EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9322 times:
Now that there are shiny new 777s on the way, what plans will AC have in store for new routes to Europe. The Toronto - Dublin - Shannon route remains seasonal, is there scope for a year round service? And what are the chances of a Vancouver - Dublin Route?
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9077 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Now that there are shiny new 777s on the way, what plans will AC have in store for new routes to Europe.
I think they are more likely to focus expansion with the new aircraft to Asia first. By and large they are serving most of the Transatlantic routes they would expect decent yields on already. An exception being the long desired Beirut service....
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Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8864 times:
Quoting Cayman (Reply 2): I would think they would look very seriously at re-starting YYZ MAD, especially with their big latin expansion out of YYZ.
I think YYZ MAD did fairly well and query as to whether it was suspended mostly because of a/c shortages at the time. daily 763 again seems reasonable.
I suspect that there might just be sufficient demand for a combined
YYZ-LIS/MAD service if it is getting fed by both TP and JK at the European end as well as AC at the North American end . Not sure if either MAD or LIS on their own could justify year round service - traffic might be there - but I suspect the yields are not .
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CayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8738 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 6): That's a bold assumption. Although MAD remains an entertaining option, it is clear that it is certainly not a priority for AC
Mark I think that is an equally bold assumption nothing is "clear that it is certainly not a priority.". I am aware first hand that AC latin american operations assume that at some point a return of YYz MAD would or will dove tail well with the successful expansion they have had into latin America. I am also told YYZ MAD did fine, it was an a/c shortage that suspended it.
Iberia have looked at YYZ as an expansion city and have not taken it any further on assumption AC will likely resume, just a question of time.
HanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8645 times:
Quoting YULMRS (Reply 8): What about YUL-BRU and YUL-NCE. YUL-BRU was quite successful with Sabena, YUL-NCE looks like a good seasonal option.
Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
An exception being the long desired Beirut service....
This one will be launched ... But, when ?
I agree with YULMRS, YUL-BRU would make a lot of sense.
As for Beirut, that will only commence once the Government approves the route (which it has declined to do so for security reasons).
Quoting CayMan (Reply 9): I am aware first hand that AC latin american operations assume that at some point a return of YYz MAD would or will dove tail well with the successful expansion they have had into latin America. I am also told YYZ MAD did fine, it was an a/c shortage that suspended it.
Agreed, this route would make sense for AC if they really want to increase their market share (and hopefully yield) in Latin America.
ACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8501 times:
Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 11): What I'd like to see is YYZ-AMS becoming a year-round route, instead of a seasonal summer-schedule. Any chance on that?
I would imagine that the current situation is fine with KLM running that route with 744's and AF also sort of edging on that market from Paris. I don't see much of an increase on that one for the time being.
BigD From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8497 times:
I would definitely think the yield is there for daily YOW-FRA service given that a lot of high yielding federal government and high tech employees often route through FRA to destinations throughout Europe, Africa and the Middle East. AC has previously stated its intentions to launch the route. My understanding is that the "delay" has been aircraft availability.
LHZXF From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
I don't know anything about AC expansion plans for the coming year though I do know they're dropping their seasonal GLA service ex YYZ. I think it's the first time AC wont serve direct from Canada in over 20years though I could be wrong about that.
Also I see them moving more towards cargo at the moment than pax routes especially after giving up their combi's.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8434 times:
What about Halifax? From reading about it on the web, it looks like a great city for both biz and pleasure, and the area has half a million people or so living there. Will AC fly more European routes from YHZ? I know Zoom fly to several cities from YHZ, but do you think there is potential for more year round flights, to Rome, Paris etc?
DFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8335 times:
Does anyone know if there is a direct flight from any West Coast North American city to Spain/Portugal? I would be extremely surprised if everyone on the West Coast had to route through an Eastern City or connect in London.
Also, yield vs. traffic? Could someone please explain the difference and perhaps define what is referred to by yield?
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8045 times:
Anyone to know how YYZ-MUC is doing ? If it does well, an A333 could be put on the route.
Also LH had MUC-YVR flights last summer, 3x/week with an A343. They weren´t restarted this summer. Maybe a 762ER could fly this route.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
: Given that over 60% of YOW's O&D traffic is comprised of biz pax, I'd say the yield is there. Big D summed it up nicely as to why exactly.
