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New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz  
User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...051128.wjazz1128/BNStory/Business/

"ACE has signed a memorandum of understanding with US Airways Group Inc. to have Jazz operate some flights on behalf of the U.S. airline over the next five years."

Presumably transborders, but who knows how Open Skies will have progressed by then. Cabotage?


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Interesting. Will they be flying out of PHX, LAS, CLT, PHL, or possibly some other northeast city, or all 4?

User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
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Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?

US Express already has PSA flying CRJ700s flying for them so it'd be nothing new.

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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

This is nothing new and was part of the investment agreement relating to the US/HP merger. It would only involve transborder flights. AFAIK, as US's business plan dictates additional flying/routes, Jazz has first right of refusal on the business.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 3):

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?

US Express already has PSA flying CRJ700s flying for them so it'd be nothing new.

The CRJ705 is the same size as the CRJ900 but configured for premium passengers. The CRJ700 is smaller



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 4):
This is nothing new and was part of the investment agreement relating to the US/HP merger.

That's correct, this is nothing new, though people seem to rediscover it every few weeks.  Wink

There is a bit more detail out now. Not much, but a bit.

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 4):
It would only involve transborder flights. AFAIK, as US's business plan dictates additional flying/routes, Jazz has first right of refusal on the business.

Jazz gets first shot at any new 70- or 90-seat transborder routes. US can add 50-seat transborder flying (or smaller) with its existing Express carriers. US could, of course, offer flying to Jazz beyond what they're contractually obligated to. The Jazz-operated flights would operate as US Airways Express, in the US Airways Express livery.

Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
The Jazz-operated flights would operate as US Airways Express, in the US Airways Express livery

Now that is very surprising! It will be interesting to watch things unfold when further details of the AC/US relationship get released in the new year.


User currently offlineAZFLYER84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

I wonder who will staff the ground personnel for US Airways Express at the various hubs and outstations

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 8):
I wonder who will staff the ground personnel for US Airways Express at the various hubs and outstations

What do you mean?



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User currently offlineAZFLYER84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 9):
What do you mean?

I wonder if the mainline employees will handle all express flights in all of the hubs and outstations. I know that MESA for example handles all of their flights in PHX and most express outstations.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 10):
I wonder if the mainline employees will handle all express flights in all of the hubs and outstations.

OK, I thought that's probably what you meant, I just was a little confused since it didn't seem to have anything to do with Air Canada.  

In any event, things won't change from how they are right now.

There are currently I believe 7 stations on the East side where mainline handles their own flights and Express handles their own flights. Express flights at CLT/PHL/LGA/DCA/BOS are handled by Piedmont, PIT is handled by PSA, and Air Midwest handles their flights at MCI. There were others in the past, like BWI and TPA, but they no longer have the volume of Express flights that made it necessary.

On the inside at the gate/ATO, all other stations are handled by either mainline or Express. If they've got any mainline, or have had any mainline in the last few years, then all flights are handled by mainline. (There was/is a lower-paying Mainline Express classification for former mainline stations that now only have 0-2 mainline flights, but that's being abolished by the recent US-CWA/IBT transition agreement.) If it's an all-Express station and has been so for a while, then it's handled by Express, either Piedmont, PSA, Mesa/Air Midwest, or Colgan, depending on the station.

Outside on the ramp, it's slightly more complicated, as the IAM-F didn't get nearly as good scope as the CWA did in the last few rounds of concessions. Stations that have been traditionally Express for many years are handled by one of the Express carriers, either Piedmont, PSA, Mesa/Air Midwest, or Colgan, depending on the station. Stations that have over about 8 daily mainline flights are handled by mainline. Stations that fall in between were all recently outsourced; a number were outsourced to Piedmont or PSA, but a number were outsourced to other airlines or third-party contractors.

Oh, and when a particular station is outsourced to an Express operator, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with which Express operator(s) actually fly there. Also, at many of the Express stations where the Express carrier handles both the gate/ATO and the ramp, agents are cross-utilized and work both inside and outside.

As for the West side, I'm not as up on things there, but for the most part, they should be similar. At the hubs, HP handles themselves and Mesa handles themselves. Mesa also handles most of the Express-only outstations. HP has traditionally outsourced most of its smaller East outstations, but US is now performing most of that work.

[Edited 2005-12-13 06:25:42]


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4102 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 10):
I know that MESA for example handles all of their flights in PHX and most express outstations.



Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
At the hubs, HP handles themselves and Mesa handles themselves. Mesa also handles most of the Express-only outstations.

I was at training for HP with rampers who had been hired for TUS and COS. These were not Mesa employees. Aren't those Express-only stations?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 12):
I was at training for HP with rampers who had been hired for TUS and COS. These were not Mesa employees. Aren't those Express-only stations?

Yes. I said that Mesa handles *most* of the Express-only outstations. There are exceptions, particularly at stations like the two you mentioned that were previously served by mainline.



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User currently onlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4634 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).

At YYC HP is currently handled by Globe Ground. As an AC ramper, I'm glad to hear we're picking up more business. You didn't happen to know when the change over would take place?

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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 14):
You didn't happen to know when the change over would take place?

Nope, sorry. It said it'll be within 30 days of when they get around to announcing this stuff, but that's not much help.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).

Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, soes this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 16):
Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, does this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...

This brings up something I have wondered about. Does the US/Jazz deal include Air Georgian? They operate B1900Ds in Air Alliance c/s using Jazz flight numbers but 'Georgian' as their call sign. These are mostly trans-border flights.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 16):
Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, soes this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...

I don't have a list of airports beyond the places where AC will be getting dedicated gates, which I posted above. I doubt even US/AC have a final list made up yet. That being said, US will be handling AC at most places, and I'd guess PVD would probably be among them.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 17):
This brings up something I have wondered about. Does the US/Jazz deal include Air Georgian? They operate B1900Ds in Air Alliance c/s using Jazz flight numbers but 'Georgian' as their call sign. These are mostly trans-border flights.

I'm just speculating, but I doubt that US will put its US* code on the Air Georgian flights, because the regulatory hassle would probably be more trouble than it's worth. However, the AC* code will likely be on the domestic US flights at Air Georgian destinations, so one should be able to book an online connecting itinerary using the AC/AC* codes. That's just my hunch, though. That's just for the codeshare aspect, though; I do suspect US will be handling Air Georgian flights at a number of airports.



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