Bobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9334 times:
For an upcoming flight on AmericaWest I purchased three coach tickets for two people, and selected three seats together with the intention of keeping the middle empty.
The problem is that I made up a non-existent passenger name for the middle seat. Now I'm in a panic because I realized that was a dumb thing to do. The non-existent person will be a no-show and they can put a standby passenger in that seat. The ticket does not allow name changes so it's too late to get it back in my name.
Will I be allowed to keep the middle seat that I paid for empty, or will the airline be allowed to resell it when there is no passenger for that seat?
VSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1900 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9189 times:
i always have to do this because i fly with my cello a lot, or used to anyhow.
i always booked two tickets in my name and called the airline immediately so they could put a note in because some airlines (F9) will cancel out your itenerary if there are two seats for the same person.
also, as far as i know, if you make up a name, and cant produce identification, then how would you expect to be granted a boarding pass, or make it past securitat is you print the boarding pass at home?
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3140 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9174 times:
Quoting VSLover (Reply 5): also, as far as i know, if you make up a name, and cant produce identification, then how would you expect to be granted a boarding pass, or make it past securitat is you print the boarding pass at home?
Make one in your name and one in another persons name, but do so under ONE reservation, so you can check in at an electronic kiosk with just your credit card or other magnetic-strip card. Anyways you print the boarding pass for you and your friend and since theres only one person you go through security showing only your ID and boarding pass not the other "persons", by this time youre at the gate, i guess the only problem would be actually "boarding" because if your friend isnt "boarded" they can give his/her seat away so you'd need to somehow swipe "his/her" boarding pass to have them be on board. That would be the only problem, everything else makes sense to me.
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Bobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9167 times:
I'm pretty sure I can get all three boarding passes since I paid for three tickets. But there won't be three people. At some point they will see an empty seat. Suppose they have a standby passenger willing to pay full fare?
BAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9091 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 8): I'm pretty sure I can get all three boarding passes since I paid for three tickets. But there won't be three people. At some point they will see an empty seat. Suppose they have a standby passenger willing to pay full fare?
If the crew do their job properly, then they will eventually figure out that there is one (non-existant) passenger missing and they will offload that person.
They won't realise this until the very last moments, by which time all stand by pax may already have been allocated a seat. If the flight is jam packed though, then you'll probably have a passenger grateful to be sitting beside you at the very last minute.
If I were you, I'd play dumb if the crew ask you where you travelling companion is. Just complain that he has done this before and boy, are you going to be angry when you catch up with him. Personally, I'd feel like far too much of an idiot to admit the truth of what I'd done!
You'll possibly get away with you cunning, but shoddily implemented, plan. But if the whole state is clambering to fly HP that day, the scenario where a standby passenger plonks themself in your middle seat will be unavoidable.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9069 times:
Money wasted. You would be okay if the reservation was made in your name, remember some airlines require large people to buy two seats, but otherwise if its a busy flight, and there are last minute stand-by's most likely non-rev's kiss your seat and money away. Once the outbound is cancelled so will the return.
Bobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9035 times:
The money isn't completely wasted. At least my empty seat will remain empty if they are not overbooked. If I didn't pay for the seat, it could be taken with less than a full flight. The fare is $140, not the end of the world.
There are currently 10 empty seats for a flight 3 days from now. Maybe I'll get lucky.
By the way, these are one-way tickets so I don't have to worry about the return being cancelled.
I'm planning to make a confession to the gate agent because I think they will at least hold my empty seat as long as they can. Is there really any reason for me to not confess and play dumb?
VSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1900 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8975 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 13): Is there really any reason for me to not confess and play dumb?
not that i can see. honestly though, i would just give the airline a call and explain the situation and they can at least make a note of it in your PNR and thus you wont have too much of an issue when you check in. bottom line is that they want your money, so they dont really give a damn who sits in that seat...oh and if you should have any issue with crew confronting you about that "extra seat" you be damn sure you stand firm--its yours, you paid for it.
once i had two tix, but ended up leaving my cello behind and they tried to move someone into the empty seat next to me. obviously i protested and that was the end of that conversation.
Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8888 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 13): I'm planning to make a confession to the gate agent because I think they will at least hold my empty seat as long as they can.
I think that's the best idea. This and VSLover's idea of calling the airline and having them put a note in your PNR. You can check-in the empty seat online but if it isn't boarded that seat is subject to being given away.
Here's the America West Contract of Carriage. It says, "All passengers must be present in the boarding area at least 15 minutes before scheduled departure or their reservations may be cancelled and will not be eligible for denied boarding compensation."
As others have said there are many people that buy two seats with only one individual travelling. Musicians do this all the time (VSLover as a great example).
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474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8809 times:
About 20 years ago Lady Beaverbrook (wife of Lord Beaverbrook) bought the entire first class cabin of an Air Canada L-1011-500 on a YYZ/LHR flight for herself, her sister-in-law and her dog. If you have the money anything is possible.
Speedbudgie From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8662 times:
I just flew from EWR-LHR on VS02 and was seated two rows behind a man and his cello. The cello was securely seated with it's seatbelt on for the duration of the flight. Perhaps you should take an instrument with you.
Lets see.... Be dumb, or play dumb? Well you've already been dumb by putting a fake name on a seat, why not go for both?
It seems to me like you've dug yourself into a hole that's now too deep for you to climbout, and by going to a.net, the only advice they have given you is to keep digging. My advice: Call the airline, tell them exactly what you did, that the seat you have is paid for (their computers will show this anyway) and that you only really booked it because you're an oversized pax wanting comfort (you can tell a little white lie here, they aren't gonna know until you show up at checkin, and again, you've already paid for the seat), let them sort it out. You paid with a credit card, right? If they say no and resell the seat, get the money back from your credit card agency.
ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8524 times:
Quoting Bobster2 (Thread starter): The problem is that I made up a non-existent passenger name for the middle seat.
IMHO you should contact the airline as soon as you can. Don't leave it to the last minute and don't leave it to when you show up at the gate. In the worst case they might even consider you to be trying something funny and may not even load you.
Issuing two seats is NOT an unusual practice for the airline and they know how to deal with it. But they need to know.
Cessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8484 times:
Ok, if you check in as your mystery passenger...
First, if you go to the gate and board the plane with your boarding pass and with your friend and theirs, those seats will be counted. Before the final call, if the passenger with the middle seat does not board, they will be considered a no-show, and then the seat will be open. That will allow anyone flying standby or any other passenger connecting to that flight without a seat the chance of sitting there.
So...you may not have the luxury of having the whole row to yourself.
SvenvdM From Qatar, joined Dec 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8459 times:
I don´t know which airport you`re flying from but Lufthansa in Frankfurt has self-service boarding turnstiles. So in addition to using self-service check-in you can simply "board twice" by reaching back over the turnstile with the second boarding pass, swiping it and moving the turnstile once.
Having said that it´s probably the easiest to simply call the airline and sort it out.
: cant u just ring the airline, say your 'friend' cant make it now, but you'd like to keep the seat?
: I saw on TV (Airline USA) where a man had to buy two seats because he was a large size. So yea, you can buy two seats and I presume under the same nam
: This topic is precisely the one I needed to maintain a firm position: No matter how smart computers are, you need humans to get in touch with to solve
: Purchasing an extra seat is a common enough practice.. What you'll have to do is contact the carrier.. explain the situation.. and they'll have to add
: What I fail to understand in this little scenario is why anyone would want to book an extra seat for any other reason than health. Why would anyone wa
: When people book an extra seat for a cello, the seat is not occupied by a passenger named cello, but the seatnumber is added to the passenger who is "
: But when people book business class seats, they do the same thing.. Instead of one business class seat, there could be 2 or more economy class seats.
: It's wasted money insofar as you can always buy an extra seat and it costs you only child fare (50%) and now you paid for an adult, who can't check in
: I guess it was his favorite Fender.
: Call the Airline.Explain the Situation & get your cash back. Never know the Flight might not be full. regds MEL
: Id just want to be sure I got 2 lots of ailrine miles
: All else fails, bring an inflatable "friend" Tod
: JBKO (AKA Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis ) would always purchase or have purchased for her the seat next to her whenever she flew.