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What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..  
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Well everyone seems to be post these type of topics, and they all seem to be US airlines so I thought I'd throw in some CanCon (Cunucks among us will know what that is)

I personally think that future international routes should include:
YYZ/YYC/YWG - KBP with the 767-200ER or the A330
YEG/YYC - NRT with the A330
YEG/YYC - Osaka With the A330
YVR/YYZ - Singapore with the A340/744
YYZ/YUL - Capetown with the 767-300er
YYZ/YUL - Santiago with the A330/767
YUL/YYZ/YYC/YVR - BJS with the A330/340
YYZ/YVR - Shanghai with the A330
YYZ/YUL - MOW with the 767-200er
YYZ/YVR/YYC - Bangkok with the A330
YYZ/YUL - Madrid with the 767's
YYZ/YUL - Lisbon with the 767's
YYZ/YVR/YUL - Buenos Aires wiht the 767's
YYZ/YVR/YUL - Montovideo with the 767's
YYZ - Cairo with the 767's
YYZ/YUL - Prauge with the 767's


Just a few of the endless possibilities that are ahead of Air Canada...........If you think about it the pretty much own the rights to the entire world....



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

They could start flights to Ulan Bator, Tbilisi, Malabo or Minsk?!? 
No, Prague and Singapore, why not.
SR3496


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

I guess your overeacting in your thoughts, i mean too much to Asia, !!!!! and AirCAnada does not have the enough planes to cover that!!! Capetown, blind shot!!! Prauge, maybe codeshare.......... Cairo, who would fly that? Buenos Aires , yeah i agree on that. Montevideu, never........ no one flies there!!!!

I think you should analyze and see that your dreaming to much , maybe in future....ok?


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Toronto-Jo'burg/Capetown doesn't sound like an unreasonable flight to me!

User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Keep in mind that their A340-500's will stretch their range capabilities, and also that there are plenty of new routes for regional, and US flights as well as long-haul, so I would say:

Toronto-Vienna
Toronto-Indianapolis
Toronto/Montreal-Rome/Milan
Toronto-Dusseldorf
Vancouver-Singapore
Calgary-Washington Dulles
Winnipeg-Minneapolis
Edmonton-Regina
Toronto-Orange County (when they can get slots)
Toronto-Johannesburg
Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt
Ottawa-Frankfurt
Toronto-Salt Lake City
Vancouver-Pheonix
Vancouver-Las Vegas
Toronto-Rio de Janeiro/Buenos Aires (expand service)
Toronto-Madrid
Toronto-Lisbon
Vancouver-Bangkok
Vancouver-Shanghai
Ottawa-Denver
Halifax-Chicago


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Neo: Keep this in mind next time you want to make any comments like that - AC has plans to order as many as 125 a/c, and since it's merging with Canadian Airlines, more routes to Asia are logical. Toronto-Jo'burg is actually a very good possibilty, as I don't think SAA flies to Toronto! Toronto is a pretty multicultural city and Canada's largest city with about 5 million people, so almost anything can happen!

Here's my list:
I know that may sound quite a bit for Edmonton, but I'm not that crazy enough to see a YEG-Moscow route or a YEG-Newark route, cause I know that won't happen!

Edmonton-San Francisco
Edmonton-DFW
Edmonton-Frankfurt
Edmonton-London
Edmonton-Calgary-Phoenix
Calgary-Seattle
Toronto-Vancouver-Delhi (An A340-500 could do this)
Vancouver-Honolulu-Sydney
Vancouver-Honolulu-Brisbane
Calgary-Las Vegas
Calgary-Salt Lake City
Grande Prairie, AB - Vancouver (Sounds crazy? Not if you realize how many people there go to the West Coast! And that'll likely be on a regional)
Edmonton-Whitehorse (Another one that sounds crazy, but it's not! Probably via Grande Prairie to fill seats.)
Vancouver-Anchorage
Edmonton-Anchorage(I see a possibility - this route was flown before in the '70s, probably by NWA)


User currently offlineAC_767 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 32 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3222 times:

Wait a minute guys, you guys all all predicting routes for every city except for AC's new hub, YUL! If any airport is going to get more new routes then YVR, it's gonna be YUL. They are the one that's expanding a lot so they're gonna get a lot of routes too.

