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What New Routes Should CO Start Flying?  
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

International

IAH:

GIG - 3/week would be good. aircraft???
GRU - increase to 6/week
EZE - 4/ week
SCL - 3/ week
FRA - Daily service
ZRH - daily
MAN - daily
BRU - 4/ week
GUM - 3/ week
TLV - daily

CLE:

MEX- daily
CDG- daily
DUB- 4/ week
YVR- daily
YYC- daily

EWR:

EZE- daily
SCL- daily non-stop (DC-10)
GRU- increase to 2 daily
CPH- daily
ARN- daily
BCN- 4/week
VIE- 5/ week
ATH- daily
SVO-daily
CDG- increase to 2 daily
HKG- daily , stop in HNL.
JNB- daily

i imagined that those flights are pretty resonable, what are you guys opinion about it?


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User currently offlineCOA 737-900 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

These are reasonable. For IAH-GIG DC10. I'm not sure about the 777 on this route.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

CO already flies twice daily to CDG, so no increase there.

Vienna and Barcelona would be unprofitable. CPH and ARN are a
maybe. EZE route is pending approval. JNB?? Probably not. HKG,
only if more 777's are ordered.

CLE routes sound reasonable.

IAH, I agree with all, except Manchester. AA tried this from DFW
and load factors were very poor. Route dropped after just one
year. If AA couldn't fill a 767 from DFW to MAN with 750 daily
flights, what makes you think CO can from IAH with 520 daily
flights?

IAH-GIG, yes, with a 767-200 when it comes on line. Not a 777.


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2349 times:


I think they should start one out of EWR to STR.
Actually I don't care what American airline is gonna start flights to STR but I think some airline should do it.
As already mentioned in my post for TWA flights, DL had about 75 % on a daily B767-300er flight from STR-JFK.

Rgds, B737-700


User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

EWR-
Theres a reason they suspended SCL

I think that VIE would be profitable, with only a few daily flights to Austria nonstop from the US, this popular American tourist destination could use another flt w/ an American carrier(When I went to VIE, it was PACKED with Americans, yet I couldn't help but wonder how they got there)

JNB/HKG, I'd say these could work out, but only w/ a 777

CLE-
DUB could probably be daily if it went CLE-SNN-DUB-CLE

Maybe CDG, but only w/ a 762

IAH-
I actually think that MAN could work, the reason AA failed in this market was because they started out too strong(MD-11 and a 767 on the ORD, 763 on JFK and DFW) CO started out with a DC-10 EWR, and soon upgraded to a 777. I think theres room for a 762 from IAH

Is there really a large Jewish pop in the Midwest?

I agree w/ GUM, pax could connect to Japan and the South Pacific

I dont know about BRU/ZRH, how about MAD or FCO instead?

How about rounding 6/GRU up to daily?



User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Interesting routing to HKG: my first impression would be to say no way because of time, but think of the stopover potential  

I'm all for any competition by a US airliine to South Africa!


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

I would love to see Continental start service between either JFK or EWR and ATH. They would be in competition with Delta on this route. Also, I would like Continental Express replace their ATRs on the EWR to ALB route with commuter jets.

User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Why are you focusing on CO's future plan to outside of USA? I think CO should focus on growth within USA....start point to point cities, a hub out in West and Southeast

And/Or start a new "Cal Lite" version with all RJ (small and large RJs).

Dave


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

They don't need a Southwest hub. They have extensive service from Houston
to that part of the country and code-share with America West Airlines.

One Continental Lite was enough. It almost killed CAL. We don't need yet
another Southwest clone.

Point to point service is not in their growth plans, largely due to the need
to grow their "underdeveloped" hubs, according to mgmt.

Tedski, CAL probably won't start Athens until they get a 767-400ER. The
new widebodies will be used to replace DC10's and expand long-haul out
of Houston. If they do start an ATH flight, it would be out of EWR and I
imagine, seasonal.



User currently offlineSVG From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Continental should start flying Newark-Oslo. SAS is the only airline that flies from Norway to the US at the moment. Norway is a very popular holiday destination and it also has a very strong economy. I think that the 767-200 would be perfect for this route.

User currently offlineLax2000 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

How about more international flights out of LAX:


LAX to Tokyo, Tel Aviv, London and Paris. Using 777 or 767's

I love CO, but I wouldn't stop over in EWR or IAH to fly to any of these places. I guess the competition is to fierce out of LAX to Tokyo and even London, but Tel Aviv? Only El Al flys non stop...could a 777 make it?

Didn't they have Headquarters and a small hub at LAX in the 70s and 80s. I wish they would do it again.

Anyway, experts please let me know.


Adam


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Yes, they had their headquarters at LAX but not really a hub. They did operate flights to San Jose, Seattle, Denver, Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans, Tampa, Hawaii (of course) and I think Fiji. I wouldn't really have considered it a hub though.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Here goes:
EWR-Osaka-Hong Kong 1 777,
IAH-HNL-Osaka 1 767-400,
EWR-Buenos Aires-Montevideo 1 767-400,
IAH-Lima-La Paz 1 757 (would operate on days that the new Santa Cruz flight does not),
IAH-Maracaibo 1 737-700 thrice weekly,
IAH-Rome 1 767-400,
IAH-Frankfurt 1 767-400,
IAH-Madrid 1 767-200,
IAH-Cali 1 737-700 (four times weekly),
IAH-Barranquila 1 737 500 (thrice weekly)
IAH-Buenos Aires 1 767-200,
IAH-Santiago 1 767-200,
EWR-Asuncion via GRU 1 767-400,
EWR-HNL-SYD 1 767-400,
IAH-HNL-Auckland-Melbourne 1 767-400 (this would be second daily IAH-HNL flight),

And many more flights out of EWR that I don't have time to list,but look for 25-30 trans Atlantic routes in the next five years from Continental.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2290 times:

I agree with "SVG". CO shouldn't have problems getting passengers for å route to Oslo, Norway.

According to their HQ, Oslo is considered one of the hotest new destination for Continental in Europe.


User currently offlineYBG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 2284 times:

Houston (IAH) <> Montréal/Dorval (YUL). Many rumors since many years ago but we still can't see the color of it.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Everyone seems to have forgotten the fact that when 'Wings' was a reality - before the KL/AZ split and the possibility of a BA/QF/MH linkup - Malaysia Airlines had been coaxing CO to code-share on its 777 EWR-DXB-KUL which would have given CO fantastic penetration into Southeast Asia from Northeast USA. CO and MH had the potential to make this service a daily occurrence and provide feeder services at either end....this market being largely untapped with only SIA being a direct competitor....what a miss by CO!

From the West Coast, MH and NW had just about got their code-sharing act in order - before 'Wings' crumbled :-(

...and BA/QF/CX/AA are now courting MAS into their gang...which may become reality very soon. CO really lost out here...I think.


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