Firipu From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6878 times:
According to their website http://www.oasis-air.com/en/index.asp it looks like Hong Kong's new long-haul budget carrier is planning to launch flights to London Gatwick in June 2006 - For less than HK$1,000!
Other destinations will be Berlin, Cologne and Milan in Europe, and San Jose and Chicago in the US.
They are also looking at tying up with local budget carriers (Easyjet at Gatwick and Germanwings at Cologne) for feed.
Any thoughts? Do you think long-haul budget airlines will work?
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6861 times:
Quoting Firipu (Thread starter): Do you think long-haul budget airlines will work?
Well, Short Haul budget airlines work and i don't see why Long-Haul ops won't.
It looks as though they are a good airline from the website and that interviews etc.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6784 times:
It was only time till something like this started. Too bad it isn't in Japan. Would love to have it.
The question is how will CX respond. If they plan to serve Chicago, will CX start it as well? Been waiting for that one. I wonder if CX will also start trying to do more direct flights.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6767 times:
Quoting Firipu (Thread starter): Other destinations will be Berlin, Cologne and Milan in Europe, and San Jose and Chicago in the US.
SJC will be interesting...as they will be competing against UA/CX on the HKG-SFO route......that being said, it will be interesting to see what kind of plane they bring into SJC if they decide to do it...
Vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6748 times:
Beware of those low fares, some are just introductory offers, after 6 months to a year, most of them raised fares to more realistic levels, creeping closer to price levels of legacy carriers.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5527 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6638 times:
According to the Oasis Hong Kong Airlines' website, they have applied to fly between HKG and OAK. I didn't see any mention of SJC. Also, it looks like they will be leasing a pair of 747-400's to start.
CrossChecked From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 251 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6279 times:
I really doubt that, without any feeder services or onward connections from HKG, this airline will secure enough traffic to make its' services viable.
AirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6199 times:
This is actually quite old news and I started a thread about it here...
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6085 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6): According to the Oasis Hong Kong Airlines' website, they have applied to fly between HKG and OAK. I didn't see any mention of SJC. Also, it looks like they will be leasing a pair of 747-400's to start.
OAK..wow...would be cool to see a 744 roll down the runway there...!
I think FX's MD-11 or FX's A300's are the largest planes there....certainly nothing the size of an B777/B747/A340........
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5527 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5965 times:
Perhaps I shouldn't be but it surprises me that they didn't apply for LAX or SEA. I guess LAX has too much competition. But SEA doesn't have any service to HKG.
A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5903 times:
Quoting Firipu (Thread starter): Other destinations will be Berlin, Cologne and Milan in Europe, and San Jose and Chicago in the US.
WOW, another longhaul carrier coming to Berlin! A few years ago, Berlin seemed doomed to never have intercontinental service, and now the pace of new connections gets faster and faster.
Quoting Firipu (Thread starter): They are also looking at tying up with local budget carriers (Easyjet at Gatwick and Germanwings at Cologne) for feed
I highly doubt Germanwings since they are approx. 50 % Lufthansa, but contacting EasyJet is a good idea. However, they must not forget to give Air Berlin and DBA a phonecall, too.
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B742 From UK - England, joined Mar 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15): Will they be offering a similar number of technical delays that Phuket Air offered, the last Far Eastern LCC serving LGW?
Don't think so, well hope not! Oasis are to operate the 744 not the 742's and 743's that Phuket Air flew to LGW!
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6): According to the Oasis Hong Kong Airlines' website, they have applied to fly between HKG and OAK. I didn't see any mention of SJC.
I didn't either, I think they choose OAK not SJC!
I hope they decide to start flights to Australia soon after, they could provide a cheap option on the Kangaroo route!
Firipu From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5656 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6): According to the Oasis Hong Kong Airlines' website, they have applied to fly between HKG and OAK. I didn't see any mention of SJC
Yes sorry, Its Oakland and not San Jose.
Quoting N754PR (Reply 7): Oasis have received their license!!
Quoting CPH757 (Reply 17): And will they operate the LGW route daily from day one?
From the article, it seems that they are going for daily LGW first, followed by OAK, but I don't see how they get their average of "only 1 aircraft to operate daily services on any one route" since the flight time is about 12-13 hours to LGW, and some turnover time. Perhaps they are triangulating with another city? Hong Kong-Berlin-London-Hong Kong?
Carfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1727 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5648 times:
But I have to say the Oakland flight sounds very interesting...
About Oasis, I really don't think if the model will work. Fares to Europe is not really that high in economy class now especially with Gulf Air and Emirates and a number of other airlines, who offer full service (despite with a few stops) and very affordable fares.
I really want to see what kind of service is offered! I sort of hope that there will be a "nice" premium economy cabin of some sort, but not counting on it though.
CPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Quoting Firipu (Reply 18): From the article, it seems that they are going for daily LGW first, followed by OAK, but I don't see how they get their average of "only 1 aircraft to operate daily services on any one route" since the flight time is about 12-13 hours to LGW, and some turnover time. Perhaps they are triangulating with another city? Hong Kong-Berlin-London-Hong Kong?
That would be interesting
Teaming up with Germanwings or Easyjet in Berlin, will mean that they are gonna use SXF. Interesting to see a 747 there. And very promising for the Oasis fares, as the SXF taxes are in the low end...
