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CO, NW, DL To Allow Joint Lounge Access  
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

This certainly makes any one of these memberships a very smart buy.

Aaron G.

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Continental, Delta and Northwest Offer Club Members Expanded Access to Lounges Worldwide
Monday November 28, 8:30 am ET

HOUSTON, ATLANTA and ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 28, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- SkyTeam(r) carriers Continental Airlines (NYSE:CAL - News), Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines (Other OTC:NWACQ.PK - News) today announced that club members of the three airlines will receive expanded access to airport lounges worldwide beginning Dec. 1, 2005.

Members of the airlines' airport lounge programs -- Continental's Presidents Club(r), Delta's Crown Room Club(r) and Northwest's WorldClubs(r) -- will be able to enter any of the three airlines' global facilities when flying any airline. Together, the three airlines offer members more than 90 lounges in the most popular business and leisure destinations in the United States and around the world, such as Frankfurt; Guam; London Gatwick; Mexico City; Santiago, Chile; and Tokyo, to name a few.

This new, expanded access removes all previous flight restrictions on which club members can visit when traveling. Admission to any of the lounges is valid for club members and up to two guests, or a spouse and children under 21 years of age.

Lounge access offers passengers a wide array of additional services and options including flight assistance, access to business amenities including conference rooms and work stations, and complimentary beverages and snacks.

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User currently offlineRyanlock From United States of America, joined May 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

That is good news, however, which Airline has the best Lounges?!

By that I mean not just in one hub / destination... I mean across the whole board?

I will fly DL BizElite from the UK to USA on the 15th Dec 05 and really am now spoilt for choice.

Any suggestions as to who's lounges I should use?

Regards,

Ryan



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting Ryanlock (Reply 1):
By that I mean not just in one hub / destination... I mean across the whole board?

I will fly DL BizElite from the UK to USA on the 15th Dec 05 and really am now spoilt for choice.

I can't answer the first question. However, the quality of the lounges is often quite dependent upon the airport (more precisely when the lounge was built or last remodeled). Further, at many airports DL, CO, and NW lounges are not located near each other. This limits the usefulness of finding the "best" lounge.

If you are flying Business Elite use those lounges (ATL, CVG, JFK) instead as they actually have more amenities than the Crown Room.


User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Sweet. Guam lounge here I come.

User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

So this means if I am flying Delta and end up in DTW, I can visit a WorldClub if I have a Crown Room membership?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21589 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting Ryanlock (Reply 1):
That is good news, however, which Airline has the best Lounges?!

CO. Well, never been in the NW lounges, but CO is better than DL from what I can tell. And wifi access is free in the CO lounges, as are drinks (hello AA, paying for club access and drinks is nuts).

Quoting Phollingsworth (Reply 2):
I can't answer the first question. However, the quality of the lounges is often quite dependent upon the airport (more precisely when the lounge was built or last remodeled).

Not at CO. Nice lounges in any airport that have them. All with free wifi access.

Anyone know if this extends to American Express Platinum Card access? Right now, you can go to the three lounges but you must be flying that airline that day, not a partner. Would be nice if they extended it to cross SkyTeam as well, so I can go if I am on CO to MIA, BOS, MCO, PBI, NRT or FRA.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Anyone know if this extends to American Express Platinum Card access? Right now, you can go to the three lounges but you must be flying that airline that day, not a partner. Would be nice if they extended it to cross SkyTeam as well, so I can go if I am on CO to MIA, BOS, MCO, PBI, NRT or FRA.

It does not. Agreed on the benefits of CO lounges and the insanity of AA lounges, btw.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Quoting Willbdsp (Reply 4):
So this means if I am flying Delta and end up in DTW, I can visit a WorldClub if I have a Crown Room membership?

That is correct. Previously, you had to be on an NW flight that day. Now you don't.


User currently offlineL104me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

This is a great benefit improvement for the customers!

Guess that means the Presidents Club on Concourse D in Atlanta will now be swamped with people. I was in there several years ago, and from what I remember, it was relatively small. DL and Connection operate quite a few flights from D, so let the crowds begin!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21589 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

It also means the president's club at LAX will be more full, especially when the Atlanta 764 flight leaves from 63.  Sad


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User currently offlineSJU767 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Anyone know if this extends to American Express Platinum Card access? Right now, you can go to the three lounges but you must be flying that airline that day, not a partner.

