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Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400  
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

Below is a link regarding Horizon Air and their Q-400's, as well as the pros and cons of regional jets vs. props:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/5368288p-4856427c.html

A couple points:
1) I find QX's Q200's and Q400's much preferable to RJ's on other carriers.
2) People don't seem to have a huge preference between the two in my experience. I think to someone that doesn't want to fly on a "small plane", a turboprop or a regional jet will be essentially the same in their eyes.

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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Thanks for the link. I love the Q400 and QX. Even the Q200 is great. I much prefer a flight on the Q200 over either a CRJ or an ERJ.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Boy, I thought it was well written article till he didn't do their research.

"where business isn’t profitable for Alaska to use 120-seat Boeing 737-300s." We have 733?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

I fully agree with Horizon. I wish more airlines would get behind Turboprops. I really love the Q400. I would hope that Air Canada Jazz would be next to place a major order. I think that's what they need to get the ball rolling for the Q400 program and hopefully get other carriers to pay attention.

What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 3):
What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?

The Q400's cruise speed (370 IIRC? vs ~420-~440 for an RJ?) basically negates (or so Bombardier claims) an RJ's speed advantage on short sectors (1 hour max, give or take 20 minutes). So the attraction of the Q400 lies in its ability to carry more people (seats 74) for a lot less fuel in about the same time on most "regional routes". Even 2 hours would be pushing it and the Q400 would best be used elsewhere. An RJ is more suited to long thin routes.

Plus, Bombardier touts its cabin comfort and active cabin noise supression system as huge selling points. They are basically marketing it as a high-capacity regional airliner that performs like an RJ, sounds like an RJ, and is more comfortable than an RJ, but doesn't have the RJ's high operating costs. I think they have marketed it extremely well in this respect, unfortunately they haven't gotten that many orders for it.

My perfect fleet mix, if I were starting from scratch, for a regional operation would be the following:

ATR-42-500's or Q200's (40-50 seats) for the short hops

Q400's (74-80 seats) for all medium capacity routes under 1 hour.

ERJ-145LR's (45-55 seats) for long thin routes between 1.5 and 3 hours

ERJ-175's (80 seats) for all medium capacity routes over 1 hour

-IR


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft?? I would assume so if they plan on expanding F9 Express, or if they want to fly on longer distance routes.

Anthony


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3177 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 5):
Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft??

RTFA.

More CRJ's aren't likely, as they just changed a bunch of CRJ-700s to Q400s. If anything, I'd expect further orders to be for additional Q400s.

Q400s are Bombardier aircraft.


User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 6):
Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft??

I believe QX already has options on a number of Q400's. Can anyone confirm this?


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Yes; 20 options. "SeaTac-based regional airline Horizon Air canceled commitments last month for new regional jets and substituted orders for 12 more Bombardier Q-400 turboprops. It also took options on 20 more of the 74-seat propjets." (From the article)


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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 3):
What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?

The Q400 pretty much negates the RJ advantage on stage lengths up to 400 miles. On stages longer than 400 miles, the flight will take longer on the Q400, however there can still be cash savings to operating the Q instead of an RJ on longer stage routes, up to 600 or 700 miles. QX's longest Q400 route, that I know of, is SUN-LAX, a distance of 604.9 nm. It could be used on solid regional routes with considerable cost advantages to current planes.

Texan



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 9):
QX's longest Q400 route, that I know of, is SUN-LAX, a distance of 604.9 nm.

What is SUN and how long is the duration of the flight?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Dforce1: 12 new Q400 w/ options for 20.I will look up the stage length when I get to work later. But we use them on LAX-BOI which is just about the same length.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 4):
Even 2 hours would be pushing it and the Q400 would best be used elsewhere.

Actually, up to 2 hours and the Q400 competes very well with RJs

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 10):
What is SUN and how long is the duration of the flight?

SUN is Sun Valley, Utah, a very nice ski resort that is popular with Southern Californians, particularly movie stars. Flight time is about 2 hours.



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User currently offlineAirline7322 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

N1120A- as a frequent visitor to Sun Valley, I'm afraid I have to correct you on one point in your latest post (post 12). Sun Valley is actually located in Idaho, not Utah. But you're entirely correct about it being extremely popular with Southern Californians and movie stars.


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