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Official CX Orders 16 777-300ER Plus 20 Options  
User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 830 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16892 times:

Finally they have done it.

The airline has made commitments for 16 advanced wide-body Boeing 777-300ER aircraft with purchase rights for 20 more.

It also made commitments to acquire three Airbus A330-300s to operate regional routes.

The 777-300ER's will be acquired through a combination of 12 direct purchases from The Boeing Company and four operating leases from International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC). The three new A330-300s will also be acquired via operating leases from ILFC.

The 777-300ER will be powered by General Electric GE90-115B engines and the Airbus A330-300 by the Rolls-Royce Trent 700. The 16 777-300ERs will be delivered between September 2007 and July 2010. All three Airbus A330-300s will be delivered in 2008.

Cathay Pacific's fleet currently totals 95 aircraft. Its long-haul fleet comprises 22 Boeing 747-400, 15 Airbus A340-300 and three Airbus A340-600. The regional fleet comprises 16 Boeing 777-200/300 and 26 Airbus A330-300 aircraft. The airline also operates 13 Boeing 747 freighters.

http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/ab...utcx/press/0,,31342-132261,00.html

[Edited 2005-12-01 09:59:50]


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User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16862 times:

Official link?

Great news for the 777 program.



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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16799 times:

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 1):
Official link?

Congratulations to CX, Boeing and Airbus.

It is interesting to note that 5 out of top 10 world's best go for 773ER. Hope the rest will follow soon, Particularly QF.

http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/aboutcx/press/0,,,00.html

Cheers

[Edited 2005-12-01 10:02:26]

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16740 times:

congrats for both boeing and Cathay pacific... as they already stated earlier, it will be the leading aircraft in the fleet wich will replace the A340-300's (also think 600's at the end) and 747-400's....

although airbus plans to come with a much better A340-600, by the time they have designed it the 777-300ER will be even better... thus the fact that it has 2 engines makes it cheaper for maintenance.... the 777 won in this sector..


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16679 times:

Great news for CX. However I still like the 2 seats that Airbus offer over the 3 in a Boeing.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4135 posts, RR: 90
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16633 times:
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Finally! Great news for Cathay Pacific and Boeing. The 773ER is having a great year, Improved performance statistics since EIS have given the program a massive order boost.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16549 times:

Great news for Boeing indeed!

Cheers, Konstantin G


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16513 times:

Does this mean a strategic change?
Long haul on two engines? If the 340 goes this will be the case.
To add: no hardware differentiation from singapore airlines on longhaul.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16459 times:
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Way to go Boeing and CX. Now when will boeings annoucement come?

User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16456 times:

AC is already the precedent in replacing quads (A340s) with their B777 order.

User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16408 times:

Fantastic news wonder if they will replace 343/744 on JNB route with 773

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16301 times:

Great news!

So I wonder what the main routes will be and what sort of seating configuration they will have?


User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16282 times:

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 2):
Particularly QF

Agreed!

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16206 times:

This is definitely great news for the 777-300ER program!

Rising fuel costs and improved fuel efficiency will make the -300ER even more appealing.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

This is great for the 777-300ER program. Like the 777-300, Asia-Pacific is turning out to be the primary market for the 777-300ER.
EK, QR, AI, PK, 9W, SQ, CX, BR, JL, NH and maybe QF.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15974 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 14):
This is great for the 777-300ER program. Like the 777-300, Asia-Pacific is turning out to be the primary market for the 777-300ER.
EK, QR, AI, PK, 9W, SQ, CX, BR, JL, NH and maybe QF.

That is a pretty impressive list of carriers, isn't it?

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 7):
To add: no hardware differentiation from singapore airlines on longhaul.

Differentiation is fine as long as it isn't going to increase your cost of owning and operating aircraft or as long as it brings additional revenue.



ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15865 times:

I´m disappointed. Should they replace the 744 on the FRA route with the ugly long sausage CX has just lost a client.

User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15852 times:

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 7):
To add: no hardware differentiation from singapore airlines on longhaul.

Think SIA has a few A380-800s on order that should fly by the time those 777-300ER join CX's fleet.

Great news for Boeing and Cathay. The 777-300ER is truly an early 747 replacement and comes close to being a 747-400 one.



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User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15747 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 16):
Should they replace the 744 on the FRA route with the ugly long sausage CX has just lost a client.

I don't think this should come very soon. My guess would be that the 747-400 will fly to FRA until at least 2010 due to the slot problems FRA is facing. If CX biggest bird will turn out to be the 773ER(which we don't know), yes then after 2010 i think we can expect the 773ER. In my opinion, the 773ER is a beautiful airplane anyways but thats just personal opinion.

