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User currently offlineUkkiwibird From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11708 times:

After reading links and past stories about people high on sleeping pills or valium trying to get out for a smoke, i would like to gage some views on smoking on long haul flights.

For some , as we know flying is terrifying for some, and for those who smoke , it must be total torture. Is there now not space on some of these aircraft to put the smokers at the back of the plane , being separated from the rest of the PAX by a curtain.
I would guess fire hazard now due to left butt ends must be smaller than 10/ 15 years agonow that fire retardants are so much better.
What do you people think.??

Ukkiwibird

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11678 times:

The fire hazzard is less of a problem than is the fact that their smoke pollutes the entire airconditioning system for everyone else.

Unless they install a completely sealed off cabin for smokers (so not just a thin curtain but a wall with an airlock) and provide that part of the cabin with a completely independent airconditioning system (independent piping, pumps, filters, etc. etc. etc.) that problem will remain.
For the first 20 years or so of my life all flying was a constant torture of being locked in a room full of cigarette smoke which assaulted my eyes continuously (even being in a 5x5m room in which a cigarette has been smoked half an hour earlier can cause my eyes to seriously hurt if there's poor ventilation, imagine that room being full of smokers for hours at a time).



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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11656 times:
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Well I heard that with some of the airlines that will operate the A380, we are going to see those kind of "rooms" or enclosed space, where you will be able to smoke.

There will be a dedicated/separate environmental control system ducting I would guess, possibly with filters.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

Why should non smokers suffer for the enjoyment of smokers? It is not like the non smokers would be able to escape from the smoking, now is it? Also what about the workers who would be exposed to the smoking, what about there health and well being.


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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11624 times:

I think Aerolineas Argentinas still allows smoking... Or at least they did within the last few years. They allowed it after departing US airspace.

Another thing for smokers to consider is using smokeless tobacco when flying. A lot less damaging to others' health.


User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11587 times:

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 4):

Another thing for smokers to consider is using smokeless tobacco when flying. A lot less damaging to others' health

It's not the same, as a smoker, I smoke because I like to smoke, not to chew tobacco or whatnot. I think that's a no go.

Also as a smoker, it would suck to sit in a smoke filled tube for a long ten hour flight. So having smoking on flights the way it used to be is no bueno.

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 2):
Well I heard that with some of the airlines that will operate the A380, we are going to see those kind of "rooms" or enclosed space, where you will be able to smoke.

The most logical idea to solve the issue. We shall see if the idea develops. My guess is that if such a service was avialable, the airlines would charge extra for a "pass" for the flight to get into the smoking room. I am assuming that they would not set up a dedicated smoking cabin.


User currently offlinePixuk From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

It is an ironic fact that the air quality on board planes is now worse than it was when smoking was allowed since far less fresh oxygen is pumped into the cabin, and airlines save money by simply re-circulating the air.

Whilst you're less at risk from second-hand smoke, your chances of catching a serious disease like TB has increased.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/forum/1524501.stm


User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

What is a smokeless tobacco ?
I think that at least airports should have a smoking room for smokers to have cigarettes before they get on the aircraft for long haul destinations, after immigration etc. of course ! The idea that one can have a cigarette before spending 12 to 14 hours not being able to do so should lessen the stress considerably...for smokers.
I know that in some airports, it is all non smoking except for areas in first or business lounges ! thats not fair to the Y pax I think.
AF used to have an enclosed area for smokers on their planes...dont know why they got rid of it. Though I supposed it was still smelly for the person sitting just next to the area.
Lots of smokers like to fly non smoking? according to surveys ....


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

I think Biman Bangladesh also allows smoking still.

I was talking to a friend the other day and we both agreed that we couldn't imagine the old days when people had to sit in the plane amongst all the cig smoke...but then I thought back and realized that A LOT more people smoked in those days, there were less people on the flights, and not a lot of people were aware just how bad it was...it was a "smoke friendly" atmosphere and I'm sure the people that thought it was disgusting were in the minority at that time.

