, that will happen (I agree with you DLX!!!), but that doesn't mean there will be no need for a new extra large airctaft. I'm deadly convinced about that and I'm already looking forward to hear the reaction of all those people who still try to talk the A3XX (or the need for a new extra large airctaft in general) to dead.

I hope to find serious thoughts and posts when I come back but I fear some fools will show us their great range of unlogic thinking again as usual...


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11589 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6972 times:

I think both companies made the right decision for good business results in the future. Why are many people so sceptical of Airbus not making a profit on their "big baby"? This is an investment into the future.

Without a Superjumbo Airbus will most likely never have the capability to surpass Boeing because they would not compete with them in the most prestigious class.
Traffic grows, by 2010 around twice as much people will be travelling by air as today. And a "big piece of the cake" will be going from Metropolis A to Metropolis B - not because people are forced to fly hub to hub, but because they want to go London- New York, because they want to go Frankfurt-Tokio.
Huge cities attract a good deal of all travellers, slots will be limited, so only the aircraft-size is variable for serious growth.
Therefore after 2010 I see a real boom in the Superjumbo-market - because (unless there is a new energy-crisis) there´s no other way.

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5615 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7032 times:
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Hi all

At lunchtime there was a small interview on the BBC News with Richard Branson about Virgin's interest in the A3XX

He mentioned, amongst other things, that the aircraft will keep the fares down for the passengers and that it will be fuel efficient and start a new era in air travel.

It will be good to see Virgin's Big Silver Bird at Heathrow  


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8657 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6961 times:

Whhoooooaaaaarrrrr!! An A350 (easier to type than "A3XX") will look very sexy in Virgin's metallic paint!

And, DL will never operate the A350. Ain't gonna happen, since they're so tied into Boeing.

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User currently offlineAb.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6961 times:

I also think that one could expect positive effect for the environment . More people and cargo will be travelling with less fuel, due to the newest technologies used.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Navion: Airbus had indeed to invest $ 12bio, because they had no base so far. Boeing can easily take the 30 year old B747 and invest some $ 4bio to upgrade it for the 5th time. But what do they get for this investments?

Airbus gets a platform, which can easily last for decades, with lots of possibilities to upgrade the first A3XX and build a whole family. Boeing will get a 35 year old plattform, which sooner or later will have to replaced by a completely new design. And I wonder, how much Boeing will have to invest in 10 or 20 years to improve this bird once again or to develop something completely new.


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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

As a fan and admirer of aircraft, I look forward to watching this leviathan take its maiden flight.

I don't we'll see a lot of A3xxs in the US for a while, not because of anmy "pro Boeing" sentiment on the part of the airlines, but because load factors won't justify the type's use very often. This plane has "Asia" written all over it.

It would be nice though, if the a3xx's immense capacity would be used by the airlines to lower seat/mile costs and drive arfares down, but it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.

One thing: Boeing did not have a "monopoly" on 400+ seat aircraft. They were simply the only company to build them. Huge difference.

"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineBOS-CDG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (15 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

It has nothing to do with the announcement of the A3XX but I'm relocating and flying tonight to Toulouse....Bye bye Boston, hello Toulouse...I will enjoy again the flight tests on top of my head and will have plenty of time to get ready for 2004-2005....


