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Gulf Air And DUB  
User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

With Gulf Airlines commencing it Dublin - Abu Dhabi tomorrow 2/12/05, and Aer Lingus possibly starting Dublin - Dubai in 2006, I was wondering what peoples opinions were on these new routes.

Over the last number of years most news of Dublin, in aviation terms, has being to do with low cost routes and FR.

Will the Gulf Air flight and future Aer Lingus expansion herald a new chapter in DUB history, are we likely to see EI develop greatly in the east (longhaul), do people think we will see more middle eastern and Asian airlines serve DUB - Emirates, Singapore Airlines etc.?

Eirjet


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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

I sincererly hope it does. The amount of times I have had to transit through bloody Heathrow and waste time is a complaint shared by a lot of other long haul passengers departing from Dublin.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

One of the key issues here is the the airport itself. DUB is not an attractive airport at the moment - overcrowding, no transfer facilities, no rail link to the city and now morning slots are getting constrained. Quality airlines like Emirates and Sinapore will not be very eager to serve such facilities when there are better airports to fly to first.

Also, where eastern originating flights are concerned, DUB is handicappped by being on the western extreme of Europe, furtherr from where many passengers would wish to transfer to (the continent). DUBs geographic advantage is in transatlantic flights which at the moment are not practical with a policy as anti-consumer as the Shannon Stopover.

[Edited 2005-12-01 11:39:13]

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Does anyone know what time Gulf Air get into Dublin?

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting Eirjet (Thread starter):
Will the Gulf Air flight and future Aer Lingus expansion herald a new chapter in DUB history, are we likely to see EI develop greatly in the east (longhaul), do people think we will see more middle eastern and Asian airlines serve DUB - Emirates, Singapore Airlines etc.?

On a hunch, I'd say that the market could probably support one or two, at a stretch three carriers & / or routes, but no more. My reasoning (which is entirely subjective) is as follows:

* Certainly a good number of Irish tourists visit Asia, but that is not normally high-yield traffic (although it is growing in volume). This means that there is only a limited sum to be earned in transfer traffic through the Middle East.

* As for O&D, higher-yield traffic to the ME generally consists of oil industry people and political / security personnel. Given the size of the Irish diplomatic corps, I expect the first category would represent the majority of such travellers originating at DUB. Here again, small market, although high-value.

* The VFR market to the Middle East from Ireland is growing but very small, and this group is both low-yield and more price-sensitive than convenience-sensitive. There are gobs of options available via transfer in the UK, not necessarily via Heathrow either; so ongoing traffic from BHR or DXB to populous Middle Eastern destinations, like THR, from DUB / SNN / ORK should be of negligible value currently (compared with the operational cost).

The bottom line is that the early bird gets the worm. If the Irish economy continues to grow, the market could eventually be big enough to support more traffic; but not in the next couple of years, surely. As for transfers to the USA, there are already plenty of options - even without ULR flights, such as Royal Jordanian's, direct to JFK / ORD / DTW. Moreover, see below:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
DUBs geographic advantage is in transatlantic flights which at the moment are not practical with a policy as anti-consumer as the Shannon Stopover.

I agree with you 5x5. I'm hoping and praying that the upcoming US - EU Open Skies agreement will put paid to this ridiculous economic (and environmental) black hole.


User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting Eirjet (Thread starter):
With Gulf Airlines commencing it Dublin - Abu Dhabi tomorrow 2/12/05

It's Bahrain - Dublin!

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 3):
Does anyone know what time Gulf Air get into Dublin?

BAH DUB 0150 0645 (Wed, Fri, Sun)
DUB BAH 0855 1855 (Wed, Fri, Sun)


User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 5):
It's Bahrain - Dublin!

Thanks LH121GLA, the press here mis-informed me.

Eirjet



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 1):
I sincererly hope it does. The amount of times I have had to transit through bloody Heathrow and waste time is a complaint shared by a lot of other long haul passengers departing from Dublin.

Yep, I totally agree. Having to go via Heathrow to get to a variety of destinations is a real pain. Great for Aer Lingus' DUB-LHR flights though! Still, it adds a lot of travelling time. That said, you can get to most of Europe on EI at the moment, which is nice, and for exceptional prices if you book smart.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
One of the key issues here is the the airport itself. DUB is not an attractive airport at the moment - overcrowding, no transfer facilities, no rail link to the city and now morning slots are getting constrained.

It really is a bad airport. Very small, and the transport links to and from are really quite poor. I don't see this changing in a long time, as Dublin is still busily reworking infrastructure to cope with the amount of people living here now...

Trent.



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Sorry to be picky, but as someone else pointed out, it's DUB-Bahrain, and on top of that, it's actually Gulf Air, not Gulf Airlines.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12431 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Strangely, Aer Lingus is looking at the idea of getting people to connect from Dubai through to the US, via DUB. Now, the EI flight from DXB arrives in at 5.20 and leaves for JFK at 10.30 ... five hours at Dublin. Okay, it's an option - if you're desperate, but so many airlines offer so many more attractive solutions and EI has no IFE to speak of. I sincerely hope EI is going to raise its service game for the new route - and indeed, across the board.

It's also been reported (by ABTN) that Emirates is seriously re-evaluating Dublin as a route; they should have gone into Dublin from DXB before GF did from Bahrain and it's unlikely either GF or EI would have gone up against them. They blew that chance, but they can do well on it; it is actually very important for Ireland that they do. Much as I want to see EI succeed in Asia, they have very limited opportunities for connections at DXB without EK. EK would give us access to a huge number of new routes.


User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
Much as I want to see EI succeed in Asia, they have very limited opportunities for connections at DXB without EK. EK would give us access to a huge number of new routes.

Where are EK with regard to Oneworld? I didn't know them to be particularly common codeshare partners, even, with anyone other than their newish quasi-acquisition UL (whom I'd like to fly sometime).  cloudnine 


User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 8):
Sorry to be picky

Apology accepted

Eirjet Big grin



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User currently offlineMetalinyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

I'm flying DUB-JNB on Fri 16th via Bahrain on Gulf Air. Look forward to it as not only first time on Gulf Air but first time on A330. I'll have flown on every Airbus type then.


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