I am a light smoker and I can go days or even weeks without a smoke and I really couldn't care less, so not that much of a problem for me...

-IR


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11544 times:

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
AF used to have an enclosed area for smokers on their planes...

That was a brilliant idea!!! I saw these things on a flight to SFO but they were unfortunately closed.

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
dont know why they got rid of it.

I think they decided to put 6 seats (which bring money) into the plane instead these smoking bars/lounges.

Patrick


User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11435 times:

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 5):
It's not the same, as a smoker, I smoke because I like to smoke, not to chew tobacco or whatnot. I think that's a no go.

I know it is not the same. I myself am a social smoker, and cannot stand the taste of dip, but for those who are nicotine addicted and need their fix, it may be a viable alternative.


User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11428 times:

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
What is a smokeless tobacco ?

Smokeless tobacco is items such as dip (aka snuff) or chewing tobacco. Both are extremely popular in the southern and western United States.

http://www.ussmokeless.com/


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11402 times:

Smoking areas can be placed next to outflow valves....a only a small amount of bleed air would be needed to get the air moving towards the valve, keeping all the non-smokers (and smokers) happy.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

I think the smoking issue has as much to do with having breathable, quality air for the customers and crew to breathe.

In the days of smoking there were rarely fire incidents relating to smoking.

It was a great day when Northwest banned smoking on flights.



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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

There is a huge lawsuit in Miami filed by F/As who say they have health problems caused by years of exposure to second-hand smoke.

Quoting Pixuk (Reply 6):
It is an ironic fact that the air quality on board planes is now worse than it was when smoking was allowed since far less fresh oxygen is pumped into the cabin, and airlines save money by simply re-circulating the air.

My understanding as well..not all "air packs" that could be operated are..to save fuel and money.

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 4):
Another thing for smokers to consider is using smokeless tobacco when flying. A lot less damaging to others' health.

Have you ever seen the "spit cups" chewers use?
  

I smoke far too much. But if I can survive a trans-Atlantic trip without a cigarette..I think anyone can. If you feel you can't, buy a nicotine patch.
(But I've got to admit I really wanted a cigarette when someone lit up in the lav..smelled good, at least to me. Crew smelled it too..but despite their best efforts..the offender wasn't found. Crew threatened to turn the person over to the FBI on landing...)

TPAnx

[Edited 2005-11-28 01:44:18]


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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

Like resturants, these seats are for smokers. The ones three feet to the right are NON Smoking!! Like the smoke knows its not allowed to cross that line....

No smoking on planes EVER AGAIN!!


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11270 times:

Smokeless tobacco is as discusting a habit as smoking. Who wants to sit next to someone spitting vile brown liquid into a cup for hours on end. Not to mention use of smokeless products are prohibited on many air carriers as it causes additional cleaning expenses and some consider the "juice" corrosive to airplane parts. As to an enclosed room for smokers that would only magnify the stink when they return to sit next to you no thanks. I think smokers on long haul who are nicotine addicted and feel they will "suffer" should plan ahead and bring niccorette, the patch or any of the other products out on the market to aleviate withdrawl symptoms.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 14):
I smoke far too much. But if I can survive a trans-Atlantic trip without a cigarette..I think anyone can. If you feel you can't, buy a nicotine patch.
(But I've got to admit I really wanted a cigarette when someone lit up in the lav..smelled good, at least to me. Crew smelled it too..but despite their best efforts..the offender wasn't found. Crew threatened to turn the person over to the FBI on landing...)

Me too, I smoke way too much. The first non smoking long haul for me was in 1998 EZE-AMS ... 14 hours of torture. Since then however, I got used to the fact that i would never be able to smoke on flights again, and with the exception of after the meals, I am fine with it. besides, the first smoke upon arrival is great! Big grin

I have to admit though that if sealed smoking sectors were to be implemented I would for sure try to get a seat there.

regards



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11248 times:

With the availability of nicotine chewing gum and nicotine patches, there is no excuse for smoking on any flight or in any enclosed public space.

User currently offlineEfohdee From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11178 times:

How about start a "smoking only" airline, where the passengers are all smokers and can enjoy a cigarette or cigar while they travel. Air Marlboro. Ashtray Airways. Sorry it's a boring Sunday night.  Smile

User currently offlineEfohdee From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11176 times:

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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11022 times:

It is not only the molestation of other passenger and the air pollution, it is also the danger of open fire on board. I never understood that this was allowed in the old days. If there was any smoking allowed on a flight I would never ever take this.

User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10973 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Why should non smokers suffer for the enjoyment of smokers?

Agree, but despite some of the comments here I really doubt any smoker enjoys it, except perhaps because it feeds their addiction. I smoked for far to long, from about 12 to 38 and it was a real b*tch to quit - not because I enyoyed it, but because I was hooked.

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
Lots of smokers like to fly non smoking? according to surveys

I remember flying (standby) on SR (remember them) from LAX to ZRH - around 13 hours as I recall. The last row in J was smoking, rest of the cabin was not - and of course I got a seat in smoking. It was OK because the seat beside me was empty. That is until all the smokers who had taken non-smoking seats came back and sat beside me to smoke. There was a parade of them, one after another and at one time there was one in the seat beside me and one standing in the aisle to grab the seat as soon as it was free. When I suggested that they simply switch with me, oh no - they don't want to sit in smoking.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 13):
In the days of smoking there were rarely fire incidents relating to smoking.

Rarely - that is way too many! One is too many!


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

I smoke (far too much). But when flying, even long haul, it doesn't worry me that I can't get my fix. I wouldn't like to see smoking sections re-introduced

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

( I posted this before)

I'v heard that some people out there do indeed smoke on flights and that have not got caught.

Denis Leary (actor) was on Irish National broadcaster RTE (Radio Telifis Eireann) and said he had smoked on an Aer Lingus scheduled flight from Boston (A330) and never got caught. He said that none of the smoke alarms ever work??

Comments.........