25 Navion : Gerardo, I agree with some of your points but not the 35 year old aircraft point. First of all, the engines, avionics, interiors, materials, systems,
26 Granite : Hi all With the new wing being built I take it there will be no need for winglets? Or will there? Regards Gary
27 Fanofjets : Although I was initially skeptical of Airbus's plans, over the past 6-12 months I have been thinking that the launch of the "super jumbo" was simply a
28 WorldTraveller : Hi Gary, early drawings and models of the A3XX had no winglets on them, but now it seems that the plane will get A320 family-like winglets. I think th
29 WorldTraveller : More details have surfaced after the A3XX launch: Final assembly will be in Toulouse, interior outfittings, paint-job and customer outfitting in Hambu
30 Post contains links TWFirst : Here's another link to a news story about the launch: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/travel/DailyNews/airbus000623.html
31 DenverJet : For a while Airbus had two renderings of the A3XX in the Emirates and SIA liveries (very nice I might add) on its website. Those pix had winglets and
32 Teahan : If Aerodynamics had the last say in the A3XX, the wings would be 83 Metres and not 79.5! I read that in a French Magasine last year. Jeremiah Teahan
33 Sabenapilot : BRAVO! In a few years we will be able to say farewell to past century technology in the good old B747 and welcome the A350, a brandnew plane for a new
34 Sabenapilot : Boeing is just talking nonsense AGAIN - - around 1970 Boeing said there was no market for intercontinental twins like the A300, but after the succes o
35 Wingman : Beware the rosy projections of profitability from Airbus on the A3XX. Not a single aerospace analyst agrees with them. Read the Reuters byline from th
36 D L X : Udo, you can't agree with me that fracturing puts market pressure towards smaller jets and then say that the 3XX (whatever it ends up being called) wi
37 BOS-CDG : 79.5m wings instead of 83 ? One requirement expressed by airports potentially receiving the aircraft (CDG,LHR,JFK,Changi...) was to fit the A3XX in a
38 We're Nuts : Sabenapilot, you make me sick. I have lost all respect for you. It's kind of funny, before, I had nothing against Sabena, but now, listening to you, I
39 Sabenapilot : Remember what Airbus' strategy is: COMMONALITY. The A3XX is a new stepstone in this strategy. Now there is ever less reason for a company not to go to
40 Sabenapilot : "we're nuts" I'm sorry if I make you sick, but what is it then that makes you sick about my mail? I mean, didn't Boeing say all those things about Air
41 Gerardo : Wingman: Hold back those horses! There are many analysts which think, the A3XX will be a success. The last analysis from a neutral analyst I read poin
42 Ben88 : I agree with Sabena. The A3XX will be a technological marvel, as is the Boeing 777. Yes, older designs have proven themselves over the years, but to s
43 Hamlet69 : Sabenapilot, I don't want to sound too 'pro-Boeing' here, but just a few comments: Wasn't it Airbus who said that past 5000nm, 4 engines are better th
44 Marair : You are all forgeting that the 747-500/600 and A3XX are not going to be in the same class. 747-500/600 will compete with the A340-400/500. Boeing has
45 N-156F : Good for Airbus! They've finally gotten the balls to take on an ultra-massive project, and are out to revolutionize the aircraft industry. Boeing will
46 Magyar : This whole A3X X vs B747X debate is BS. Nobody on this list (and on the orders list, which is more professional!) foresaw the commercial launch of A3
47 Post contains images Ab.400 : Hi, WorldTraveller, you asked where in England the wings would be produced. I heard on BFBS-radio today that the current plant is in Wales (don´t kno
48 Ab.400 : Magyar, Teahan did a post some days ago which announced the launch for today.
49 Cwapilot : Exactly...there is much more to it than we are privy to. Today's announcement, rather than a Farnborough announcement which would have been expected,
50 Ab.400 : Today was also the day where you can start to set orders for the upcoming EADS-stocks. That announcement might be a push for the first value of those.
51 Post contains images WorldTraveller : Hi Ab.400, so your favourite plane would be the A330-200?? BAe is not part of EADS but they have a 20% stake in AIC (Airbus Integrated Company). Anyon
52 Post contains images Ab.400 : Maybe some stock´s. But to keep them for a long-term view. My favorite is the A340 in LH-fleet . Since no more L-1011 are around in Germany.
53 Post contains images RayChuang : Now that Airbus has more or less given the go-ahead for what will become the A350, here's an interesting question we need to ask: will we see one of t
54 Sammyk : Sabenapilot, the 747-400 is 'just' as much a modified 747-100 as the A330/340 is 'just' a modified A300. Sammy
55 We're Nuts : You don't think his narrow-minded views of everything American is a tiny bit prejudice? Or his intolerance of Boeing's great aircraft? Frankly, I'm si
56 D L X : or any other alliance really. Although this really wouldn't be good for Airbus, I wonder about the possibility of airlines in alliances to share a 3XX
57 Ab.400 : DLX, I guess that Airbus will give away 20-30 A3XX for free to AA to get access to the North-American market. Of course the other US-airlines would be