It does not. That agreement is an American express one, it so happens the airlines involved also have a strong alliance. But in no way AMEX Travel program must be confused by airline alliances.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Someone told me a couple of months ago that if you have a Gold or Platinum card with either CO or NW OR hold a first class ticket on either carrier, you can use the Worldclub. I told her no you can't....You must be a club member to use the club.
Who is right?
safe



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User currently offlineWhiskeyHotel From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 11):
Someone told me a couple of months ago that if you have a Gold or Platinum card with either CO or NW OR hold a first class ticket on either carrier, you can use the Worldclub. I told her no you can't....You must be a club member to use the club.
Who is right?
safe

To access the WorldClub under CURRENT rules, you must be ticketed on NW and either be booked in World Business Class, Have a WorldClub or Presidents Club membership card, or be SkyTeam ElitePlus (Platinum on CO/NW/DL) and booked on an international itinerary

[Edited 2005-11-28 23:00:08]

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

For the posts about the AMEX cards, some cards do allow lounge access. You as the cardholder should know this. For example the Executive Platinum AMEX and Centiron AMEX have lounge access. DL Crown Rooms have a nice chart showing which cards do allow access and do not.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25707 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
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I wonder why they just don't merge and become one airline?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
I wonder why they just don't merge and become one airline?

Are you serious? Two in Chapter 11 and the other not? A three way merger with those groups in the state they are in at the moment. Good Lord ! I think in the current state all three airlines provide a good service independently. But imagine the chaos of merging the work forces under today's conditions? OUCH !

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
I wonder why they just don't merge and become one airline?

cheers

mariner

I would not be surprised if this is part of such plan. SkyTeam, this, ... That was Mullin's big plan back in the day...



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25707 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
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Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 15):
Are you serious?

Yes. Very serious.

mariner



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

The question is when will Skyteam just launch Skyteam lounges?

Doesn't Star Alliance have a lounge system? The one here at NGO is called Sakura and is the Star Alliance Lounge.

Skyteam members use KE's lounge. OneWorld get JL's

Actualy NW members can also use JL's. (Thank you long standing history). But this will change.

As for merger. Two of them yes. All three NO. But staying independent and tying more flights up together would not be a bad idea. Right now many NW flights to Asia are CO codeshare. Even EWR-NRT!



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 15):
Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
I wonder why they just don't merge and become one airline?

Are you serious? Two in Chapter 11 and the other not? A three way merger with those groups in the state they are in at the moment. Good Lord ! I think in the current state all three airlines provide a good service independently. But imagine the chaos of merging the work forces under today's conditions? OUCH !

Gotta agree with this...why buy the cow (read: merge airlines, with all the logistical difficulties it presents) when you can get the milk (read: seeming benefits of being fully merged) for free?

If one of the airline's operations are particularly struggling above the others, it does not necessarily need to as adversely impact the others if the operations fell under all one single airline.

-Mike



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25707 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4462 times:
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Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 19):
seeming benefits of being fully merged) for free?

But they don't have those benefits for free.

They have very few of the synergies and economies of scale that a merger would bring.

mariner



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
I wonder why they just don't merge and become one airline?

A decade ago, DOT/DOJ had a tizzy when NW bought 49% of CO stock. No way would a merger that would create the world's largest airline be approved.

Heck, even in the current arrangement they are not allowed to codeshare hub-to-hub routes. Strictly hub-to-outstation routes, and there are some significant limitations on their planning and coordination.

Even if it were allowed...just thinking about the integration of labor makes my head hurt. I mean really hurt.

Thinking about this merger is sorta like hitting yourself on the head with a brick -- it just feels so much better when you stop!  Smile  Smile  Smile

Seriously, though, I think it would be viewed as incredibly anti-competitive and bad for the consumer.

And what kind of livery would we have..... (thinking)... hummm....we could combine a red tail, a globe...and a flag, yes, combine it with a white body...and mybe a blue cheatline?

Whaddya know? We can call this new airline Aeroflot!  Smile  Smile
(yes, it was intended to be a joke. You may laugh now)

Steve


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

All I can say is about damn time! I've spent too much time in DTW on a Delta ticket with no lounge access. (Before you flame me. I know...boo fricking hoo!)

Quoting SJU767 (Reply 10):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Anyone know if this extends to American Express Platinum Card access? Right now, you can go to the three lounges but you must be flying that airline that day, not a partner.