For YUL, I predict:

Madrid
Lisbon
Munich
Milan/Rome
Buenos Aires
Rio
Caracas
Charlotte
Raleigh/Durham
St. Louis
Copenhagen
Vienna
Sao Paulo
Lima
Monterrey and Acapulco???
Beirut, Algers and Tunis!!!
Warsaw

What is this:

Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt????????????
Ottawa-Frankfurt??????????


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Ottawa-Frankfurt makes sense when you consider that they could cut one of the Ottawa-London flights and split the connecting traffic off to Frankfurt.

Rumour had it that AC was looking at operating the A319's across the atlantic, so Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt could work.

I don't see a whole lot of new growth at YUL until such a time as they get their terminal expansion done. YUL-St. Louis, or YUL-New Orleans could work, or several other transborder destinations or maybe Mexico City, but Copenhagen and Munich only have 1 YYZ flight a day as it is, so I don't see the market to add a YUL flight as well. Same goes with a lot of other overseas destinations.


User currently offlineYBG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Looks like Milton is not waiting after ADM for YUL's expansion. There is already +17% cap. increase for YUL this summer. That's less than YYZ at around +21% but more than YVR at around +14%.
There is rumors LH will start flying with their own plane next year on top of AC's one so to make YUL <> FRA 2/daily.
There is already 2/week to Rome with CP. As soon as regs. problems with Alitalia are over, YUL is supposed to get something close to daily for both Rome and Milan, probably next season.
I'd see YUL <> Madrid and Lisbon easily if nobody from their side of the Atlantic starts anything.
An obvious one for YUL would be Lyon despite the very heavy existing presence of TS on this run from YMX.
For Cairo, I'd rather see it from YUL than YYZ since more than half of the Canada <> Egypt pax traffic is from Québec.
For South America, I think YYZ will have the lion's share for geographical and market reasons. Mexico City, currently served 4/week by MX, should be upgraded to daily. May be Caracas, but apart from that...
Eventually (2 to 5 years horizon), I guess Munich, Copenhagen or Amsterdam are possibilities. Crossing our fingers for a flight to Asia one of these days.
For the US, a few more like Houston and better coverage of mid-size cities (half or 1 million pop. metro. area) of the NE for better connection possibilities. This new Air Sprint might solve that.
One thing particular about YUL is the pax in transit proportion is only around 15%, so there is a lot of room for catch up.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

I think all of you people are underestimating YUL. We have people from all over the globe and your saying that International routes won't work out? Are you guys out of your minds???

I think flights to Europe and to Houston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham and other american cities will come very soon. Flights to Africa, South America and the Middle East will come within the next 5 years.

It will be a long time before we see flights from YUL to the Pacific rim and Ausie.

Montreal is the second biggest city in Canada, YUL the fastest growing airport in Canada and is propably the best city in N. America. It's belive it or not, a booming city, there are cranes everywhere. You will see, after all this expansion is done, YUL will get a lot bigger, and have routes to a lot more destinations.

You can see the expansion, just to go this site :
http://www.cam.org/~hill/YULextention.jpeg


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Sorry, it's http://www.cam.org/~hill/YULextention.jpg

User currently offlineYBG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

I forgot YUL <> Vienna. Last rumors is an Austrian Airl. return next summer serving both YUL and YYZ. For Mr. Noise: YUL expansion plan: I think ADM drags its feet like hell. Construction has just begun, if we can say construction: there's only construction trailers and a few bulldozers at the moment. And once it's finished in 4 years, it will be probably overwhelmed. By the look of it, it would suffice only to the current traffic level. The new US and int. jettys project is only worth 500 millions CAD. For an int. airport expansion, we're not breaking any world record...especially when you measure it against the needs. With the current economic expansion underway in Mtl, YUL will be a nightmare more than ever in the coming years. Bonne Saint-Jean quand même!