58 Post contains images D L X : I guess you didn't like the facts when I showed them to you before. Still don't believe me? Oh well. I doubt that Airbus would be so foolish a second
59 Ab.400 : Whoose fact`s ?
60 United_Rulz : If US Airways cant mergered with United, do anyone think that they ll purchased some A3XX??
61 Navion : How good looking is an A350 gonna be in Virgin's new livery? I really like the new colors and it's going to be great. We know there's gonna be (eventu
62 Brian Sklarski : *Sigh*. The A3XX has *not* been lauched. Airbus said that they will go with the project *ONLY* if they can get the orders. At THIS time, they only hav
63 Tom in NO : I agree with LHMark. This aircraft has "ASIA" written all over it. 1) not needed in US domestically, and probably not internationally. US airports do
64 USAirwys4Lyfe : I haven't had a chance to read all of the posts yet, but here's a thought-- What happens if (and when) the A3XX crashes? 600 pax down the chute?? That
65 We're Nuts : I strongly agree with you USAirwys4Lyfe. That is one of the main reasons I have opposed this aircraft. Let's say, we had an A3XX similair as full as J
66 Ben88 : Another great example of horrible vocabulary. Murder involves an intent to kill. Are you saying that Airbus is intentionally designing a plane that wi
67 Dnalor : Check out the seating capacity on JAL's 747SR, I think its something like 614 from memory, I have personally flown on these aricraft and the boarding
68 Robin27 : We're Nuts , Any aviation fatalities greater than zero are tragic. In view of all the fatalities on board Boeing, Lockheed or MD aircraft over the yea
69 WorldTraveller : This "what if an A3XX crashes" seems to be the last and most ridiculous argument of the opponents of this plane. What if a Boeing 747x crashes?? It se
70 Sabenapilot : The evacuation tests have already been conducted and the A3XX more then meets the international requirement to evacuate all persons on board in 90 sec
71 Na : To talk about horrible scenarios to search for the "last arguments" against the A3XX is pure bs. Using more A3XXs instead of halfsize planes like the
72 Granite : Hi all Watch for news of an order from FedEx !!! I think the wings are going to be manufactured in Wales. If this is the case, would they be transport
73 D L X : Read the subject. Planes occasionally crash, and it is hard to deal with. BUT, the chances of someone being killed in a 3XX or any other jet is so min
74 AirT85 : Hehe! I have to agree about the size thing. If an A-3XX were to crash like PanAm103 did, you would lose the equivalent to a small town plus the small
75 D L X : I've told you before one place you can find the facts. Have you read Hard Landing yet? Or, are you just guessing? Please do your research, it isn't th
76 Ab.400 : I haven´t read or even heard about Hard Landing. So he is the Fact-authority for aviation-business ? I don´t believe for a second that Airbus would
77 D L X : You want to move this to another thread? That's fine by me. I'll join you there. I should also note that I never said AA was given planes. EA was give
78 Ab.400 : May I qoute you ? " In fact AA didn´t want those ( A300 ), but who is turning away free jet´s ? )
79 Cwapilot : There seem to be two arguments here: 1. A3XX will make the skies safer due to fewer aircraft in the sky 2. A3XX will cause major catastrophies of epic
80 Virgin Express : Another unaesthetic European creation is born : the A3XX. Remember 30 years ago : almost a same situation when the Concorde appeared. Big expectations
81 Ftam767 : Well I sure hope Boeing builds something BETTER than that, because Boeing is the BEST AIRPLANE COMPANY!!! Hopefully when Boeing comes out with the 787
82 Post contains images Mish1234 : Listen.. Im sure this aircraft will be great. Many airlines will order this aircraft and will put Boeing in a bad spot. This aircraft will take all Bo
83 MikeBirdMan : So, now that it's been launched and they're going to build it, why aren't they calling it the A350? The "X" designation is only used for experimental
84 MikeBirdMan : AB.400 writes: I think that Delta will be the first US-carrier to put the A3XX in passenger-service. Yesterday evening there were CEO´s from Delta an
85 MikeBirdMan : WorldTraveller wrote: ------------------------------- BTW, do you know where in Great Britain the assemble the wings and how they are supposed to get
86 MikeBirdMan : Sabenapilot wrote: ------------------------------- Boeing is just talking nonsense AGAIN - - in the beginning of the 1990s there was no need for smal
87 WorldTraveller : Hi MikeBirdMan, I don't think the A3XX wing would fit through the channel tunnel, and even if it would they would probably not allow it for safety rea
88 Feesimple : it's been launched by Emirates, with interest from Virgin Atlantic and a few others. British Airways haven't said anything, and Northwest have said de
89 Robin27 : The wings will probably be made at Chester along with existing Airbus wings.If they are not to long, they will be transported as other wing sets are,
90 Ab.400 : MikeBirdMan, you asked how it would come that Delta suddenly buys A3XX. Since they won´t appear before 2005, don´t you think that things like the al
91 RayChuang : The wing size of the A350 will decide how the thing will be transported. Now, if the A350's wings can be pre-assembled in large pieces at BAE's manufa