It does not. That agreement is an American express one, it so happens the airlines involved also have a strong alliance. But in no way AMEX Travel program must be confused by airline alliances.

While that is an agreement the three have with AMEX I would think that now I can use my Platinum card to access any lounge regardless of who I am flying on that day.

Quoting Ryanlock (Reply 1):
I will fly DL BizElite from the UK to USA on the 15th Dec 05 and really am now spoilt for choice.

I can't speak for the clubs in London but are you coming into ATL or JFK?
If ATL then the CO lounge is tiny and doesn't have any restrooms plus it is out of the way from the Delta concourses. NW also uses this lounge. I would stick with the DL lounges. The BizElite and regular CRC in the E (International) concourse are nice. T concourse is quiet and probably the least used (I like this one but hardly ever find myself in T anymore. A concourse centerpoint and A18 are both large and busy. The two CRCs in B are ok but the one of them (I forget which) is really tiny.

If you are coming into JFK DL is confined to two terminals and the CRC and BizElite lounges are ok there but nothing spectatcular. I have not been to the NW lounge there and I would doubt CO has a lounge there since EWR is over the river. Enjoy the hot fudge sundaes if they offer them on your flight.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25707 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 4412 times:
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Quoting Sllevin (Reply 21):
A decade ago, DOT/DOJ had a tizzy when NW bought 49% of CO stock. No way would a merger that would create the world's largest airline be approved.

A decade ago, half the US legacy carriers were not in or near bankruptcy.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 21):
Heck, even in the current arrangement they are not allowed to codeshare hub-to-hub routes. Strictly hub-to-outstation routes, and there are some significant limitations on their planning and coordination.

Sure, as long as they are three separate entities, I would agree with DOJ. Or FAA. Or whoever made those rules. A merger is different.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 21):
Even if it were allowed...just thinking about the integration of labor makes my head hurt. I mean really hurt.

So - because something is tough, we don't attempt it?

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 21):
Seriously, though, I think it would be viewed as incredibly anti-competitive and bad for the consumer.

So - the Feds prefer two airlines in bk (will both come out?) and one not making money?

The implications for the pension funds alone are a good reason for the Feds at least to consider it.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 21):
And what kind of livery would we have.

I didn't realise that a merger would stand or fall on the livery. But - here's a thought - perhaps they could have a new one designed?

Yes, such a merger would be a nightmare to organize, and I have no idea what they would do about the accumulated debt.

But getting United through bk has cost $16 billion so far and they're still counting and I don't think anyone has put a price on HP/US yet.

So - instead of the possibility of one big airline that might make money, we have three airlines all losing fortunes and all pretending to be different?

cheers

mariner

[Edited 2005-11-29 04:29:27]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 13):
For example the Executive Platinum AMEX and Centiron AMEX have lounge access

Is the former through some kind of affiliation with AA?  Wink

Platinum and Centurion cards are the Amexs that offer CRC, PC and WorldClubs access. More info. Techincally this should only be US issued cards as the benefits for Centurion and Platinum differ for each country. The UK card for example offers Priority Pass for both Platinum and Centurion charge cards whereas the US does not.

Centurion & Platinum benefit listings by country as well as some more here



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25 B4real : I am further convinced that this is the first step of lounge consolidation - where any lounge is in the same concourse as another lounge, one would go
26 GBan : With my Lufthansa status card I have been able to use lounges of other Star Alliance airlines for a long time. I'm surprised that this was not the ca
27 Star_world : The Star system still isn't quite as good as this deal though, as you need to be flying on a *A airline that day to use one of their lounges. Ok, mos
28 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Makes 'Open Doors' for BA Golds look a little less great now doesn't it? Although you still end up in a Skyteam Lounge eek!
29 Pope : This is probably the reason why DL stopped (or announced that it will stop) offering Platinum Medalliion members free lounge access. True on its face,
30 GBan : At least I can fly on any Star airline to use a lounge. And in reality I have very rarely be asked for that proof...
31 Post contains images Star_world : Hey I was being good and not mentioning this point! I still like the BA scheme though, at least you don't have to pay extra for the lounge access, un
32 Sllevin : The current arrangement has not allowed people flying NW to access a CO club; for example, in SFO or ATL where there's a CO club but not an NW one. I
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