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Indian Airlines To Get New Sub-brand  
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

The new brand will be called 'Indian' this will be addition to the Alliance Air (CD) brand, which will continue (however the rumours persist that the brand will be killed). The first aircraft featuring this brand will be a A319 and will be unveiled in Delhi on the 7th. The livery will feature the Konark Sunwheel in blue on a Saffron background. 'Indian' will be a no-frills carrier operating on major sectors and will start service by mid-December.


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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Will it be exclusively A 319, as IC right now only has A 320s? (CD flies 737-200s)

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

The A319 saga is a bit strange - the planes were initially being taken for Alliance, but now the powers that be have decided to kill that airline and start a new brand which will fly the 4 A319's that arrive between now and mid-2006. God knows how the 43 new A32X's will be distributed.


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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 2):
but now the powers that be have decided to kill that airline

what about the pilots? Will they be trained for the 319/320s..?

Will this new entity also be entitled to fly abroad and say compete with air arabia or deccan lanka... any idea on that?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

No idea as yet, the details will become clear over the next few days. From some reports Alliance pilots have been told that some of them will be absorbed into the new carrier, however I doubt that they'll have any problem finding jobs given the current Indian market.


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting Cricket (Thread starter):
The new brand will be called 'Indian'

Corny...

Quoting Cricket (Thread starter):
Alliance Air (CD) brand, which will continue (however the rumours persist that the brand will be killed

I'm not surprised - the CD brand has no perceived value at all (IMO).

Quoting Cricket (Thread starter):
'Indian' will be a no-frills carrier operating on major sectors and will start service by mid-December.

If you can't beat them, join them!! Good move on IC's side - I guess similar to AIX?

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 3):
Will this new entity also be entitled to fly abroad

I would hope not (since that's an unfair advantage to IC compared to DN, KF, 0S etc.) - but given AIX can fly abroad, I'm sure these guys can as well.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Yes, but hopefully these A319's can reach the further SE Asia destinations without needing a stop-over someplace unlike the A320's.


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

As for the name we have Go and IndiGo, they could have named it GotToGo!! Big grin
About the rights to fly abroad, I'd say the policy is such a mish-mash of do's and don'ts.
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 weeks ago) and read 6524 times:

Any reports if the new 319s will have some IFE?

User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 2):
4 A319's that arrive between now..

Here are the 1st & 2nd in XFW Hamburg (Airbus Plant) Germany not yet painted.

D-AVWC
http://planepictures.net/a/41/48/1131991178_TN.jpg
D-AVXL
http://planepictures.net/a/41/48/1131990753_TN.jpg

Quoting Cricket (Thread starter):
livery will feature the Konark Sunwheel in blue on a Saffron background

Is it going to be in the new livery then?

Where will they base the new entity?



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User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6470 times:
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Hmm...a Konark Sunwheel oughta look good. Hope it isn't cheesy.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Is it going to be in the new livery then?

Yes, these will all be for the new no-frills operation by IC called 'Indian' as I pointed out.

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Where will they base the new entity?

DEL will be maint hub for now



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User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

The choice of the name "Indian" seems to be too strange for a sub brand (I suppose they will get a unique IATA code similar to CD)

How an average person will refer it? Indian Airlines? That would be to confusing with the peer IC.

They could have called it "Bharath" or something like that.


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

It's high time IC gets a new livery. It's had the current livery for ages.


An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 10):
Hmm...a Konark Sunwheel oughta look good. Hope it isn't cheesy.

it is straight out of one of those liveries in cardatabase. Here is the link
CarDatabase
they should pay royalty to the designer
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):
Yes, these will all be for the new no-frills operation by IC called 'Indian' as I pointed out.

are they trying to cut down costs by avoiding painting "Airlines" next to "Indian". Big grin
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Looks like CD will eventually shut down.
Also I don't see the B732 freighters having crew unless they pay them 50% more than the market value.
I think a better name should have been chosen.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

folks!! read this. This article makes it quite clear that its not just the A319s but whole of IC is in for rebranding.
Hindustan Times
IA puts on warpaint to appear in ‘Indian’ avatar
As its mint-fresh leased A 319 arrives from Hamburg, Indian Airlines will change its name, motif, colours and maybe to a great extent revitalise itself to be more contemporary. For starters, Indian Airlines will no longer be Indian Airlines but now be called ‘Indian’.

