DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
I used to fuel them when I worked at Jacksonville Intl (JAX). Shoestring TSA operation, running nice new CR7's, but paying the pilots crap and treating them as they are, non-union employees. When I worked there, they only had 3 jets, 151GJ, 152GJ, and 153GJ...not sure about their Mx, because 153GJ was always broken. Apparently they've added two more jets to their fleet.
I think it was more in response to AWAC's departure from the UA scene, they needed something that could get the job done cheap and quick.
JAXFLL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 3): It's a non-union airline set up by Trans States to get around scope clauses and get around paying its pilots anything approximating a living wage.
What do you think is a living wage? We hear complaints on here about how low pilots starting salaries are. It seems as though the unions don't provide starting pilots a living wage either. It is amazing how quick the mud slinging occurs.
It's also amazing how scared the airline pilots unions are of losing their power. In today's world, the unions are for the most part hurting their own causes because of the negative press they receive. The Northwest AMFA mechanics picketing at people's houses. The Delta pilots complaining about a 19.5% pay cut when the average salary will still be over $100,000
"Delta pilots are paid between about $34,000 for a starting first officer to about $194,000 a year for a senior wide-body captain, although most mid-career pilots earn between $100,000 to $150,000 annually." - From the Cincinnati Enquirer, November 1, 2005, author: James Piltcher
I think people should get as much money as possible for their job in their career. Obviously if I could make $194,000 per year I would do it. But at this point in my career I cannot. Pilots shouldn't expect much sympathy from the general public, who fly to pay their salaries. Real median household income remained unchanged between 2003 and 2004 at $44,389, according to a report released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Note, that's household income (all income from all sources in a household, not one person in the household). That was released on August 30, 2005 - the most current information available.
And to counteract some of the arguments I've heard before....don't tell me about all the training costs and hardships that families of pilots and pilots go through. That's sour grapes. Anyone who wants a career has to make hardships and spend money. I went to school for 4 years, did 3 internships while in school, and have moved 3 times in the 3 years after I graduated college to enhance my career. That's life. To make it, you have to work hard and be willing to make sacrifices.
As a side note. The GoJetPilots.com list with addresses and such may be violation of privacy laws. Just because something is public knowledge (such as addresses and phone numbers) it does not give one the ability to use it and disseminate it in any way they see fit. It is obviously a website for intimidation, and if something happens to a pilot or their family, the website administrators may be held liable due to the intimidation and tone of the website. They better be careful with what they do.
Stlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9678 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 9): As a side note. The GoJetPilots.com list with addresses and such may be violation of privacy laws. Just because something is public knowledge (such as addresses and phone numbers) it does not give one the ability to use it and disseminate it in any way they see fit. It is obviously a website for intimidation, and if something happens to a pilot or their family, the website administrators may be held liable due to the intimidation and tone of the website. They better be careful with what they do.
publishing the information is legal. their information is considered to be free use in the public domain.
if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport