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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

This was just posted on the NTSB's web site:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051117X01850&key=1

Nothing in the British Air Accidents Investigation yet:

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

and of course you all have seen this picture:


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I am hoping for some better days and profit coming soon!?

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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

Best part of it all is that they included the new colour scheme... Way to go US Air..Scareways... Looks like you are getting back to your safety record of the early 1990's.


KAHALA777


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

no, US Air lines/way is OK - it was Agony Air that was so awful -- US Air was actually OK for quite a while after it bought Piedmont -- but Agony Air, i.e., Allegheny, for those of us who lives on the east coast was to be avoided at all costs -- a bicycle with one tire was better

User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 2):
no, US Air lines/way is OK - it was Agony Air that was so awful -- US Air was actually OK for quite a while after it bought Piedmont -- but Agony Air, i.e., Allegheny, for those of us who lives on the east coast was to be avoided at all costs -- a bicycle with one tire was better

Arent we forgetting a few crashes such as:

La Guardia
Los Angeles


KAHALA777


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Wow, how predictable, a US Airways bash from Kahala.

A gear go-around and a compressor stall on takeoff... but then, you knew that. You just wanted to be an arsewit about two things that have already been discussed to death on this forum.

I'll give the thread starter a pass because perhaps he didn't see the umpteen threads that talked about these two incidents. KAHALA777 has no such excuse.

Pitiful  talktothehand 



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 1):
Way to go US Air..Scareways... Looks like you are getting back to your safety record of the early 1990's.

Ok man, do you not like US or something? Do you realize that the LGW incident was not as bad as people here are making it out to be, or the AMS incident was merely a compresser stall, or that US recently completed a test in which they scored a perfect score on the 720+ safety categories, the only airline to ever do that? Sure, US has its share of bad luck in the early 90's, but I can guarantee you that they had, and still have one of the best safety departments in the whole world. Their training is below nobody.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

Broken Record for a Broken Airline...

Proven facts are that US Air/Scareways has had one of the worst aircraft safety record of any US airline since 1990. Take a look at the other airlines and compare it to US Air/Scareways. There is a reason many here on the East Coast refer to US Air/Scareways as Amtrak in the Sky.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 3):
Los Angeles

Since ATC is operated by US.  banghead 

-SOAC



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 6):
Sure, US has its share of bad luck in the early 90's, but I can guarantee you that they had, and still have one of the best safety departments in the whole world. Their training is below nobody.

Are you saying that Emirates, British Airways, Qantas, EL AL, and Virgin Atlantic and their respective safety records are below US?

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 8):
Since ATC is operated by US

Guilt by Association! Public Perception!


KAHALA777


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
There is a reason many here on the East Coast refer to US Air/Scareways as Amtrak in the Sky.

I'm from the east coast. I never heard any of those terms before reading them coming out of your mouth. I'm thinking of a term that rhymes with bull of spit.

In any event, what kind of sick person does it take to make jokes about an airline's safety record?
Kahala777 (Reply 7):


[Edited 2005-12-01 02:44:22]


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Proven facts are that US Air/Scareways has had one of the worst aircraft safety record of any US airline since 1990.

Oh, I think I can name an airline that has had more crashes since 1990. *cough*AA*cough*

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
There is a reason many here on the East Coast refer to US Air/Scareways as Amtrak in the Sky.

*smile and nod*

-SOAC



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 9):
Are you saying that Emirates, British Airways, Qantas, EL AL, and Virgin Atlantic and their respective safety records are below US?

Their safety record, no. Their safety, they are even. (They are all the same nowadays)

-SOAC



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 9):
Are you saying that Emirates, British Airways, Qantas, EL AL, and Virgin Atlantic and their respective safety records are below US?

I don't think SOAC ever said that. His statement very well mean that US is on par with those airlines in terms of safety. Or is that a little too much for the brain to handle, Kahala77?

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):

Proven facts are that US Air/Scareways has had one of the worst aircraft safety record of any US airline since 1990. Take a look at the other airlines and compare it to US Air/Scareways. There is a reason many here on the East Coast refer to US Air/Scareways as Amtrak in the Sky.

Please, we would love to have a look at those facts...

These two incidents that ocurred were neither, serious or fatal, and as mentioned were discussed to death. Don't blow them out of proportion to fan your silly fire...