“While there is a clear link to the present, the identity is innovative and fresh. Though the name of the company remains Indian Airlines Ltd, the brand changes completely. The colours and motif are very stylish.”

On December 7, only the new A319 will see the new name and colours atop it, but over a period of time, the entire fleet will see the metamorphosis. The change doesn't stop there. The standard livery will also be altered to enhance the look and feel of the interiors. And the uniforms too will be different.


interesting..
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineGamps From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

So this is not related to Alliance Air at all. Just the parent undergoing image makeover. For a moment I thought what will they do with the North East ATRs if they shutdown Alliance Air.

BTW has anyone seen the Indian Airlines/Alliance Air ATRs? I am surprised there are no photos of them anywhere on the Net.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting Gamps (Reply 18):
I am surprised there are no photos of them anywhere on the Net.

It def is Surprising.But I guess the Area of Operation count too.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

Is VT-SCA still in Hamburg? If if the new colors are to be unveiled in Delhi on December 7th., it must be on it's way to DEL by now. I guess the pictures may be in queue.


An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

So from what I understand from the article its not that IA is getting a sub-brand but it's rebranding itself. It will be called Indian and will have a new color scheme and all the schbang associated with it.

It's not like Ted is being formed but United is changing it's name and livery.

Is my thinking correct?

PG


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting Hawaijahaz (Reply 21):
It's not like Ted is being formed but United is changing it's name and livery.

Is my thinking correct?

This is what appeared in print today. I was also surprised at reading the article as all along I too was thinking that a new sub airline was being floated.

However, having seen the track record of indian aviaion reporting, I will only believe when the new a/c is invieled in DEL, whether its Indian (a new sub) or a changed IC...

BTW wud anyone know what time it might be in DEL on 7th. I have a 2pm flight to catch, might just geta glimpse...


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 22):
BTW wud anyone know what time it might be in DEL on 7th. I have a 2pm flight to catch, might just geta glimpse

Don't forget to take some pictures. Your pics might be the first ones on the net. bigthumbsup 



An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

See from what I found out out from IC, this is going to be a new sub-brand but the main airline is also being 'revamped' whatever that means.