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

I don't know if Dorval will be hell in a few years, but whatever, your propably right, with our damn french seperatist. The PQ's goal is to destroy Montreal beacause this is where all the English people live, so first destroy the airport, wich IS in a very english part of Montreal, then destroy what is left. It's sad, very sad. Every country in the world is learning that English is the universal language except Quebec. Although Montreal is a booming city with lot's of english here, and the french are smartning up, becoming non-separitists, the PQ will always be there to destroy all what the smart did. Out of all the places my grand-parents had to imigrate, it had to be Quebec. Montreal is a great city and is totaly NON-SEPERATIST, but we live in Quebec, and the PQs rule, but hopefully soon, the Liberals will take over.

What I am talking about, this isn't politics, we are supposed to be talking about Ac's futur destinations. Sorry guys!


User currently offlineYBG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I'll just say for you Mr.Noise that it is sad to see somebody of your young age falling into these depths of fanaticism and integricism.

User currently offlineYWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Here is my predictions for new routes for Air Canada.
Toronto-Cario
Toronto-Cape Town
Toronto-Honolulu-Manila
Ottawa-Paris
Halifax-Miami
Montreal- Honolulu
Montreal-Victoria
Thunder Bay-Chicago
Winnipeg-London
Winnipeg-Los Angeles
Winnipeg- San Fransisco
Winnipeg-Washighton/Dulles
Winnipeg-Phoenix
Winnipeg-Vancouver-Hong Kong- Manila(Yes Winnipeg has a very large Phillippino Population.
Winnipeg-New York/ JFK
Regina- Chicago
Saskatoon-Chicago
Calgary-Hong Kong
Calgary- Tokyo
Edmonton- London
Edmonton-St. Louis
Vancouver-New York/JFK
Vancouver-Paris
Vancouver-Miami
Vancouver- Manila
Vancouver-Ancharage
Victoria- Ottawa
Victoria-Winnipeg
Victoria-Honolulu

YWG777 


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Beirut would be a goodie, lots of Lebanese in Canada, and business links in both directions (I sometimes get the impression Canada seeks ties with countries the US State Dept are having hissy fits with - Lebanon, Cuba, Iran. Gawd bless em). The biggest expat Sri Lankan community is in Toronto, so Colombo would be less silly than you might think. Not sure about the yields, though. Do AC still fly to India? I remember they used to fly LHR-BOM-SIN for a few years, not sure what happened to that! A couple of their 747 Classics had 'Singapore!' across the tail under the maple leaf.

So: Beirut, Colombo, Bombay, Delhi, Singapore.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Toronto should have flights to Beirut, Colombo, Bombay, Delhi and Singapore soon. Montreal-Beriut and Montreal-Colombo would work out but flights to Bombay, Delhi and Singapore is out of the question.

YWG777
Ottawa-Paris
Halifax-Miami
Toronto-Cario
Toronto-Cape Town
Toronto-Honolulu-Manila
Regina- Chicago
Saskatoon-Chicago
Calgary-Hong Kong
Calgary- Tokyo
Montreal-Honolulu

Those routes could work out, but I am not too sure about the other routes

Montreal-Victoria ?
Winnipeg-London ?
Edmonton- London ?
Edmonton-St. Louis ?

They could, but I don't see how. Winnipeg isn't very big, so the flight to LHR might not work as well, same thing for Edmonton-London.

If there are going to be flights from Edmonton-St. Louis it will be with TWA, they have a very big hub there and I think they will be the one to do that.

Montreal-Victoria? Victoria isn't big at all so it can't work.


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Noise - the URL link you posted is a bad one, I'm afraid. Not to mention, that even after a little tweaking, it looks like a link to a guitar album site! (That's after I deleted the YULextention part from the address.) I kinda wonder what that has to do with Montreal or YUL. Besides I didn't see any difference in the correction you were trying to make. Sorry, if I'm being harsh or something like that, but I just wanted to point it out to you.