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
Oh, I think I can name an airline that has had more crashes since 1990. *cough*AA*cough*

Not counting 9-11-01!  sarcastic 

US Airways:

USAir
20 Sep 1989
La Guardia Airport
Boeing B-737-401

USAir / Skywest Airlilnes
01 Feb 1991
LAX, Los Angeles, California
Boeing B-737-300 / Swearingen SA-227AC

USAir
22 Mar 1992
La Guardia Airport, New York
Fokker F-28 Fellowship 4000

USAir
02 Jul 1994
Charlotte, North Carolina
McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30

USAir
08 Sep 1994
Near Aliquippa, Pennsylvania
Boeing B-737-300

USAir
29 August 1996
Chattanogga, TN
Boeing B-737-300

US Air Express/Air Midwest
08 Jan 2003
Charlotte, North Carolina
Beech BE-1900D

Entire Listing Since 1-1-1990
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Response2.asp

KAHALA777


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Air Midwest is not US Airways, but you knew that, being a "Former Airline Employee."

Since 1978, US Airways has had five fatal incidents. American Airlines has had four and United Airlines four - not counting 9/11.

Verdict: If you want to be safe, fly America West, jetBlue or Southwest. No fatal accidents for those airlines, ever.

[Edited 2005-12-01 03:00:40]

[Edited 2005-12-01 03:01:36]


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

First of all,

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):
USAir
20 Sep 1989
La Guardia Airport
Boeing B-737-401

1989 is not 1990.


Secondly,

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):
US Air Express/Air Midwest
08 Jan 2003
Charlotte, North Carolina
Beech BE-1900D

Air Midwest is not US Airways.


Thirdly, did you try and look up AA. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Air Midwest is not US Airways

Guilt by association... What paint was on the plane?  Smile

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Thirdly, did you try and look up AA. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised

4 vs 5 .... AA vs US

No matter how many times US Air/Scareways repaints it will be the same old airline, just a few years later... It is TWA all over again!

KAHALA777


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

IMHO, not following the check list and getting close enough for the controller to see and to be concerned enough to say something is a very serious thing. A few times I did not get the 10,000 ft chime, which can cause some problems when the 3 chimes signaling imminent landing sound and the galleys are not secure. Granted, not like failing to put the gear down, but still has its of sets of problems.

An engine fire, while maybe not serious in terms of overall aviation safety, on an individual basis, how would you like the same captain that did not follow the "landing check list" not to follow the "engine fire/one engine out" check list.

I am not so sure these are comparable, but there was a serious breakdown in lots of aspects of flying when the gear is not put down. I do not know the details of course, but certainly the GPWS and/or the configuration alarm was chiming and/or talking. If that was not happening, there was some other problem with the aircraft. What was the other pilot doing not to notice either?

Sorry, I searched and did not see a topic on this subject.

M


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

That US Airways aircraft did NOT experience an engine fire. It had a COMPRESSOR STALL. Compressor stalls dump unburned fuel out the back, which ignites in the hot exhaust. It looks really neato but it's not dangerous at all.

FFS, people, if you're going to act like you know what you're talking about, make sure you know what you're talking about.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
There is a reason many here on the East Coast refer to US Air/Scareways as Amtrak in the Sky.

East Coast? Your profile says you're from HNL and work in Hotels. I'm beginning to think you're nothing more than a fake... and from the maturity of your posts most likely about 12 years old. Now give mommy her credit card back and stop applying for forums. Do you actually like any airlines, or just rip on US and SA)">UA to get your jollies?

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 9):

Guilt by Association! Public Perception!

Public Perception, yes. But that doesn't make USAirways itself unsafe, so you're wrong.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):

I'm from the east coast. I never heard any of those terms before reading them coming out of your mouth.

I actually have, but only from my aunt, from CMH, who was like US DM Platinum Elite until her large company decided to stop flying US after their customer service struggles about a year ago.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):

USAir
08 Sep 1994
Near Aliquippa, Pennsylvania
Boeing B-737-300

That was Boeing's (actually Parker Hannefin's I believe) fault by faulty design, not US's. You can try to tell me I'm wrong there, but I think I know, I knew a victim personally. See also the SA)">UA accident in COS, but now you can bash SA)">UA too.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):


USAir / Skywest Airlilnes
01 Feb 1991
LAX, Los Angeles, California
Boeing B-737-300 / Swearingen SA-227AC

ATC's fault isn't US', once again, you're wrong.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):

US Air Express/Air Midwest
08 Jan 2003
Charlotte, North Carolina
Beech BE-1900D

Air Midwest is Mesa, not US proper. And as has been the theme, once again you're wrong.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 19):
That US Airways aircraft did NOT experience an engine fire. It had a COMPRESSOR STALL. Compressor stalls dump unburned fuel out the back, which ignites in the hot exhaust. It looks really neato but it's not dangerous at all.

This particular one may have not been "dangerous," but COMPRESSOR STALLS vary. The post wasn't about engine fires vs COMPRESSOR STALLS, but assimilating the need for and use of check lists.