92 Granite : Hi I hope they give the Chunnel a miss and transport it by air. regards Gary Administrator
93 Post contains images Granite : Hi all Thanks guys for keeping this post civil with no arguments and fighting. It makes my job as administrator easier It's a long way away, but Airli
94 Highflyerchris : Hi Everyone! I am very happy to see that the A3XX will go ahead and that it will hopefully be seen in the liveries of some of the greatest airlines in
95 Granite : Hi all Yes it will be restricted due to the large number of passengers. Depending on the operators and the airports used for the flights. Heathrow, Ne
96 Post contains links and images WorldTraveller : Hi everybody, nice to see that the A3XX launch draws so much interest (the Administrators even set up a link to this topic from the homepage...makes m
97 CAPRICORN : It is really great! But what about safety?
98 Na : Oh well, the Cargolifter. That would be a nice solution for wing-transport. I´m really exited to see this new "Zeppelin" (Blimp). An interesting side
99 Julien.M : Singapore Airlines Air France Emirates Federal Express and it's all I know. Maybe British AW..., Lufthansa, Swissair? ...hope to see it soon!!! Julien
100 Post contains images Turbulence : Hi all! There would be a lot to posts to answer to, but there are a lot, and many of them have already been answered. So i'll stick only to two subjec
101 Hamlet69 : Turbulence, Actually, I must admit I was exaggerating a little bit. Sorry. I'm glad to hear someone (for once) say something I've believed for a while
102 Christel : Virgin Atlantic Airways is the world best airline ever!!! I just looooove flying with VS. they have very good service and comfortable airplanes like b
103 JRodriguez136 : It is good that the A3XX is finally going to fly. Also by doing this the A3XX will be the biggest, goodest thing that there is in the history of Avia
104 FDXmech : Airliners magazine in an article about Singapore Airlines made mention that the A3XX was expected to become the..... A380.....Anyone else hear this? I
105 CstarU : ...That's what it said--A380. I think Airbus will never use the designation A360 for obvious reasons...This is hearsay, but some airline employees wou
106 VirginA340 : I hope to be seeing the A3XX fly out of JFK and EWR in the colors of UA, VS, and other airlines.
107 Post contains images Ab.400 : CstarU, for returning a 180 degree turn would make more sense than 360 degrees....
108 Post contains images CstarU : I know, that's why I wrote "circle turn". A circle is 360 degrees isn't it? Off topic, check the latest on Typical German? topic on the non-av forum.
109 Markmia : I feel that everything that I have read about the A3XX is garbage. everyone is fighting like children. I am a very big fan of Boeing, but I have to ad
110 Bacardi182 : should we expect coach class sleeper seats?
111 Tupolev154B2 : In Newsweek it said that it might be dubbed the A350 if Airbus continues stays with its designation system.
112 Post contains images 767orMD11 : I think I know that BA wants A3XX, I know that one or two airlines will make their A3xx arrive at (C)YYZ... I think one is BA.....
113 JRodriguez136 : For what was said in the Aviation News, Quantas Airlines wants to be the first Airline to buy the A3XX... let's see what happens...
114 Southern : Hi, im just a kid so i guess i'm just voicing my personal opinion on the A3XX. I have flown a bit now on mainly B747, B737, A320, B767 etc. internatio
115 Post contains images XQF : Thank god Boeing didnt listen to that type of reasoning 21 years ago when the 747 took to the air. This is exactly the same concerns that would have b
116 Manuelab : Even if the A3XX gets off the ground...the economic possibilities of it being successful are very marginal. We may only see as many A3xx as fingers on
117 Post contains images Turbulence : Manuelab: I do not think that "private" or "subsidized" make a difference in quality or safety in the air. As can be seen, Airbus is not having more a
118 WMUBronco : As Airbus builds the A3xx, which i hope they do although it does look unprofitable, Boeing will be far ahead. Boeing will build thier 747-400X, which
119 WMUBronco : As Airbus builds the A3xx, which i hope they do although it does look unprofitable, Boeing will be far ahead. Boeing will build thier 747-400X, which
120 Unitedpilot : That is really neat! I think now that Airbus is in the process of making a bigger jet, Boeing will have to make something better to compete and out do
121 Ibrahim 2 : I am happy about that. When I grow up, I want to fly on that plane, but only the one operated by Emirates Airline. But, I don't think they should add
122 TX2000 : Emirates and Laufthansa
123 Jonnyboy : Sorry for getting in on this topic so quick, and I couldnt be bothered to read ALL the posts, but to clear up a few issuses for ya: -British Aerospace
124 Mokos : The A3XX has not flown yet, and it still may never. It would be very nice to see it in our skies though, but competition is needed and boeing should
125 ScottysAir : So, the Airbus A3XX it will be launches fly on Air France from CDG to MIA and that I can't wait to see it and see how bigger planes it is. I am sure t
126 Paja79 : Just a quick reminder... Qantas has already ordered 5 new a3xxx and they are to be launched in 2005. just a correction in regards the first message...