Rob  wave 



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25 Pixuk : It's not that simple, and you really don't understand the habit of smoking. It's more than just the nicotine, and those products are designed to only
26 TheSorcerer : LOL personally I wouldn't mind if a smoking room was re-introduced, my parents smoke around me all the time anyway. The only problem I see with smoki
27 SparkingWave : A plane trip is a litmus test. If you can't survive a flight without a smoke, then you have a serious addiction. Period. People who squeal about havin
28 B707Stu : DL has smoking lounges near their gates in ATL for smokers last 'drag' before boarding.
29 Post contains links Bdak : http://ash.org/nosmokair.html shows the airlines that still allow smoking
30 ZRH : Oh boy, this is rubbish. You probably can say such things in your very young age. If you ever saw somebody dying from a lung cancer (I have) you woul
31 Kiwiandrew : Hi SparkingWave while I agree with your views about smoking on board , I have to point out that the SV L1011 on board fire at JED ( which is the one
32 TheSorcerer : Ok i was exagerating a bit, but i still want to die before i have to go into an old folks home. Both my grandparents were in one, i found it very dep
33 Tod : Both Boeing and Flight Structures have existing designs for smoking areas sitting on the shelf. Both of these system incorporate extracting the smoke
34 Kiwiandrew : thanks Tod - I was told this years ago and have never quite been sure whether I was being kidded or not ( the guy who told me was fortunate to have b
35 Post contains images EI747SYDNEY : Can you elaborate a little on this..... Thanks mate Rob
36 Tod : Systems familiarity or idiotic behaviour? I could go on all day about idiots. Unfortunately, it would be inappropriate for me to provide the technica
37 Post contains images Kiwiandrew :
38 ZRH : Ok I understand your point. I only wanted to tell how dangerous passiv smoking is. I don't mind people smoking but I don't want to share. Actually I
39 TheSorcerer : So is my house. I wonder how many years have been taken off my life. Looks like there are very few places that people aren't exposed to passive smoki
40 Undehoulli : Having a no-smoking section in an airplane or restaurant is just like having a no-peeing section in a pool.
41 IAirAllie : It is indeed possible and idiotic because it involves tampering with the smoke detectors. Tampering with smoke detectors is explicitly illegal.
42 Tod : Only true if you fail to install a very agressive extraction/isolation system. It just takes money to design, certify, install and operate a smoking
43 Pixuk : ZRH, this is a thread about smoking onboard, so I don't want to drag this too far off-topic; but the dangers of passive smoking are often used in the
44 Tod : Not always. Tod
45 Bond007 : The bottom line is that however separate a smoking area might be, it would be impossible to keep the smell of smoke away from the non-smoking pax. The
46 Post contains images EI747SYDNEY : No fair Rob
47 LH455 : This list is really outdated! Some of the airlines no longer exist and many of them have banned smoking on all flights even though list says they all
48 Vc10 : Being a person who has stopped smoking rather than a non smoker, I never found not smoking on an aeroplane a problem, but as soon as I got off the air
49 Leskova : No-one is forced to start smoking. Some people consciously decide not to smoke. Why should those who do not smoke have to suffer to alleviate the self
50 EZEIZA : Would you agree however to a separate (and I don't mean a simple curtain, I mean really separate in all ways) section for smokers?
51 Legion242 : I am guesing you could perhaps use the suction from the sink drain to extract smoke from a lav. Though it would be uncomfortable to hunch over the si
52 Freedom4all : Too bad for smokers.....QUIT! everyone breathes the same air on planes, we all shouldn't suck in poisons because a select few chose to
53 Post contains images EZEIZA : Although I agree with all of you that smoking on planes, if it affects the non-smokers should be banned, don't assume that smoking is a choice. Many s
54 474218 : True! The smoke would be forced by the positive pressure inside the cabin through any small openings and cracks. You could see the nicotine streaks o
55 Matt72033 : BS save money by recirculating air?....please explain?!!? lol i think you'll find all "air packs" are used. on the B744 if one pack is shut down the
56 Tockeyhockey : i have a very simple solution to the problem: CHAW!
57 Post contains links Pixuk : Let me repost the link to the BBC story which discusses it; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/forum/1524501.stm
58 Matt72033 : thats crap! Professor Martin Hocking: It has not been possible to give a quantitative statistical answer as to the possible increase in disease transm
59 Post contains images Cgnnrw : Ever see a "spit cup" after it spills over???? Now THAT'S triple !!! This is a good idea. I honestly think there should be more of these areas in all
60 Post contains links Pixuk : So you can admit that there is an increased risk, but because it is not possible at this stage to put an exact figure on the increment, the argument
61 IAirAllie : Nope. I don't believe this can be done with out significant cost to the airlines. I'm not willing to pay more for a ticket so someone can indulge the
62 ZRH : This is simply not true, there IS evidence. There are plenty of studies which prove that passive smoking can almost be as dangerous as smoking itself
63 Nwafflyer : Now, us smokers have rights too -- give us a lounge, or a bar, near both our departure and destination gates please -- Fly into Houston, from SA, and