Last flight: SAW-CPH on H9 on 02/11/09 - Next Flights: 23/12/09 CPH-AAL on QI, 30/12/09 CPH-LHR on SK, 19/01/10 CPH-CDG-
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5527 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
Well, we all know that gate 1 can handle a 747. Martinair and People Express used Gate 1 at OAK regularly in the past.
Fokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5508 times:
Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 12): HK$1000 is about £75! That's awesome!
How will they be able to make any profit with such fares? Their average fares will be somewhat higher if they want to make a profit, I think. What occupancy percentage do they have in mind to start with? Must be rather high!
I doubt whether they will manage to team up with some European domestic LCC's, because transfer traffic apparently isn't part of the standard LCC business plan. Too complicated and thus expensive. As fair as I know, the only LCC to have transfer traffic is Air Berlin, maybe they will be interested in teaming up with Oasis Hong Kong Airlines..
But of course I hope they will succeed! Would be nice to fly to HKG for only £75!
[Edited 2005-11-30 21:44:43]
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CPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
I suppose that we have to add taxes to the fares.
I have just booked a CPH-CDG-LAX with AF at £105 excl. taxes, so I guess that it is possible to operate at that level. If £75 is just a deeply discounted fare for a limited number of seats however, it will be no revolution compared to the conventional operators.
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
Well, it does sound like they're gunning for, mostly, O&D traffic to HKG. I think there is a good bit of latent demand. I mean, I know plenty of people personally who've never been to HKG and would die to go if fares are only, say, $300-400 a head. It'll be really interesting to see how they do. It's about time we have some real competition in HKG and it can be really good for tourist traffic.
25 DFORCE1: Why aren't they flying to YVR? I would have thought that YVR would have provided them with a good market, not to mention the recent new air agreement
26 VV701: What is the source for this? It certainly defies the simplicity inherent in LCC operations and bookings. It also conflicts with the following stateme
28 Simpilicity: How many seats r they putting on their 744's? One class or 2? You can jam 620 onto a 743 (accoridng to Boeing website), so presume same with a 744? Wi
29 Wedgetail737: Yeah...no YVR in the plans is surprising too. There are many HK expatriots living in the Vancouver area. Perhaps there's too much capacity between CX
30 Abba: South China Morning Post today says that they will lease two 747-400 - former used by UA and now owned by a bank and parked in a US dessert. Abba
31 Simpilicity: Yes, QF thinks the sun shines out of SYD, so if they could fly into BNE. We would then try & charter then BNE/YVR !!!
32 MarshalN: I think the idea of the tie-up is to have other LCCs that fly regional routes feed into their long international routes. I mean, you can't just rely
33 Centrair: They seem to be tying up with European LCCs. I wonder which one they would tie up with in the US? B6 Maybe we could see a LCC Alliance.
34 Wedgetail737: I'm sure they can get fairly reasonable lease rates on the 747-400's considering that airlines are going for the newer, more fuel efficient, higher ra
36 Wedgetail737: I can't wait to see what their color scheme will be on their 747-400's. This is kind of off the subject, but does anyone know what airplanes Viva Maca
37 BestWestern: Come on guys, we all deep down know that this wont work. LCC carriers are profitable as they abuse their aircraft. Twenty minute turns, short flight t
38 Simpilicity: Best western what have u been smoking? Of course it will work if they keep it simple & keep overheads down. They would dhave got great rates on old U
39 Cloudyapple: Absolutely. Not to forget the per passenger weight on shorthaul is much lower as people dont carry as much baggage over short distances as those long
40 Simpilicity: Cloudyapple what have you been drinking? Of course they will provide meals & charge for toilets, where do u get these silly ideas from. Their major co
41 Cloudyapple: No I havent. Apart from the toilet charge and baggage limit everything else is being done by ryan and easy. I dont see the majors loosing out a lot. L
42 BestWestern: Come off it! Simplicity.... Low lease costs on long haul aircraft... since when? There is a shortage of widebodied aircraft at the moment on the leas
43 A342: I guess you mean MODERN widebody aircraft because 742/3s and L1011s as well as DC-10s are available in big numbers.
44 Cloudyapple: Exactly. Therefore they need to do something ridiculous like asking passengers to help flap the wings to save fuel...
45 BestWestern: Exactly..... Nothing like a warm L1011 eh???? (veteran PPRuners will see the irony in this comment)
46 A388: Does anyone have an artist impression or drawing on how their livery will look like? Looking at their website it will be a very nice one! A388
47 Firipu: Thanks for all your posts and comments! On their website under latest news, you can actually read a scanned pdf copy of the approval of the licences t
48 Wedgetail737: So, Oasis is actually going to fly to OAK and then continue on to ORD?
49 Meerkat: Eh? Airline of the year (Skytrax), and the world's 9th most profitable (The Economist 12th Nov 2005). How on earth do you suppose CX is on its way ou
50 MarshalN: That's what I was wondering too... legacy carrier destined to die a slow painful death? I thought that's US carriers.
51 IRelayer: They must be well financed. An Airline like this would never get off the ground in the US with that type of equipment... -IR
52 MHG: Well, DBA is already working as a feeder for various Airlines! So, using them as a feeder would make sense for Oasis despite the fact that DBA is not
53 Klyk1980: Interesting interesting... But I am wondering why they choose Gatwick but not STN and able to connect with either Easyjet or Air Berlin. I truly under
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