AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3891 times:
So we're going back to September 10th 2001 again? We needed to relax the rules a bit, but this may not be they way to do so. They could have let lighters back on, or relaxed the shoe searches, but letting sharp objects back on is not the solution.
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ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3879 times:
Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter): This is good news, finally their stupid idiotic rules are starting to be loosened up!
Now, if I could leave my SHOES on when I go through security that will something to appreciate.
""Though the new list of prohibited items hasn't been finalized, certain sharp objects won't be on it, the official said, including scissors less than 4 inches long and wrenches and screwdrivers less than 7 inches long.
Air Transport Association spokesman David Castelveter said the industry has been briefed on the plan and supports it.""
Ha Ha Ha . . . not finalized yet. Hell, the TSA hasn't finalized anything since they came to be an entity . . . I would imagine it will be months - MONTHS - before the "list" is finalized . . . and then of course, when it gets to the field, there will be a thousand interpretations of said list, and once again (rather, stil) no consistency in the infamously inconsistent (and useless might I add) TSA screenings.
Screwdrivers less than 7 inches long and scissors less than 4 inches long. Sure, why not. I could do as much damage with my Mont Blanc as that screwdriver . . .
Remember - watch out for those Grandmothers with their knitting needles!
"What we believe, as does the TSA, is that we should be focusing on what poses the greatest risk," Castelveter said
Well, no crap?
Do you think perhaps the TSA light bulb might finally illuminate??? Even dimly? Actually start paying attention to what matters?
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1): So we're going back to September 10th 2001 again? We needed to relax the rules a bit, but this may not be they way to do so. They could have let lighters back on, or relaxed the shoe searches, but letting sharp objects back on is not the solution.
Somehow I don't think a Scissor will be enough to break open the cockpit door.
Furthermore, a broken glass bottle is far more dangerous as a personal weapon and those have always been allowed onboard.
Wdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3866 times:
I think preventing access to the cockpit is really all that truly needs to be done. Small pocket knifes are not going to do any harm to the flight, no more harm thatn a strong person grabbing someone by the neck and breaking their neck.
Box cutters are a nono as not even kids under 18 are allowed to buy them here in the states. Toe nail clippers pose no real threat too. As long as those items cannot make its way up to the cockpit I believe all is safe. Big knifes.... are a nono, have a rule like no more than for inches.
MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3703 times:
Seriously, a nice thick piece of paper in the proper hands (a glossy magazine cover will do) can do a lot of damage if you hit someone, say, on their neck. Little scissors for hair/nail trimming won't do jack. It just adds time to the security check line, wear out the screeners, and "cries wolf" to the point where if there is a real threat, they might just ignore it or pass it off as "oh, another one".
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
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Certainly this is going to free up their time to break more locks on locked baggage and ramage through pax personal belongings - just for the fun of it?
I was not impressed when I finally got to Chicago and found my locks broken and my suitcase in disarray, after I rechecked it at IAD on arrival into the States. For heavens sake, the suitcase went through security in SYD and JNB without any alarm! It must have been the little bag of washing powder and huge pile of dirty laundry that raised the alarm....
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DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
They should be allowed on board. No one will be commandeering an aircraft with scissors in today's era of commercial aviation. The traveling public and flights crews will no longer be threatened by scissors.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3558 times:
Why do people feel the need to bring scissors, tools, or knives on a plane in the first place? Leave all that sh*t at home. Bottom line; when people start showing up at the airport with less crap the lines will go faster. Thus the less crap the incompetent TSA has to look at during screening the faster screening will be.
AAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3541 times:
Quoting FLY764 (Reply 11): I don't think letting sharp objects like scissors on board is good at all. Yes, it will still be hard to get into the cockpit, but what about other passengers and the F/A's?
Those other passengers will likely give the unruly passenger a thorough beat down. The terrorist would be lucky to survive the passenger onslaught.
Quoting 4Left (Reply 12): 1. Who brings a screwdriver onboard and why?
2. Same for scissors?
Well, lots of mechanics fly aboard aircraft that are traveling to repair specialized equipment, hence it is quite logical that a person of this occupation would want to have a screwdriver and/or other tools onboard. Why would this person want to take it onboard as opposed to check it you may ask? Well, just like other business traveler's, the tools of their trade are very important to them and they don't want to run the risk of a checked bag not showing up on time. This type of traveler is actually quite common.
Scissors...a million flying grandmothers out there want to knit, sew, crochet, do needlepoint, etcetera and they would very much like to have their scissors with them. Again, if they tried anything foolish, they'd be lucky to survive the other passengers attacking without hesitation.
Common sense is finally starting to make it's way back to the post 9/11 screening checkpoints. Thank goodness.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3527 times:
The American government and another idiotic and ill planned decision. I guess Bush, and Mineta have decided that we need to pretend that we are living the date 10-September, 2001 all over again. Unfortunately, if something happens again, we have no one to blame but the powers that allowed these objects back on the planes again. Bad move America... Bad move!
Goaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
I work on computers every now and then inside the sterile area of the airport. I can't bring any tools with me, even tho I don't have a boarding pass. This will definately help me out if they actually do decide to allow things like screwdrivers and hex wrenches through.
That will be much easier than trying to hunt someone down to escort my tools through, or hoping someone in the computer office has the tools I need handy.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3324 times:
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 17): The American government and another idiotic and ill planned decision. I guess Bush, and Mineta have decided that we need to pretend that we are living the date 10-September, 2001 all over again. Unfortunately, if something happens again, we have no one to blame but the powers that allowed these objects back on the planes again. Bad move America... Bad move!
You have obliquely touched on one of my concerns. Not that I am concerned about any of the items now allowed on aircraft.
Let's say something does happen, and a passenger takes his 7 inch screwdriver and rushes the cockpit. Even if the passenger harms no one and does not penetrate the door, what will be the result of the passenger's action? A PERMANENT ban on all these items that have been recently re-allowed to fly. A permanent ban is what the government has wanted (it's in the patriot act)....it is the public outrage that has forced them to recede a little.
Sounds like they may play another thesis, antithesis, synthesis manuever...in order to cast these silly cartage rules in stone, once and for all.