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TSA To Allow Scissors And Tools Again!  
User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/...on_go_ca_st_pe/passenger_screening


This is good news, finally their stupid idiotic rules are starting to be loosened up!

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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3980 times:
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So we're going back to September 10th 2001 again? We needed to relax the rules a bit, but this may not be they way to do so. They could have let lighters back on, or relaxed the shoe searches, but letting sharp objects back on is not the solution.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
This is good news, finally their stupid idiotic rules are starting to be loosened up!

Now, if I could leave my SHOES on when I go through security that will something to appreciate.

""Though the new list of prohibited items hasn't been finalized, certain sharp objects won't be on it, the official said, including scissors less than 4 inches long and wrenches and screwdrivers less than 7 inches long.

Air Transport Association spokesman David Castelveter said the industry has been briefed on the plan and supports it.""


Ha Ha Ha . . . not finalized yet. Hell, the TSA hasn't finalized anything since they came to be an entity . . . I would imagine it will be months - MONTHS - before the "list" is finalized . . . and then of course, when it gets to the field, there will be a thousand interpretations of said list, and once again (rather, stil) no consistency in the infamously inconsistent (and useless might I add) TSA screenings.

Screwdrivers less than 7 inches long and scissors less than 4 inches long. Sure, why not. I could do as much damage with my Mont Blanc as that screwdriver . . .

Remember - watch out for those Grandmothers with their knitting needles!

"What we believe, as does the TSA, is that we should be focusing on what poses the greatest risk," Castelveter said

Well, no crap?

Do you think perhaps the TSA light bulb might finally illuminate??? Even dimly? Actually start paying attention to what matters?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
So we're going back to September 10th 2001 again? We needed to relax the rules a bit, but this may not be they way to do so. They could have let lighters back on, or relaxed the shoe searches, but letting sharp objects back on is not the solution.

Somehow I don't think a Scissor will be enough to break open the cockpit door.
Furthermore, a broken glass bottle is far more dangerous as a personal weapon and those have always been allowed onboard.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Ahhh the effficiency and power of big government at its best!

This was a silly rule from day 1.

It is almost as stupid as extra screening for one way passengers.



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I think preventing access to the cockpit is really all that truly needs to be done. Small pocket knifes are not going to do any harm to the flight, no more harm thatn a strong person grabbing someone by the neck and breaking their neck.

Box cutters are a nono as not even kids under 18 are allowed to buy them here in the states. Toe nail clippers pose no real threat too. As long as those items cannot make its way up to the cockpit I believe all is safe. Big knifes.... are a nono, have a rule like no more than for inches.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Glad to see a little bit of the silliness ending. Perhaps I won't be hassled for 20+ minutes whenever the Terrorist Support Agency notices my 5 inch hemostat -- which is 25-30% of the time.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
This is good news, finally their stupid idiotic rules are starting to be loosened up!

Ah crap, just after they confiscated my Swisscard (Even after I left the knife insert at home)



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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
Somehow I don't think a Scissor will be enough to break open the cockpit door.

No, but you can do some mean paper cutting and shock people with intricate origami... Big grin


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Seriously, a nice thick piece of paper in the proper hands (a glossy magazine cover will do) can do a lot of damage if you hit someone, say, on their neck. Little scissors for hair/nail trimming won't do jack. It just adds time to the security check line, wear out the screeners, and "cries wolf" to the point where if there is a real threat, they might just ignore it or pass it off as "oh, another one".

Stupid rules...


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
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Certainly this is going to free up their time to break more locks on locked baggage and ramage through pax personal belongings - just for the fun of it?

I was not impressed when I finally got to Chicago and found my locks broken and my suitcase in disarray, after I rechecked it at IAD on arrival into the States. For heavens sake, the suitcase went through security in SYD and JNB without any alarm! It must have been the little bag of washing powder and huge pile of dirty laundry that raised the alarm....  sarcastic 


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User currently offlineFLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

I don't think letting sharp objects like scissors on board is good at all. Yes, it will still be hard to get into the cockpit, but what about other passengers and the F/A's?

User currently offline4Left From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

1. Who brings a screwdriver onboard and why?
2. Same for scissors?

Are they someone's binky?



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

They should be allowed on board. No one will be commandeering an aircraft with scissors in today's era of commercial aviation. The traveling public and flights crews will no longer be threatened by scissors.


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Why do people feel the need to bring scissors, tools, or knives on a plane in the first place? Leave all that sh*t at home. Bottom line; when people start showing up at the airport with less crap the lines will go faster. Thus the less crap the incompetent TSA has to look at during screening the faster screening will be.

User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 11):
I don't think letting sharp objects like scissors on board is good at all. Yes, it will still be hard to get into the cockpit, but what about other passengers and the F/A's?

Those other passengers will likely give the unruly passenger a thorough beat down. The terrorist would be lucky to survive the passenger onslaught.

Quoting 4Left (Reply 12):
1. Who brings a screwdriver onboard and why?
2. Same for scissors?

Well, lots of mechanics fly aboard aircraft that are traveling to repair specialized equipment, hence it is quite logical that a person of this occupation would want to have a screwdriver and/or other tools onboard. Why would this person want to take it onboard as opposed to check it you may ask? Well, just like other business traveler's, the tools of their trade are very important to them and they don't want to run the risk of a checked bag not showing up on time. This type of traveler is actually quite common.

Scissors...a million flying grandmothers out there want to knit, sew, crochet, do needlepoint, etcetera and they would very much like to have their scissors with them. Again, if they tried anything foolish, they'd be lucky to survive the other passengers attacking without hesitation.