Cheers, Konstantin G


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

Looks like the A340 is indeed on the green mile at Cathay Pacific.

So the fleet will look like 777-300ER/777-300/777-200/A330-300 in a not too distant future. I'm a bit surprised they are adding A330-300s rather than 777-200s though. A330s must have been dirt cheap.

Remains to be seen whether they will buy a few 747-8 Intercontinental or A380s although I really only see LHR as being a candidate route.

Yet it seems they have decided to go the frequency way since they're adding a 4th daily run on LHR these days. 4 daily 777-300ER surely can fill in for 2 daily 747-400 and 2 daily A340-300. Guess they think they can grow with even more frequency in the future.



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User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15468 times:

Congrats 777-300ER, Cathay, Boeing and ILFC. I would really like to know what goes on in the final 2 weeks of an aircraft procurement process at an airline. It must be crazy.

UAL747-600


User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15337 times:

I don't think the A330-300s were "dirt cheap" as quoted by BrightCedars. If you refer to any CX related articles involving the A330 you will note that they are very happy with this aircraft.

The A330 provides CX with ideal economics on routes throughout the Asia Pacific region as well as from memory, excellent belly cargo capabilities for night-time cargo only flights.

Anyway, congratulations to Boeing on securing this order for the B777-300ER which has proven to be an ideal aircraft for long haul operations.

[Edited 2005-12-01 14:10:49]

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 19):
Remains to be seen whether they will buy a few 747-8 Intercontinental or A380s although I really only see LHR as being a candidate route.

FRA would also need one. When I flew CX744s they were always full.


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15283 times:

I wonder if any of the optons will be for the 772???

User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15275 times:

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 9):
AC is already the precedent in replacing quads (A340s) with their B777 order.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, SQ took the first step by replacing their A343s with B777-200ERs back in 1999.



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25 RayChuang : When CX gets the 777-300ER, I expect them to replace the 747-400 on all non-transpacific long-range flights except HKG-LHR. The 744's will then be ass
26 Post contains links DAYflyer : Another link form the newswires: http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt...eed=dji&date=20051201&cat=INDUSTRY Great news, but I was a little surprised th
27 Atmx2000 : It's just a supplemental order, not a replacement or major expansion order.
28 Post contains images Zeus419 : >> Great news, but I was a little surprised they didnt order the A-350 or 787 and went for the 330 instead. Was this expected?
29 FriendlySkies : Don't get your hopes up...3 airplanes is just an add-on as was already stated. They have (at least publically) no plans to replace the 777-200A/A330-
30 SKA380 : Couldn't agree with you more !
31 NYC777 : I believe that CX in 2 to 3 years time will be looking at replacing the 772/A330s with the 787/A350. Look for another order then. Boeing may have the
32 USAF336TFS : Congratulations to Cathy Pacific, Boeing and Airbus. But the big winner here is GE, who has made a significant inroad into what is traditionally a big
33 Post contains images RedChili : In my opinion, it's far more likely that CX will get rid of their B772 than the A343. The A343 is a far more important part of their fleet than the B
34 FlyingHippo : CX loves A330s for their regional routes. Regional routes in Asia are mostly high density, medium range routes, which is perfect for A333, even bette
35 Post contains images Atmx2000 : What routes do they need them on? As far as I knew, ULH aircraft were not on the horizon for CX. Yes, I'm sure those 3 leased A330s are a huge indica
36 N79969 : I hope I get a chance to visit Everett, Washington again in the next couple of years. The sheer variety of 777 customers will make the ramp by the Boe
37 UAL747-600 : So why is CX going to lease 4 777-300ER's and buy 12. Is that because ILFC has access to earlier available production slots? UAL747-600
38 FlyingHippo : Same could be said about CX has a lot of 777 pilots ready to jump into 787 as well, I believe the transition was 5 days? After reading a few more rep
39 MauriceB : In my opinion, it's far more likely that CX will get rid of their B772 than the A343. The A343 is a far more important part of their fleet than the B7
40 Jakob77 : They don't need a 10k+ nm aircraft. A 773ER can basically fly everywhere they want from HKG. With this 773ER order, CX is already set on setting the
41 RedChili : Actually, the B772 is not used on any domestic routes. It's mostly used on routes to India and the Middle East. The A333/A359 would have almost the s
42 AirFrnt : I remember that some of the analysts were saying that this was going to be the easiest order (out of CX, QF and SQ) for Airbus to land since CX alread
43 Jakob77 : CX doesn't have any "domestic routes" much like SQ doesn't neither. Even though HK is part of China, HK and China are 2 totally separate entities whe
44 Post contains links B2707SST : According to CX, Jakob is correct: “Whatever we choose will become the core of our long-haul fleet,” [COO Tony Tyler] says. “They will eventual
45 PM : Why? Otherwise Cathay wouldn't have bought them? These three make Cathay the second biggest (after NW) operator of the A330 in the world. They like t
46 PyroGX41487 : Im so glad boeing lovers aren't shoving any anti-A340 sentiment in anybodys faces. You guys are being really good about this. ^__^ Thanks, and CONGRAT
47 Post contains images Halibut : Absolutely ! Makes me wonder if having more GE engines in there inventory may increase the chases for CX to go for the 747-8 someday ? Halibut
48 Trex8 : will they go with 6 or 7 across for bizclass??
49 Post contains images DAYflyer : This is obviously why they ordered so many 777 today...they are an "unimportant" component of the fleet.... One would think so. That is likely the re
50 Freedom4all : Does anyone think this order will kill any chance of CX ordering the new 747-8??
51 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : And so it will if ANY long-haul plane goes: 744 are not twins either Aren't the 767 supposed to phased out before the 340? Explain me please how 333
52 Cruiser : Nope. First A340 will be leaving the fleet next fall (Fall of 2006) as the 777's will directly replace the A340's. Granted, some of the 762's may lea
53 Ikramerica : you are really lumping the 346 in there with the other, better proportioned siblings?
54 JZ : Excellent news for CX and Boeing. Wonder if CX will ever consider 787 in the future.
55 N1120A : The -600s are almost guarenteed to be replaced given that the 773ERs have longer range, are lighter, carry more passengers and cargo and burn less fu
56 RJpieces : Can the 773ER make it HKG-JFK nonstop? Will CX put the 773ER on this run to replace the 346?
57 Post contains images NW727251ADV : FINALLY!!! DAMN! Well Boeing finally got that cat out of the bag. Now for Mister Qantas. We'll have to wait and see. I love the 77W. Marvelous, magnif
58 JZ : Sure, looking at the Boeing website on 777 technical info, you can see 773ER can reach Manila from JFK, so HKG is certainly reachable from JFK.
59 Zvezda : HKG-JFK is easy. JFK-HKG is more challenging but, yes, the B777-300ER can do it. I hesitate to make any predictions about whether or not CX will orde
60 RAMPRAT980 : CO's 777-200 go EWR-HKG non stop
61 N1120A : The 787 is being built on a platform that can handle short haul, quick turn flights so it can replace 767s and A300s, as well as A330s. The 789 will
62 Post contains links CCA : Here is the BOEING press release if you're interested: http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/051201g.html
63 Post contains images Ikramerica : and 300ER has longer range and more cargo room than 772ER, so CX might have considered this before they purchased...