64 Pixuk : Well, I'm more than willing to read them, but it possible the US reports are based on the discredited EPA report (many are, because the outcome fits
65 Post contains images Bond007 : Unfortunately, those bars that allow smoking are little attractive to anyone but a smoker. I travel to CLT every week, and the bars there are just fi
66 Aleksandar : Or in a stressfull situation like it was in my case. That is something that really hurts me. Being a smoker doesn't mean that I'm a worse person or t
67 Leskova : If there's no more than a 0% chance that I'll be breathing even a milligram of cigarette smoke while on board, and all extra cost that this causes is
68 Post contains images Jafa39 : If allowing smoking would distress the non-smoking majority to the same level as the smokers experience on a non-smoking flight then they (the smokers
69 Post contains images Halophila : Except for smoking, you don't have that dye which goes purple when it detects urine, and does so even if the person gets out of the pool, then gets b
70 Post contains links ANother : From your link Let me post a link to Boeing, which gives us some facts, not speculation on this subject. It's here. Myth, myth, myth, myth.
71 Post contains images MxCtrlr : This statement shows how little technical knowledge you have of the aircraft systems. Smoking in the lavatories is very easily done without tampering
72 Post contains images MxCtrlr : You are referring to the AC DC-9 lost after an emergency landing in CVG. Yes, that was caused by a smoker being a total idiot and dropping a lit ciga
73 Pixuk : There's plenty of scaremongering anecdotal evidence that passive smoking is the root of all evil, but I'm afraid that doesn't convince me. The resear
74 EZEIZA : I beg to disagree. There are many, many people, that choose to try to quit but they just can't. It's an addiction. It gets to a point where your only
75 Leskova : Don't get me wrong - I don't mind smoking in bars, on trains (where, incidentally, it will no longer be permitted soon in Switzerland), I don't mind
76 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : so is heroin - but I don't see airlines catering for junkies
77 Post contains images Bond007 : There is NO way you can get away with smoking in the lav without leaving a smoke smell behind somewhere. One puff of a cigarette, open the lav door,
78 Scallar : Here in Sweden (and in Norway too) it is now prohibited to smoke in bars and restaurants. It works pretty well too, there are almost no complains abou
79 Tod : MxCtrlr is correct. Tod PS - I design commercial aircraft plumbing and ventilation systems.[Edited 2005-11-29 16:17:38]
80 Post contains images Bond007 : Then we'll agree to disagree. I guarantee if I'm sitting outside the lav, and somebody lights up a cigarette and smokes it in the lav - whether they
81 Post contains images Tod : I certainly can't argue that you may smell the cigarette stench on the person unless they are quite clever. Some people permantly smell this way. Cir
82 Post contains images EZEIZA : Until not too long ago people were not aware of the dangers of smoking. It was when the multi million $$ law suits against the ciggarrette companies
83 Boeing747_600 : For anyone that's interested , the way I quit was by gradually (and systematically) reducing the amount I'd inhale until I was exhaling virtually all
84 Bond007 : Oh, it was way, way before that time. It's been printed on packets for years and years. Regardless, the argument isn't really whether it's good or ba
85 ANother : What finally got me to quit was reading of all the tricks and ploys that the cigarette company uses (and used on me) to get kids hooked early, how th
86 EZEIZA : Agree 100%
87 Thepilot : Keep smoking out of all flights. It's a disgusting habit and must not be shared in a confined area with other people, especially children.
88 Post contains images Electech6299 : You are misreading that article. How much cigarette smoke was removed by the ventilation systems then? Even if you say 99.9%, it's still worse air qu
89 Post contains images Tod : Just to nit-pick a wee bit. Recirc is not accomplish by packs, but by simple fan and filter systems usually located below the floor, above the ceilin
90 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : Could you imagine what the arrival area would sound like after these pax deplaned; all that coughing... I feel bad for you as my parents were (and st
91 Electech6299 : Yup, you're right- "packs" is the wrong word here, I was just following along the interview language. OK, so on many aircraft (definitely the 777), t
92 Ozglobal : I predict that in years to come, smoking will be classed with Heroin and other mortal social evils. History will judge us harshly for tolerating for s
93 TPAnx : Out of curiosity--can the cockpit crew smoke on commercial pasenger flights? TPAnx
94 Aa757first : If they want to smoke, OK by me. Just don't make me breath in your smoke. I doubt it. Slightly off topic, but Alaska Airlines won't even hire anyone
95 Scallar : Oh please! Being a bit of an extremist, are we? This is getting way off-topic. So... Smoking on long haul? No. Smoking on any airplane? No. Smoking i
96 Post contains images Tod : Using a 747 main cabin as an example because it's handy. In very rough numbers, at minimum airflow, cabin completely without furnishings, it comes ou
97 IairAllie : Sweetheart, I am very aware of how the aircraft systems work. And I am aware of all the sneaky little tricks. Blowing smoke into the sink or toilet e
98 Electech6299 : Thanks- I was hoping I wouldn't have to dig up references.. One other thing to consider- don't forget the pax. In a building, number of occupants is
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