Common sense is finally starting to make it's way back to the post 9/11 screening checkpoints. Thank goodness.

Best Regards,
AAgent



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Whatever, just tell me when they get rid of these idiots.  Wink

Private Companies with good training being overseen by the government - the way to go  Wink



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

The American government and another idiotic and ill planned decision. I guess Bush, and Mineta have decided that we need to pretend that we are living the date 10-September, 2001 all over again. Unfortunately, if something happens again, we have no one to blame but the powers that allowed these objects back on the planes again. Bad move America... Bad move!

KAHALA777


User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Remember - watch out for those Grandmothers with their knitting needles!

Yes, because they may knit an Afghan.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 18):
Yes, because they may knit an Afghan.

Good One!

 yes 


KAHALA777


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 18):
Yes, because they may knit an Afghan.

 rotfl 

I'm not quite sure I like the idea of small knives being allowed on again, but other than that I suppose I'm fine with it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

I work on computers every now and then inside the sterile area of the airport. I can't bring any tools with me, even tho I don't have a boarding pass. This will definately help me out if they actually do decide to allow things like screwdrivers and hex wrenches through.

That will be much easier than trying to hunt someone down to escort my tools through, or hoping someone in the computer office has the tools I need handy.


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 17):
The American government and another idiotic and ill planned decision. I guess Bush, and Mineta have decided that we need to pretend that we are living the date 10-September, 2001 all over again. Unfortunately, if something happens again, we have no one to blame but the powers that allowed these objects back on the planes again. Bad move America... Bad move!

You have obliquely touched on one of my concerns. Not that I am concerned about any of the items now allowed on aircraft.

Let's say something does happen, and a passenger takes his 7 inch screwdriver and rushes the cockpit. Even if the passenger harms no one and does not penetrate the door, what will be the result of the passenger's action? A PERMANENT ban on all these items that have been recently re-allowed to fly. A permanent ban is what the government has wanted (it's in the patriot act)....it is the public outrage that has forced them to recede a little.

Sounds like they may play another thesis, antithesis, synthesis manuever...in order to cast these silly cartage rules in stone, once and for all.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
It must have been the little bag of washing powder and huge pile of dirty laundry that raised the alarm.... sarcastic

I think they were going to try to do your laundry for you, but couldn't get the washing machine to work.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 14):
Why do people feel the need to bring scissors, tools, or knives on a plane in the first place? Leave all that sh*t at home.

I'm sure mechanics and other people who have to carry that stuff for their jobs would love to hear you say that. Some people have to travel "on the job" and need some of that stuff with them.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
Somehow I don't think a Scissor will be enough to break open the cockpit door.

No, but they are effective at cutting peoples throats, as we already know  Sad

This whole rethink is a bad Idea.

Let us leave the current restrictions as they are, but also allow us to wear shoes again thru security.


Thanks


Lee



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25 Supa7E7 : Remember the shoebomber? FYI, you are *never* supposed to lock your suitcase flying in the USA. Doing so will guarantee a detailed search. Also, outs
26 Post contains images SA7700 : I am so glad that you put TSA standards between hyphens. IMHO there are lots of other countries that had higher security standards pre-911, than the
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Permanent ban my . Permanent asswhipping from the other 100-200 passengers aboard that flight. This is post-9/11, let 'em give it a try, see how long
28 RAMPRAT980 : I am not wasteing my energy on this thread. Enough said
29 Access-Air : Yes, And some one could also hurt someone with a plastic fork or knife.... You could easily stab someone in the eye with it or inflict nasty cuts...Ho
30 Wdleiser : Nice terminology about stepchildren! What if they someone stabs a passenger? But also, what if someone goes and grabs a passenger by the neck and twi
31 Turnit56N : ....and it's not just grandmothers. I know a lot of FAs and some pilots that like doing embroidery on trips. It's a popular past-time that doesn't ta
32 Airfoilsguy : My grand father has an antique gun collection. Should he be allowed to bring that in the plane so he can polish them. Come on people your hobbies can
33 DeltaGator : Florsheim, Johnston & Murphy, and French Shriner all offer "airport friendly" shows. I wear them every week and pass through with no problem. I could
34 ANCFlyer : Don't read more into my post than was said . . . I don't think anyone needs screwdrivers or anything of the sort on a plane . . . I was only respondi
35 Wdleiser : The government does not want to hear about stories of racial profiling. The "guv'ment" does not want any more bad pres than it already has. (which is
36 Goaliemn : You, apparently, have never had luggage lost.. I play hockey. I've had my gear lost many times while traveling. If I have time, I ship some of my gea
37 DeltaGator : Probable threat is what I should have said. Thank you for correcting me. Of course the probable threat is the stereotypical Arab as a terrorist. I ha
38 ANCFlyer : And we have a WINNER! We should be taking lessons from the Israelis. And screw who we offend. Don't like it, don't fly. I carry a badge and have more
39 VS747SPUR : I do not agree with this at all. I still think any sharp blade/edge whatever size can put an aircraft in danger. Although some small blades might not
40 Goaliemn : First class has gone back to metal knives.. plus someone can do quite a bit of damage with a pen, or with just their hands if they are well trained..
41 Jetdeltamsy : I completely disagree. Screwdrivers, scissors, wrenches and other like items serve no purpose being carried in a passenger cabin. And with more and m
42 Wdleiser : Well, there was an AA flight where there was a fire above the cabin, and a man with a pocket knife was able to saw through the ceiling which enabled
43 Scbriml : Please don't forget who perpetrated the second worse terrorist act on US soil.
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