64 RedChili : Yes, he is correct, I've never said otherwise. But even if CX says that the B773ER will eventually replace the A343, I still believe that the B772 wi
65 N328KF : That's not quite accurate. It's more accurate to say that customers tend to prefer the 772B (primarily) or A333 (secondarily) over the 772A.
66 BoeingFever777 : Hell YES!!!! Its official.... CX bought more Boeing T7's! Great news for the 777 program, Boeing and CX.
67 Post contains images Glideslope : And the Train Keeps Rolling Along....... I wonder what the next big announcement will be........
68 NYC777 : QF is Boeings next stop. After that SQ but that's not until next year.
69 Post contains images LHUSA : I can see Boeing's headquarters from my office window and it looks like they are celebrating . The 777-300 must be one hell of a plane.
70 RedChili : You can phrase it in any way you want to, but the fact is that if an airline has a choice of either the B772A or the A333, that the A333 will win alm
71 N328KF : Do you realize how many customers have acquired the 772B instead of the 772A? SQ is a great example. I would go so far as to say that Boeing really d
72 Daron4000 : I think with this order, we will see some Asia 777's (minus a few in Japan) actually being configured with First Class, Business and Coach. Also, does
73 Post contains images MarshalN : Oh, I so want CX to offer a flight to BOS, even if just for seasonal flights... but it'll never happen Nevertheless, it's good to see new planes for t
74 N1120A : Except of course, unless the airline needs payload uplift or the ability to quick turn the aircraft. The 777 has proven itself on quick turns, namely
75 RedChili : The 772ER is irrelevant. The questions was concerning the A333 or the B772A (see reply 19). We're not talking about whether SQ wants to buy B772ER. W
76 N328KF : And what I am saying is that the 772ER is relevant, because competitions these days really pit the A333 vs. 772B. Airlines just don't consider the 77
77 RedChili : I do agree with you concerning this. As an armchair CEO, I would never buy a B772A today, but perhaps a B772ER. But still, the original discussion th
78 PlaneDane : You're right, RedChili, the A333 is the preferred aircraft in most cases compared to the B772A. Likewise, until recently, the A332 has been the prefe
79 Post contains images SthPacific787 : Give it away RedChili. You're fighting a losing battle (even a lost cause) on this one. Just accept it. The 330 will be following the 340 down that '
80 N79969 : I do not think you can really analyze it in isolation as you suggest. For a number of companies out there like BA, NH, SQ, JL, and UA, the 777A/777B
81 Dhefty : I'm glad to see that we are in agreement. There's always a first time! Skol!
82 Carpethead : Though not a new order, but NH has placed a couple of 772s into service this year. Japan is a rare exception that it uses 777s on really short-haul f
83 N1120A : Actually, while not used on ultra-short hauls, they are used in the US on medium hauls all the time by United
84 Dalecary : 773ERs will be delivered b/w Sep 2007 and July 2010. 333s will be delivered in 2008 was what i just read on PR newswire.
85 Aither : I really wonder about these (ultra) long range new routes some airlines like CX are targetting : Considering all the extra tons of fuel to carry and b
86 N328KF : You're forgetting that it costs fuel take off again and climb to cruise. That's fuel that you're not burning by staying in the air.
87 Aither : I'm not forgetting that and that's why my concern is for -very- long range flights. On such flights (range being variable depending on several factor
88 Ikramerica : GE doesn't even sell the 772A engines anymore, do they? The base engine they sell is the ER engine 94B. Does RR or PW offer the base engine? Either w
89 N1120A : GE can still make the GE-90 in lower thrust versions if a customer chooses All 3 do.
90 Abba : CX is quoted in South China Morning Post (SCMP) as saying that this was no replacement order. The 747 classic as the early models of the 747 were cal
91 United Airline : The B 777-300ERs will likely replace the 3 A 340-300s from SIA, as well as the 3 A 340-600s. But not the B 747-400s. Replacing 22 B 747-400s with 16 B
92 NZ107 : Which regos are these ones?
93 Dalecary : Don't forget the 20 options. 36 773ERs certainly replaces the 744s, some more and allows for growth. I still think there is every chance CX will shun
94 NA : Hardly thinkable. CX transports a lot of economy-passengers of which many will travel A380s in the future, which will be a more airy and superior air
95 Shenzhen : I tend to agree with your points in that it would make more sense since they have A330-300s. The only problem I see is the task of getting rid of the
96 Dhefty : Actually with Dijon and chips it's ausgezeichnet!
97 Post contains images CCA : The 777 cabin has an award winning interior, which is the benchmark which led to the new 744 interior and led airbus to improve theirs. 777 & A330 I'
98 TPEcanuck : This all sounds like ConcordeBoy's dream! Too bad he isn't around to share/rub it in people's noses about the success of the 777 versus the 340 of lat
99 Post contains images NA : I agree, next to a 747 or A340 the 773 looks like something from hell.
100 Jakob77 : The existing 773As in the CX fleet are already configured 3x3x in econ.
101 NW727251ADV : I often wonder how many people on A.net who make this accusation have ACTUALLY flown in a 773 with a 10-abreast layout. It seems to me from the numer
102 Post contains images SNATH : Dude, on a B737-300 with a 10-abreast config you'd probably have to stand sideways to ensure that there is enough space for another 9 people on your
103 NW727251ADV : LOL. You got me there. I corrected my mistake.
104 Post contains images BoomBoom : Fine, but it's the airlines who buy the jets, not the passengers. Do you always choose your flights based on how the plane looks from the outside? Th
105 RedChili : So I'm fighting a losing battle? Then tell me, how many A333s have been sold the last five years, and how many B772As? If you think that the battle i