127 Joni : Paja79, where did you hear Qantas had placed orders for A3XX? Qantas's and Airbus's websites don'e mention this, and I think they would. IIRC Qantas
128 Tim : Qantas has not yet placed order's for the A3XX. But are tipped to do so soon. As a Australian and Qantas lover nothing would be better than seeing a A
129 Post contains images ILUV767 : I would love to see an A3XX flying! Heck, I would love to be on one! But, its not cost effective to operate those along with 747s, 777, A340s, A330s,
130 Joni : I don't think United would only buy three A3xx if they'll end up buying. They wanted a 600+ seater already in the beginning of the 1990s. Whereas A3x
131 RayChuang : The big question in regards to United right now is whether they will order the A3XX or order the proposed 747X-Stretch. If UA orders the A3XX, it's li
132 Joni : JAL, I think, is likelier to buy 747x than A3xx. IIRC JAL actually left the A3xx design team, and with the deep level of cooperation and military pre
133 Verntheman : boeing RULES!!! Why are we wasting our time with this. I have been flying for years and have flown the atlantic on an average of five times per year.
134 Patches : I like the way you think vertheman, but I still think boeing is going to have answer with a streacthed version of the 747. It sounds like airbus is ge
135 Boeing747-400 : 747 is the best! That's all I can say. Rgds, B744
136 Post contains images Trvlr : Military presence in Japan?!?!?! "This just in...U.S. forces based at several other key points in Japan have stormed Haneda airport and brought all op
137 Post contains images Delta777-XXX : I think that airbus will just call this plane the A3XX and not replace the XX with any numbers. also... you are crazy if you think Delta will get an A
138 Widebody : ....talking to one of the A3XX lads today, he said leaving it as A3XX is the favoured option at the moment......its too well known to change it....
139 Post contains images C-gagn : great! This is an excelent day. Boeing watch your back..... oh wait a minute, Airbus has already surpassed you, so watch as they pull away This should
140 Airsicknessbag : I think the A350 will be quite popular with Arabian Sheikhs, Emirs and Kings, as welll as other heads of states: THE opportunity to show off a better
141 WorldTraveller : Well, nice to see that this aircraft still sparks interesting debates, although it's been pretty quite on the orders side lately. I think at least SIA
142 Saluki777 : I think that the A3XX will fly. People say that it is too big & clumsy, and I did feel that way too, but my dad said that back in the 1960's when Boei
143 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : Airbus has surpassed Boeing, eh? Please explain yourself. You make no sense at all. Airbus is ahead of Boeing just because they designed the most ugly
144 Perriwinkle : In the end, it'll take years to determine the true winner in the widebodied market. Airbus may seem ahead now but I'm sure many of you recall how many
145 C-GAGN : Airbus is ahead of Boeing in sales. Thats what I am refering too. Airbus has momentum. Comercial pilots aren't usualy ignorant, so I supose you're jus
146 Boeing747-400 : Airbus is way behind in sales this year. Airbus: 262 Boeing: 398 Go to the topic called, "Boeing/Airbus Orders Updated" and look at some of the last p
147 NorthStarDC4M : well geez people... i guess we gotta think about what people were saying about 747 in 1967/68/69 and apply it to the A3XX "it TOO big to fly" riiiiiii
148 Post contains images Fly-By-Pilot : woohoo
149 Joni : This year is not yet complete. Last year Airbus had 55% of the market and in 1998 they had about 53% of the market. Of course, those were good years
150 Post contains images RIX : 1. "when Boeing was designing the 747, people thought it would never get off the ground. Look where the 747 has gone today.", and other comments like
151 Joni : Are you really saying airlines weren't replacing big planes with smaller ones when 747 was launched? Of course that was going on, and likewise today
152 RIX : What I'm saying is that there was no general tendency to replace big long haul hub-to-hub by smaller long haul point-to-point (that's why, e.g., nobod
153 Kangar : Folks, The way I see it, no matter how much fragmentation occurs, there will always be large population centers between which there will be considerab
154 Post contains images RIX : ... and the question is if there will be enough such "bread and butter routes" to make A3XX a success. Even if current forecasts say "certainly, yes"
155 Post contains images C-GAGN : LOL! Payment for a product! US military contracts serve two functions. They provide the forces with necissary armorments, but they also create jobs an
156 RIX : First, I'm not "Complaining About Airbus Subsidies". I don't care what money and from where Airbus gets - it's a concern of European governments, peop
157 Joni : That depends on how solely you are producing software for the government. Besides, governments have traditionally paid outrageous sums for their mili
158 Post contains images RIX : Sorry, I don't quite understand what is "how solely you are producing software for the government"... Don't know what to answer... About subsidies: 1.
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