: The problem with YVR is that the majority of it's traffic is tourist based. That's why in the summer months one sees a large charter burst in YVR. Du
: Halifax may very well be a lovely place to visit but the chances of AC expanding routes from there are slim. There simply is not the demand and the j
: What about a (seasonal) flight to BCN? It could be fed by JK from Spain and TP from Portugal plus they would get most of the cruise traffic in the Med
: Brussels might be a good option although unfortunately I wonder if there would be enough demand! Etihad is already serving the destination from Toront
: As noted in my post above, AC will not fly to Beirut until the Canadian Government allows it to (for security reasons - that won't be solved any time
: I'm sure YWG-LHR will work. Heck, it used to run for about 20 years straight before it was dropped.
: I agree. It ran for years! only problem now might be that at peak hours the terminal is almost at capacity. Since a widebody requires adjacent gates
: That world be an interesting route. I think it could work, because it would get a lot of connecting passengers from Saskatchewan and YEG. That would
: Zoom is going to have a go at it this coming summer, it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
: Zoom has started flights from YWG-LGW, but from what I've seen, the frequency is poor (every other week if I read it correctly) As for AC's new 777's
: I am sure if the 777s were put on the Sydney route, it would cease to stop in HNL. Right? Then AC could just keep using a 767 on YVR-HNL.
: Not a chance. Winnipeg is in relative long-term economic decline. Once Canada's 4th largest city, it is now 8th. YWG also has relatively few HQ's whi
: You've obviously spent little time in Manitoba, specifically YWG. Where are you from again anyhow? It seems to change weekly. I hardly see how Winnip
: You're not listening. YWG used to be Canada's 4th largest city. Now 8th. It has been eclipsed by YYC and YEG both of which used to be smaller cities.
: I disagree with your logic. Your current ranking merely suggests that other cities are enjoying higher population growth and in no way implies that Y
: The key word is "relatively" which I have mentioned several times. I can remember as a kid in YWG in summer 1975 seeing a daily AC 741 arrive from LH
: Let's agree to disagree. While the four cities you mentioned are likely doing better economically and are more attractive destinations for air carrie
: "Relative" decline. That's what growing slower means. The PCI in YWG is markedly lower than that of YYC, YEG and YVR. Hence any WestCan expansion by
: With 1.2 million people in Ottawa-Gatineau, and a projected growth of 50% (1.8 million) by 2020, I'm certain we will see a lot of new routes out of YO
: Well, keep in mind that they only have a hand full of 777s will be fleet expansion. The majority is going towards fleet replacement. Same with the 787
: Personally, I can't see any long haul routes originating in YWG, YEG, YOW or YHZ. YOW is too close to YYZ and YUL and YEG is to close to YYC and even
: I think it's actually closer to 60 years!!
: As far as I know, neither AC nor Boeing has given an exact breakdown of AC's B777 order. I do know that the first 3 aircraft will be B777ERs. Persona
: Don't see the A345's being put on Delhi. The company is a stickler when it comes to fleet commonality, and I see the A345's the first out the door as
: Based on the "office buzz", think the most likely next route to Europe would be: YUL - GVA followed by YOW- FRA
: Actually, and unfortunuatly, the decision belongs more to the U.S than the Canadian Gov. itself. Even if, officially, the decision belongs to the Can
: I would imagine this route will become weekly next year with the arrival of Zoom's 4th 763 in January. The routing is YEG-YWG-LGW. Technically, Z4's
: I thought Zoom operates to London in the winter. There is no A340-500 service, is it not 767 via ZRH? While I think this is a good route, I would ass
: Yeah, and it's rank hypocrisy on the part of the Yanks, who use the so-called "Cedar Revolution" as proof that their attack on Iraq has liberated the
: Possibly. Trying to get some sense out of their website isn't easy.
: Would Air Canada ever think of coming to Moscow? Aeroflot seems to be doing well on the Toronto flights. And I know there are many people that fly to
: FLYACYYZ, Do you have a "ballpark" idea as to when AC may launch the YUL-GVA and YOW-FRA routes? i.e., when 767 aircraft for these routes may become a
: If you all check out this link it will show the future expansion routes for AC in coming months when they receive their 777s and 787s. You will notic
: AC use to fly direct from YHZ to both Glasgow and Heathrow but I don't think that there was sustainable traffic to maintain the route.
: Yes, you are right to some extent: AC did try YHZ-FRA for less than one year and pulled out of that market. Although the loads were good, the yields
: The more profitable point to point flights AC can come-up with, the better. They badly need to forget the hub and spoke system and order as many B787