SA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
Hello I was just wondering if anyone could confirm the rumour that Air NZ will be starting direct flights to JNB in the next year. I believe it will be one of their new 777. Can someone confirm this for me please thank you. Apparently going to fly over the south pole.. Thank you
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11310 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
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Wasn't there a rumor a while ago, that if JNB was going to happen then it would be via PER. Just wait till an announcement IF IT HAPPENES as we all know what rumors are like
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2916 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2956 times:
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That would be a wonderful rumor. However, has anybody clarified beyond reasonable doubt what is going to happen with the QF / SA codeshares from JNB-PER and JNB-SYD? I know that the SA codeshare with CX to HKG is on it's way out; while OS, OZ, NH, NZ, TP are already in or on their way into codeshares with SA.
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Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Quoting SA744 (Reply 6): Just heard that Thai airways are on there way into JNB
on again / off again / on again ........ ??????
Quoting SA744 (Thread starter): Hello I was just wondering if anyone could confirm the rumour that Air NZ will be starting direct flights to JNB in the next year. I believe it will be one of their new 777.
even if ETOPS 330 were granted they would still need to do a detour to off the direct track to fit the rules - I think we can safely say , for now at least , that AKL-JNB would require a quad . would love to see an SA 340 in AKL - but I think the market is more than adequately covered via SIN/KUL/PER/SYD
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SA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
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Quoting SA744 (Reply 9): OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.
I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10): I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.
hmmm, wonder how much of a penalty the diversion required to keep a one stop AKL-PER-JNB within acceptable ETOPS limits on the PER-JNB sector would be ?
It could potentially free up SA a/c for a return to JNB-SYD using their own metal
Just thinking out loud with absolutely no source to back me up ...... sure to be shot down in flames .... interesting idea though
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SA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2484 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10): I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.
Thank you NZ1 will be great to have a direct flight have family over there. So when the route does open will it be a direct flight?
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Quoting SA744 (Reply 12): Thank you NZ1 will be great to have a direct flight have family over there. So when the route does open will it be a direct flight?
I'd say direct but not non-stop, personally i'd say via PER.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2439 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 11): hmmm, wonder how much of a penalty the diversion required to keep a one stop AKL-PER-JNB within acceptable ETOPS limits on the PER-JNB sector would be ?
....Just thinking out loud with absolutely no source to back me up ...... sure to be shot down in flames .... interesting idea though
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14): It would either be AKL-PER-JNB or AKL-SYD-JNB.
Wow , I must be finally getting better at this - after all the weird and wonderful ( but probably not economically feasible) new route suggestions I have made since joining Anet I finally come up with something that gets the seal of approval from two of my most highly respected users . of course , I will probably get egg all over my face again the next time I post something and someone points out a very good reason why it wont work - but I am going to enjoy the moment while it lasts
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PLEASE!!! lol, it would be nice having a bigger A/C on PER-AKL route!!, i think a 747 would have to do the PER-JNB because of etops as has already been said.
Does SA fly into PER? i dont think they do tbut can someone confirm
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
Quoting SA744 (Reply 18): Yes they do fly into PER with A342 code share with QF but fly SAA aircraft daily flight if im not mistaken
I thought usually 5x weekly increasing to 6 for the peak period (Dec/Jan)
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17): i think a 747 would have to do the PER-JNB because of etops as has already been said.
wouldn't take too much of a diversion to bring it within ETOPS 207 - less than 350nm by tracking a little North of the Great Circle and flying over MRU ( the shaded area is the no-go at 207 ETOPS) probably worth it in terms of putting a 'right-sized' twin on the route rather than a (too) big quad.
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SA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2319 times:
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 21): They do, good thanks for that wasnt sure as i know they did 2 years ago but hadnt seen them or heard them on perth ATC for a while
cheers
No probs mate i dont know if SAA are still using the "springbok" call sign.
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1774 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
Quoting SA744 (Reply 22): No probs mate i dont know if SAA are still using the "springbok" call sign.