Cedarjet - AC to Beirut? That does sound good, but I'm honestly not sure about AC flying into a region where there has been fighting recently (N. Lebanon) within 2-3 years. But you're right about the Lebanese community in Canada - I have known a few friends of Lebanese descent in the past. Beirut has improved in the last several years, that's what I've heard, so AC could well fly there or get a codeshare with MEA (via LHR), a little farther down the road. Colombo may be a problem because of the fighting in Sri Lanka, so AC might be wary of flying there. Delhi, Singapore and Mumbai(formerly Bombay, actually) are very likely, as there are indeed a lot of East Indians living in Canada. And who could refuse Singapore, one of the Asian economic tigers, and a very busy port in SE Asia?


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3137 times:

Even I don't see how Montreal-Honolulu and Halifax-Miami would work. Frankly there'd be not enough of a market to justify these routes.

And I must disagree with Edmonton-London(LHR), as this route may work out 5-7 years down the road. Edmonton's been jilted out of international and transborder routes for too long, because airlines want to go into Calgary(there are however, valid rasons for that) and it's time that YEG got at least some of those back. I've lived in Edmonton long enough to know what's happened out there. But I do agree that YEG-STL isn't going to work, and I don't think TWA would see Edmonton as a market worth serving.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

You shouldn't have deleted YULextension. You had to replace it with dorvalairport. The site's URL is http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html .

Now does it look like a Guitar album site???

Go to the recent news section and you will find the news on the expansion.

Bu the way, you said it was a bad one. Why is it a bad one?


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

I think he was saying the link was bad ie- didn't work.

Ottawa-Paris wouldn't work.

None of the JFK flights will ever happen. Period. AC doesn't fly into JFK, it uses EWR and LGA.

YEG-STL, no way.

Overseas flights from Edmonton and Winnipeg, maybe eventually. Right now I think the transborder routes are far more important to develop. YEG and YWG are emerging markets, and transborder growth would drive eventual overseas growth.

Halifax-Miami? Nope, that's a sunspot flight, which is a market the charters dominate. Same probably goes with Montreal-Honululu, although that could possibly work with Australian connections thrown in.

Victoria is mainly a tourism market. WestJet and the charters will continue to dominate that, so YUL or YWG aren't really up there in AC's interests. Besides, AC dropped YYC-YYJ flights, that should tell you something- low yield! And YYJ-HNL won't happen either.

Manila could work, but it would be connections in Vancouver.

Saskatchewan-Chicago probably won't happen. Maybe Denver, though. But no US preclearance.

Thunder Bay doesn't have enough demand for a Chicago flight, I would say. Also, again, no US preclearance.

Vancouver-Newark would be a good route, as would Vancouver-Anchorage.

Winnipeg-Pheonix wouldn't work for AC, although I see potential for America West there.

Also, Toronto-Reno might work.


User currently offlineGIV-SP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Hi Slawko,

just out of curiosity.... How much do you fly Air Canada?



User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

I honestly don't know how computer or Web - literate you are, but when someone says it's a bad link, you shouldn't take it too literally. This has nothing to do with the quality of the website. AC183's right. It actually means that the link doesn't work (you get this "Not Found" or "Forbidden" on a blank screen or an Error 404 message from the server). Or it can also mean that you get a completely different website from the one you wanted to see. I've even run into a couple of porno sites and in one case, a racist hate site(Jee-zus, there sure are some sick people out there!), when I wanted a completely different (and G- or PG-rated) site! Fortunately, this is very rare, as Web servers and ISPs will usually make sure things like this don't happen, especially when children are using the Internet and that parents often have valid safety concerns about their kids surfing the Net.

BTW the newly corrected link you set up does work - and the YUL Enthusiasts Page is actually a pretty good website about YUL!


User currently offlineHappy777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

YEG-DFW??? that would not work
however i think that YVR,YYZ,YUL-DFW would work


User currently offlineMikeYEG From Canada, joined May 2000, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Remember, there is an expansion going on that will increase the size of Edmonton-YEG International by something like 3/4 again its size. You can look at a lot of the ATB stuff at www.edmontonairports.com/

Also, YEG has a long history of international flights. According to the 07 Apr 1991 copy of the Canadi>n timetable, there was a 744/D10 service to HNL, and D10s to NRT, LHR, and FRA. AC operated an extra segment on AC850/851 (YYC-YEG-LHR r/t) with L1011-500s, 747-200 Combis, 767-300ER, then A340s. I don't know the exact date the flight was discontinued, but i know it was operating as recently as last summer.