So, in regards to acting like I know what I am talking about, I do. (act anyway)

M


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5693 times:
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If an incident/accident is not attributable to an airline's internal practices (maintenance, operational, etc) then no basis exists for declaring that airline more or less safe than any other.


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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
East Coast? Your profile says you're from HNL and work in Hotels. I'm beginning to think you're nothing more than a fake... and from the maturity of your posts most likely about 12 years old. Now give mommy her credit card back and stop applying for forums. Do you actually like any airlines, or just rip on US and SA)">UA to get your jollies?

You're the one sounding 12. The above paragraph was un-called for.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
I'm from the east coast. I never heard any of those terms before reading them coming out of your mouth. I'm thinking of a term that rhymes with bull of spit.

I'm not from the East coast and I've heard US Scareways alot... not to mention America Worst.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 23):
I'm not from the East coast and I've heard US Scareways

I live on the east coast and I've never heard that

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 23):
not to mention America Worst

That's good  rotfl 



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 18):
IMHO, not following the check list and getting close enough for the controller to see and to be concerned enough to say something is a very serious thing.

Now, now, let's look at the facts here.

The controller issued a "go-around" procedure to the US crew. Looks dangerous, BUT, if the crew had plenty of time to contact the controller back, AND request that they continue with the landing, AND have time to put the gear down (which I think takes about 10 seconds on a 767), AND not have the no-gear down warning blaring in their hears (that is something hard to miss), AND have the controller rescind the "go-around" request, AND re-clear the plane for landing....then I think the situation was not that serious. Besides, that 767 had 3 pilots that probably have a combined 80 years of experience.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 17):
4 vs 5 .... AA vs US

Not including 9-11, AA has had 7 fatal crashes since 1979, and many, many more non-fatal incidents/crashes than US.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 22):
If an incident/accident is not attributable to an airline's internal practices (maintenance, operational, etc) then no basis exists for declaring that airline more or less safe than any other.

Exactly.

-SOAC



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25 Tornado82 : I don't care... I'm not the one unrightfully bashing US or UA on every single post I make here on A.net. I don't like US, admittedly, for reasons irr
26 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : Oh no, not you and PHL again. Haha, I am going to have to steal those phrases from you for future use. -SOAC
27 Tornado82 : "F me in the A" connection isn't my phrase though. I forget who used it here on A.net before me, I just adopted it. "PHelL" is mine though, and "Flig
28 SonOfACaptain : Such a humble man lol. I hear he's lurking. -SOAC
29 PlanesNTrains : Uh, I think if you read just a sampling of Kahala's posts, you'll see that he mixes a generous amount of flamebait into almost every one. I'm not exa
30 PlanesNTrains : Just a quick example - just reading through another thread about US Airways and the new colors, and this was Kahala's wonderful contribution: Quoting
31 Post contains images JetMaster : Oh - did that happen on purpose? Anyways, the vast majority of travellers doesn't care about paintschemes. Did I miss a recent crash or anything else
32 Post contains images TinkerBelle : That is hilarious and original.
33 Tornado82 : I sent him a nice long PM a few weeks ago, asking when he has ever contributed positively to a thread instead of just beech-ing about me personally,
34 Supa7E7 : The facts are that US Airways (East) has the highest score EVER issued by the FAA for maintenance safety. Never equalled by any airline, AFAIK. Also,
35 Post contains images Tornado82 : Well, at least all those layoffs/furloughings had one positive effect. Tell that to the poor guys with 17 or less years though. Such is today's econo
36 TWA902fly : You guys this is stupid i am pretty sure that anyone slightly educated would fly any airline that flies within the United States, without feeling unsa
37 Apodino : Off topic, the F me in the A connection is no longer a problem, since they now run the shuttle bus from F to C, and another shuttle bus from F to A. S
38 Bobnwa : Are you saying that the lowest seniority pilot for US Airways(East) has 18 years with the company? I find this hard to believe. Are you sure you don'
39 A330323X : Believe it. The junior mainline US Airways pilot has a 1987 hire date.
40 TPASXM787 : This is all rubbish from Kahella as usual (notice how he left the thread). My g/f's dad is a pilot for US and has flown the B737, 762(Piedmont then US
41 Ca2ohHP : Two words...GROW UP. I wouldn't expect less from you. First of all, engine failures on takeoff are more common than you would believe. Flight crews a
42 ChiGB1973 : "This is being investigated by the British Air Accidents Investigation branch as a serious incident." There are many aspects of this incident that ar
43 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : True to form, Kl777jfk/LHR001......
44 Vega : First for the more scientifically inclined, my ID has nothing to do with a car. Vega is the name of a .03 magnitude STAR in the Constellation Lyre. S
45 Tornado82 : Astronomy wasn't my realm of study in the sciences because I found it boring, but ok, point taken. I'm more interested in the clouds that cover up th
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