Yer that could be why?? They were using it beginning of year but havent heard it for a long time.
Only ever seen SA's plane in once when i first moved to WA
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11310 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10): Quoting SA744 (Reply 9):
SA Czech Airlines">OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.
I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.
Maybe when SA joins Star then SA could code-share with NZ to JNB-PER-AKL flights using SA metel.
25 SA744: I dont how that will happen as i dont know if SAA has enough aircraft to do that.
26 SA7700: Should SA be forced to severe their ties with QF and end the codeshares on the JNB-PER and JNB-SYD route, it would benefit both SA and NZ if the flig
27 SA744: Maybe SAA needs to get their fleet sorted asap couple 0f T7 would be great and some orders for 748
28 Kiwiandrew: the problem is that AKL-SYD-JNB would either have to be a quad - or would require a substantial diversion to bring within current ETOPS limits. Bear
29 SA7700: Kiwiandrew Thanks for the info. BTW, welcome to my respected users list. Rgds SA7700
30 SA744: All seems very complicated but i suppose it is a long way from JNB so i suppose it will be about 14 hour journey flying time.
31 SA7700: It will be more than 14 hours. The current non-stop SYD-JNB flight takes 14 hours, sometimes a bit less when the headwinds are not too strong. If we
32 Ib16uk: Would / Could ANZ fly from SFO to LHR aswell as the LHR / LAX route
33 ANother: How about some lateral thinking .... Why can't TE (oops sorry, NZ) reschedule their AKL-PER flights to connect to SA's JNB-PER flights. NZ has unlimi
34 Kiwiandrew: although the current AKL-PER is on a 767 which , although a wonderful a/c , is bloody slow , hopefully a 777 would shave some time off
35 SunriseValley: Lets take a look at some AKL-JNB options. First assumption is that the winds westbound would be about -50knots. This is from a check of todays winds o
36 MotorHussy: They'd do best codesharing with an SA A340 on AKL-MEL-JNB. This would introduce a new route and provide a great alternative to passengers from Victori
37 NZ107: Do you think that the Super 12/14 has any impact on a decision to fly to JNB? It would be great for NZ teams to fly Air NZ to South Africa rather than
38 MotorHussy: Hell yes! I think sport is a great motivator for air travel and the Super 12/14 gets people moving. With some competition on this route, it may help
39 ZK-NBT: I always wonder why SA didn't pick up some 345's more for flights to the US, but maybe JNB-AKL non stop aswell. If say SA and QF stop code sharing the
40 Cslusarc: SA may have a unique opportunity to pick up 2 345s in the 2nd-half of either 2007 or 2008 when AC replaces them with 777s. Can you say NYC-JNB nonsto
41 SA7700: SA flew JFK-JNB non-stop in the past with B744's and the A343E. It became a daily one-stop, in both directions, via DKR during the course of 2004. SA
42 SA744: Yeah i think SAA cant afford to buy anymore Aircraft at the moment i think SAA are in a shambles at the moment with all the reshuffling. The fact tha
43 SA7700: They leased 3 of the brand-new A343E's to Jet Airways. Rgds SA7700
44 SA744: WOW i did not know that flip that is wierd I am not trying to start a fight here but SAA should have gone with boeing when they did the initial fleet
45 MotorHussy: Can't with the T7's ETOPS retrictions, but an SA A340 would have no issues on: JNB-AKL JNB-MEL-AKL JNB-SYD-AKL All are feasible and via MEL would be
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However, has anybody clarified beyond reasonable doubt what is going to happen with the QF / SA codeshares from JNB-PER and JNB-SYD? I know that the SA codeshare with CX to HKG is on it's way out; while OS, OZ, NH, NZ, TP are already in or on their way into codeshares with SA. 
of course , I will probably get egg all over my face again the next time I post something and someone points out a very good reason why it wont work - but I am going to enjoy the moment while it lasts 
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