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25 Aseem : maybe it will be sub-brand till the whole fleet is revamped. As I understand eventually whole of IC will become Indian. rgds VT-ASJ
26 Gr8Circle : I personally think 'Alliance Air' is a nice name....IC could have strengthened the brand and rejuvenated it....''Indian" is really hard to understand.
27 Cricket : God knows, one can never tell with the state-owned carriers, but I do think that some brand consultant (close to either the Congress or PeePee) must
28 Atmx2000 : They should just call it "I" It will save even more on painting costs and will be less confusing than Indian. And then they can market it to the "me"
29 Cricket : The problem is that the 'me' generation likse being pampered and ain't something you'll get on Indian Airlines or any subsidiary of Indian Airlines w
30 HAWK21M : Don't forget to post the Pictures on this thread. regds MEL
31 TKMCE : Oh! What is the problem......A lot of Anet members have found Indian Airlines perfectly okay! But then you may not get that FULL can of coke! Not a s
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : 7th is the Launch .So the Aircraft should be in Del now. regds MEL
33 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = I think the nouveau-rich Indians call IC poor ... personally, IC is one of my favorite airlines out there. -A.
34 TKMCE : Yo have company!
35 Post contains images Aseem : where is Roy(IndianGuy).. it'd have been threesome awesome!!
36 Post contains links Abrelosojos : There we go ... its "official" .... INDIAN is now born? Link: http://www.agencyfaqs.com/news/stories/2005/12/07/13503.html -A.
37 Cricket : Hey, I never said I don't like IC - I just grab my seat on row Alpha or Foxtrot and stare out the window, then use the sidewall to sleep until they se
38 TKMCE : I am more or less okay with the call centre but dont have 100% trust on them. They are still learning the ropes! I was once told by those chaps that
39 Cricket : Hmmm, surprised at your experience, I've used them three or four times and I've always found it satisfactory. However, Air Deccan's Call-centre on th
40 Post contains images Rmenon : TKMCE - I agree - IC is highly underrated - I think their food is better than Jet's too.... Unfortunately there are lot of old money, and old middle
41 Himmat01 : I managed to get a very brief glimpse of the new colors on an Indian nes channel. It is the same as what Cricket had stated in the initial post. The e
42 Post contains images Himmat01 : Check it out guys.
43 Post contains images Scbriml : I have to say, that livery is much nicer than IC's current one.
44 Cricket : As Javed Jaffery says on the Maggi Hot and Sweet ad - 'Its Different'
45 TKMCE : Some of it is actually legitimate. When Jet started off, they enticed some of the best talent in IC (and IC did train even during those days, their s
46 Nimish : Much better livery than IC! However, need the folks that did AIX to take a stab at this one - I love the AIX colours!
47 Jasepl : Oh God yes! But it's still frightful. Hopefully, they will also get around to changing their much-loved paan-and-turquoise colour scheme inside the a
48 ArcticTern : Wish the team which worked on Air india Express could also work on the same. I really didnt like the new livery. Has a touch of hinduism, this is my p
49 HAWK21M : Better than the Earlier Livery,But not as good as the one on AIX,according to me. regds MEL
50 Abrelosojos : = Isn't the Ashok Chakra in the Indian flag and symbolizes continuity and dynamicness (and not stagnation)? I fail to see how its "hinduism" ... ever
51 Post contains images HAWK21M : This was an Interesting Logo regds MEL
52 Rmenon : TKMCE - true, some of it is legitimate, but the behaviour I am talking about is ex-AI folks and their families - none of whom work at IC past & prese
53 ArcticTern : Hi Mel, Guess we wont forget the IA logo, ever since I was a kid I have seen it and I will definitely miss the IA logo.
54 Cricket : I really freaking hope so..... Until I see up close and personal I can't really say - that said AIX does have one of the better livery's around. I li
55 Abrelosojos : = I will miss this logo as well ... you know ... I never thought much about it ... but what exactly does this logo stand for? -A.
56 Cricket : It stands for a fat paycheck that some design consultant got!
57 HAWK21M : Check it out 360 Deg it looks great. Its "I" & "A" regds MEL
58 Cricket : How, is it on their website already?
59 Post contains links Cricket : Hmmm... it will grow on me, it will grow me.. i hope New "Indian" Livery (Indian Titles) (by B742 Dec 7 2005 in Civil Aviation) leads to thi
60 TKMCE : So which will be the first INDIAN A319 route? The floor is open .... Let the guessing game get underway.......
61 Post contains links and images Blrsea : Yup, totally agree. And rather than giving it relegious overtones, I would say that it reflects our heritage. It is supposed to be influenced by the
62 WhiteHatter : Saw that whilst flicking through the foreign news channels this afternoon, an excellent departure from the dour IC branding of the past. Those picture
63 Jasepl : Agreed. But look at the most recent photos that have been posted. Oh my effing God! What a perfectly ghastly looking plane that is. Vomit!
64 Jaysit : So, is this a sub-brand? Or is the entire airline going to be re-branded?
65 Aseem : the "Indian" from Hindi side reminds one of "Indian Oil" will apply to entire fleet. Good to have 43 new planes in these colours. rgds VT-ASJ
66 LH459 : Personally, I think it's really striking--much nicer than the old livery!
67 Sammyk : My two cents: Quite the improvement! They could have used a somewhat thinner and "exotic" font and made the titles bigger for the full billboard effec
68 Aseem : rebranding of IC has put to rest the merger talk. rgds VT-ASJ
69 Post contains images HAWK21M : A Horizontal zine across the Windows maybe.And a bit less of Orange. regds MEL
70 Post contains links Abrelosojos : Great pictures on IC's website ... surprised they are so quick about updating it. I really think it looks good ... check out the picture of the 319 ta
71 Blrsea : Good Find!! Some of the pictures are hi-res images too!
72 Jaysit : That really is a fantastic livery, bold and very sharp. Even the word "Indian" looks good in the Devanagiri script. IC really got it right.
73 Malaysia : All righty! a new Fly I hehe A319 and I name :P and independence....
74 HAWK21M : Whats the Aircraft arrival schedules for 2005 & 2006. regds MEL
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