Eirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
With Gulf Airlines commencing it Dublin - Abu Dhabi tomorrow 2/12/05, and Aer Lingus possibly starting Dublin - Dubai in 2006, I was wondering what peoples opinions were on these new routes.
Over the last number of years most news of Dublin, in aviation terms, has being to do with low cost routes and FR.
Will the Gulf Air flight and future Aer Lingus expansion herald a new chapter in DUB history, are we likely to see EI develop greatly in the east (longhaul), do people think we will see more middle eastern and Asian airlines serve DUB - Emirates, Singapore Airlines etc.?
Aviation has a 100% record, we've never left one up there......
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
One of the key issues here is the the airport itself. DUB is not an attractive airport at the moment - overcrowding, no transfer facilities, no rail link to the city and now morning slots are getting constrained. Quality airlines like Emirates and Sinapore will not be very eager to serve such facilities when there are better airports to fly to first.
Also, where eastern originating flights are concerned, DUB is handicappped by being on the western extreme of Europe, furtherr from where many passengers would wish to transfer to (the continent). DUBs geographic advantage is in transatlantic flights which at the moment are not practical with a policy as anti-consumer as the Shannon Stopover.
Elagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
Quoting Eirjet (Thread starter): Will the Gulf Air flight and future Aer Lingus expansion herald a new chapter in DUB history, are we likely to see EI develop greatly in the east (longhaul), do people think we will see more middle eastern and Asian airlines serve DUB - Emirates, Singapore Airlines etc.?
On a hunch, I'd say that the market could probably support one or two, at a stretch three carriers & / or routes, but no more. My reasoning (which is entirely subjective) is as follows:
* Certainly a good number of Irish tourists visit Asia, but that is not normally high-yield traffic (although it is growing in volume). This means that there is only a limited sum to be earned in transfer traffic through the Middle East.
* As for O&D, higher-yield traffic to the ME generally consists of oil industry people and political / security personnel. Given the size of the Irish diplomatic corps, I expect the first category would represent the majority of such travellers originating at DUB. Here again, small market, although high-value.
* The VFR market to the Middle East from Ireland is growing but very small, and this group is both low-yield and more price-sensitive than convenience-sensitive. There are gobs of options available via transfer in the UK, not necessarily via Heathrow either; so ongoing traffic from BHR or DXB to populous Middle Eastern destinations, like THR, from DUB / SNN / ORK should be of negligible value currently (compared with the operational cost).
The bottom line is that the early bird gets the worm. If the Irish economy continues to grow, the market could eventually be big enough to support more traffic; but not in the next couple of years, surely. As for transfers to the USA, there are already plenty of options - even without ULR flights, such as Royal Jordanian's, direct to JFK / ORD / DTW. Moreover, see below:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 2): DUBs geographic advantage is in transatlantic flights which at the moment are not practical with a policy as anti-consumer as the Shannon Stopover.
I agree with you 5x5. I'm hoping and praying that the upcoming US - EU Open Skies agreement will put paid to this ridiculous economic (and environmental) black hole.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3646 times:
Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 1): I sincererly hope it does. The amount of times I have had to transit through bloody Heathrow and waste time is a complaint shared by a lot of other long haul passengers departing from Dublin.
Yep, I totally agree. Having to go via Heathrow to get to a variety of destinations is a real pain. Great for Aer Lingus' DUB-LHR flights though! Still, it adds a lot of travelling time. That said, you can get to most of Europe on EI at the moment, which is nice, and for exceptional prices if you book smart.
Quoting EI321 (Reply 2): One of the key issues here is the the airport itself. DUB is not an attractive airport at the moment - overcrowding, no transfer facilities, no rail link to the city and now morning slots are getting constrained.
It really is a bad airport. Very small, and the transport links to and from are really quite poor. I don't see this changing in a long time, as Dublin is still busily reworking infrastructure to cope with the amount of people living here now...
I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13166 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3542 times:
Strangely, Aer Lingus is looking at the idea of getting people to connect from Dubai through to the US, via DUB. Now, the EI flight from DXB arrives in at 5.20 and leaves for JFK at 10.30 ... five hours at Dublin. Okay, it's an option - if you're desperate, but so many airlines offer so many more attractive solutions and EI has no IFE to speak of. I sincerely hope EI is going to raise its service game for the new route - and indeed, across the board.
It's also been reported (by ABTN) that Emirates is seriously re-evaluating Dublin as a route; they should have gone into Dublin from DXB before GF did from Bahrain and it's unlikely either GF or EI would have gone up against them. They blew that chance, but they can do well on it; it is actually very important for Ireland that they do. Much as I want to see EI succeed in Asia, they have very limited opportunities for connections at DXB without EK. EK would give us access to a huge number of new routes.