106 N328KF : Yes, but you are attributing the death of the 772A to the A333, when, in fact, the 772B is what killed it.
107 Dhefty : They currently have a fleet of 19 passenger B747-400's. The first B747-400 (passenger version) was delivered in 1988, the last in 1995. Therefore, th
108 Abba : It to me seems as if CX do not want to make up their mind yet and therefore try to keep things going until the time seems right for them to make a mo
109 Jakob77 : Where is your source on this?
110 United Airline : They have around 21 at the moment. They bought a few second hand B 747-400s. And the plan is.... they plan to keep all the B 747-400s until they reac
111 Dhefty : You are obviously not considering flight attendants as part of the flight crew. If you did, you are wrong. If you didn't, then you could say the same
112 Abba : It should come as no surprise that they ask Boeing for the 748 and expressed interest in the beast as nobody want to be in a position where they only
113 Dhefty : No, I think their only consideration is to obtain the best product at the best total life-cost for the selected market served. CX is has now become a
114 RedChili : I have never claimed that the A333 killed the B772A. What I have said repeatedly is that most airlines today will prefer the A333 over the B772A. Tha
115 Boeing767-300 : With regard to an earlier post in this thread... What did happen to ConcordeBoy???
116 Abrelosojos : = Are you serious? So for the record ... you would ignore CX's excellent product because they are using the "ugly long sausage"? -A.
117 NorCal : I'm sure they will immediately cancel this order and instead order 340s just to appease you. Why on earth would they order a more efficient a/c when
118 N79969 : The A330 was available during the 1990s. I think you statement holds true in some cases but not all. I think there are examples that support and cont
119 Abba : Am I the only one that find this to be - what to say - something less than an expression of stringent and logical thinking? Now, dear Dhefty, before
120 Hamlet69 : Am I the only one that finds this to be - what to say - something less than an expression of stringent and logical thinking? I'd love to know what "i
121 USAF336TFS : No you're not the only one. As you know, Boeing has gone out of their way to give very , dare I say, conservative, estimates of their products perfor
122 N79969 : How is becoming the dominant aircraft across the Atlantic and the pioneer for ETOPS unfortunate? Educate us.
123 RedChili : If you're talking about the 1990s, then I agree that things went both ways. But in my posts I have repeatedly specified that I'm talking about the si
124 N79969 : I am saying that nothing has changed in terms of choice. However when it was time to choose, many airline chose the 772A over the 330. Anyway, I do n
125 Dhefty : In the beginning, God created the heavens for Boeing to control.........and on the 777, he rested.
126 Zvezda : A search will confirm that I'm very much an advocate of the advantages of twins over quads, but I cannot let the statement above pass unremarked. Unt
127 Widebodyphotog : And what a disaster that would be for Boeing. If the 787 only sells 969 aircraft in six new build versions, including a freighter, changes the way th
128 Gigneil : I do continue to find this position interesting. There's nothing inherent in the argument of "twins vs. quads". The 777/787 just happen to be twins a
129 Dhefty : But there seems to be mighty few of them. In 2005, the percentage of quad-powered passenger aircraft seems to have fallen to an extremely low level.
130 CCA : I prefer on the 7th day God built the A330 on the 8th day he traded it in for a 777.
131 Dhefty : Don't be toulouse with the word of the Lord....
132 Zvezda : Au contraire. Dispatch reliability and IFSDs. If Boeing had made the B777 a quad, there is still a good chance it would be a superior plane in econom
133 Abba : I see - you do not have one single clue as to what the words "logical" and "stringent" means as I did not (differently from Dhenfy) did not make any
134 Post contains images Cruiser : Well, condsidering that Boeing still has almost two years until EIS, I am sure that they will get it sorted out. In fact, Airbus a couple of weeks ag
135 Abba : The fact that I am no fan of Boeing does not mean that I am fan of Airbus! Strange kind of logic that you have! I do not consider this industry a bal
136 BoomBoom : Source?
137 Post contains links Abba : There are quite a few. Here is one from September 2005 (fourth last paragraph): http://www.orientaviation.com/pages/.../05_09/OA_V12N10_champion_A380
138 BoomBoom : It says "The A380 is now only 1% over its working target weight." "working target weight," can someone parse that sentence for me?
139 Post contains links Abba : As used in the text, the term is used in relation to "original specifications". There are other sources that state that the 380 is no more than 1% ov
140 Elvis777 : Hollo Abba, I do believe that you are right on the money whne you quote that the whalejet is only about 1.5% overweight. A few months ago the excess f
141 Hamlet69 : Abba, if you are not familiar with the english language, then I apologize for the attack. In the meantime, perhaps you should look up the word "logic
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Official: KLM Orders 4 B777-300ER posted Thu May 18 2006 20:46:36 by KLMCedric
QF Orders up to 115 B787s (45 firm+20 options) part 2 posted Wed Dec 14 2005 12:16:53 by 777ER
Senior Official: CX To Order 16x 777-300ERs posted Sat Nov 19 2005 16:19:48 by Dab920
Official Numbers Of KL 777&330 Orders! posted Tue Aug 2 2005 16:38:58 by KLMCedric
AF Takes 4 More 777-300ER Options posted Wed Feb 16 2005 21:40:05 by AT502B
JAL Orders 50 737 Plus 30 Options posted Thu Feb 3 2005 15:19:25 by BlackKnight
Boeing 777-300ER Orders posted Tue Jan 13 2004 19:44:12 by 767-332ER