NW has increased capacity with 2 A319s and a 320 going to MSP.


25 Dellatorre : Some new routes that would enhance Air Canada route system would be: YYZ-GIG 4/week with 767-300 YYZ-ANC daily A320 YYZ-SCL 3/week 767-300 YYZ-MAD 5/
26 Post contains images MikeYEG : YVR-KUL YVR-(HNL-)(AKL-)SYD-MEL YVR-SIN YVR-FUK YEG-LHR YEG-SFO YYC-FRA YYC-(YEG-)NRT YYC-IAD YEG-/YYC-/YWG-DEN all taken over by mainline AC from Air
27 AC183 : Delatorre, YYZ-HNL-SYD is in operation or will start within a week, but due to bilaterals it has to be on CP metal. YVR-SYD is too far for nonstop unt
28 Dellatorre : What about: YYZ-YVR-BKK, YUL-YYC-NRT and YUL-ZRH????????
29 MikeYEG : I had forgotten about the YYC-FRA flights, while I could have sworn that BC had at least one flight from YYC-DEN on the 146. Maybe YEG-FRA summer seas
30 YWG777 : Here is another one I thought of YYC-TLV Also I can see happening a YWG-LAX route in a couple of years? YWG777
31 Samurai 777 : Happy777 A YEG-DFW route might work out in the future, as Edmonton, like the rest of Alberta probably has enough oil company and other links to Texas-
32 MikeYEG : The last NW flight to arrive YEG, and the 10:05 am flight are operated with the A320. I would suspect a big reason for the capacity increase would be
33 AC183 : FYI guys, YEG had both LHR and FRA nonstops a few years ago, I have a route map to prove it. In fact, at the time of AC's 50th anniversary in 1987, I
34 AC183 : YYZ-YVR-BKK, YUL-YYC-NRT and YUL-ZRH???????? YVR-BKK is possible (actually it's on AC's shortlist that they've mentioned), although I don't see the lo
35 YHU : Hi all, I noticed that Noise had posted a URL that is actually part of my web page. I think the image may have been lost on a server crash recently, b
36 777YYC : Didn't CP used to fly YYC-NRT once a week with a DC10?
37 Samurai 777 : Although LHR is a plausible nonstop destination for YEG to have, I was thinking FRA as the most likely. They haven't said anything about a specific ci
38 AC183 : Not sure that FRA is most likely... YYC has 2 daily LHR flights, and only 1 FRA, so it would make more sense to me to simply move one of the LHR fligh
39 Jaysit : I dont think that AC will fly to India any time soon. They used to fly 747s to bombay and then A340s to Delhi but dropped out because although traffic
40 Slawko : Why do you ask????
41 GIV-SP : you seem very knowledgeable (spelling?) I fly significantly... I fly AC... Just curious like my question earlier.... last year I did a little over 86,
42 CYLW : Yep, I believe it was seasonal, only in the summer on Sunday using DC-10s.
43 YWG777 : I think AC should expand oit of the smaller cities in Canada. The medium size cities should see more growth in Transborder flights and Larger aircraft
44 Slawko : Actually I am not a frequent flyer of AC....I did my co-op placement there this year, and was priviy to lots of kool information, and I also got to se
45 ATA757 : YYZ-IND YVR-IND
46 FLYYUL : Slawko, you said you good a lot of information to private stuff. My question is to you, what do you know about AC's performance at yul? or anything re
47 Louis : INRCREASE FREQUENCY OF FLIGHTS TO SEOUL, KOREA! And use a bigger plane! It is desperately needed, especially with Vancouver's huge Korean population!
48 Jmbyulac : here is my selection YUL-CDG ADD ONE FLIGHT DAYTRIPPER 767-200ER YUL-BEY 2/WEEK 767-300ER YYZ-YUL-MAD 2/WEEK, YYZ-MAD 5/WEEK 767-200ER YYZ-YUL-MOW 2/W
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