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SIA- Why No Drug Warnings In Advertising?  
User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

With the execution this morning of convicted Australian drug smuggler Van Nguyen the question would seem to me.

Why is Singapore Airlines not providing travel warnings in all print advertising. 80% of the Advert for example could be for Krisworld with 20% for the message that is at Changi airport regarding death sentences for drug smuggling.

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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Maybe they're trying to seperate themselves from the 'bad' side of Singapore? I don't think they'd like passengers onboard their planes to know that they can be executed.......makes sense for SIA to be neutral and to just fly the pax in assuming the pax have researched Singapore themselves.
How bad is this execution going to be for SIA, especially in the australian market?

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlineKen4556 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10996 times:

Maybe they think people have a brain and do not need to be told smuggling drugs from country to country is illegal.

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10991 times:

Any airline I have flown to Changi verbally warns prior to landing of "severe penalties of drug smuugling into Singapore". At least CX and SQ does.


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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1282 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10972 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 3):
Any airline I have flown to Changi verbally warns prior to landing of "severe penalties of drug smuugling into Singapore". At least CX and SQ does.

But what if you already have the drugs with you? Isn't that warning a little too late?



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

Uh, people need to remember that these are illegal drugs EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD (basically, anyway). Since when can you carry heroin? I mean, does it really matter if you'll be executed instead of, oh, sitting in jail for 30 years? Why do they need to advertise explicitly?

User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

It is not SQ's policy. It is the government of Singapore's policy and laws.

If, for some bizzare reason, SQ would include that information in their advertisements, then other carriers should too. Or, point out that murder is also a potential capital punishment draw.

IIRC, Thailand also can impose the death penalty. Or Vietnam? I remember hearing similar verbal warnings on arrival at somewhere else in SEAsia.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 4):
But what if you already have the drugs with you? Isn't that warning a little too late?

Don't people also dump illegal food products in trash cans?

Anyway, you must be a moron anyway to carry heroin to another country as has been said in this thread.



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User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10909 times:

I can see it now: A Singapore Girl in her sarong kerbaya, walking down the aisle in Raffles Class warning viewers about "execution by hanging", then seemlessly transitioning and extolling the virtues of the spacious and luxurious Spacebed.  Yeah sure

Seriously though, why would any company put negative information in an advertisement meant for mass media? The message that execution is the punishment for smuggling goes to a very limited audience. Putting such information in ads, where hundreds of thousands of people would see it, would tarnish the image of the company.

Besides SQ does warn about severe penalties for drug smuggling during flights. As do other airlines (MH and VN) where the death penalty is the sentence for drug smuggling.

SQuared


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

It's really simple

Its not SQ's fault. Why should they (SQ) be tarred with a negative brush, which would make some pax uncomfortable (innocent ones) and apprehensive about transiting in Singapore, when its completely out of their hands and nothing to do with them.

Think about it, how many innocent travellers would be worried that 'somebody may try and slip drugs in their luggage to get them past customs'... and because of that, thing, oh... lets go via some other place instead of singapore. SIA misses out on business then, for something it has no control over or part in?

But yes, this is going to be bad for them, SIA in particular, in the Australian market. Expect very strong Australian hostility towards all singaporean interests, at least for a while.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10850 times:

1. Singapore Airlines is majority owned by the Singapore Government
2. Singapore Airlines is in effect the de facto International airline of Australia
It is built up off the Australian market with a very high market value.
2. Singapore has turned a blind eye to Burma a major drugs producer.

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 5):
Why do they need to advertise explicitly?

Why is it a problem if the anti drug smuggling messages are constantly reinforced in this instance?
The Australian government I would of thought need to take a very tough stance over the next few weeks to insist on far greater levels of warnings.

I'm not sympathetic to Nguyen at all and Singapore has effectively turned him into some kind innocent young man in the Australian media.
But having said that it is very easy for young people to do stupid things like this. Lots of major drug criminals want to pay young people to run drugs across borders.


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10803 times:

Quoting SQuared (Reply 8):
Besides SQ does warn about severe penalties for drug smuggling during flights. As do other airlines (MH and VN) where the death penalty is the sentence for drug smuggling.

Upon landing Malaysia Airlines makes announcement about the death penalty in Malaysia for drug smuggling. At least there's some time for anyone who are stupid enough to carry them to flush it down the toilet and clear customs.

I have no pity to those who play the 'innocent' game for not knowing the local laws, hard drugs are illegal anywhere on earth so how can one be dumb enough to smuggle them?


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 10):
Singapore Airlines is majority owned by the Singapore Government

Wrong, the largest share holder is Tamasek Investments, which is the government investment agency. The Singapore government has no say in the strategic or daily running of the airline. If you do a little research, you will also see Tamasek is also a major investor in the utility industry in Australia and has significant investments in several countries.

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 10):
Singapore has turned a blind eye to Burma a major drugs producer.

Perhaps you could elaborate? I think you may have been hoodwinked on that one!


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Maybe this is what happened to SingaporeAir?

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10732 times:

Royal Brunei Airways publishes the following note in it's inflight magazine "Muhibah" (May/June 2005, pg9):

DRUG WARNING

The trafficking and illegal importation of controlled drugs are very serious offenses in Brunei Darussalam. The penalty for such offenses is death.

AMARAN

Mengadar dan membawa masuk dadat terkawal secard haran adalah kesalahan yang amat berat di Negara Brunei Darussalam. Kesalahan sedemikian membawa hukuman mati.

Maybe SQ should consider something to this effect.


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

As a person from Western Europe, I do not need to be told that murder carries a possible death sentence in the USA or that drug smuggling can get you executed in a number of Asian and Middle Eastern countries. Any person intending to carry out a crime of that magnitude should be left to do the homework themselves! I would agree with warning passengers if a normally legal activity is deemed illegal in a given county (ie drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia), but apart from that - don't do the crime if you can't do the time!


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User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Singapore has overtaken the US to become the largest foreign investor in Australia, with assets totalling A$32 billion.

Australians who want to boycott Singaporean interests in the country would have to avoid the following:

Singapore Airlines, the largest International Airline in Australia
Rex Regional Express
Optus, the second largest telecommunications company
Mayne Healthcare Group
AustraLand, a major property developer (you can go to www.australand.com.au and look at their list of property throughout Australia)

Queen Victoria Building in Sydney
Chifley Tower in Sydney
The Strand Arcade in Sydney
Galeries Victoria in Sydney
(The above buildings are very prominent landmark buildings in Sydney)

Shangri La Hotel in Sydney
Westin Hotel in Sydney (One Martin Place. Incidentally, at least three buildings in Martin Place are owned by Singaporean companies)
SP Ausnet, formerly TXU which owns Victoria's and South Australia's power and gas infrastructure and probably provides power to Mrs Nguyen's family
Westin Hotel in Melbourne (16% of hotel rooms in Australia are owned by Singaporean companies)
Basically, Australians travelling to Europe will also have to avoid Qantas as most of their flights stop in Singapore and Singapore's airport will get landing fees.
Singapore's army base in Rockhampton pumps A$20 million into the economy yearly.

There are many other investments too, I can go on and on.

It would be very very difficult for Australians to distance themselves from commercial activity in the country that does not directly or indirectly involve a Singaporean company. Singapore Airlines alone carries A$1million of fresh produce out of Australia each day.

Anyhow, the Nguyen case is pretty sad. The law is the law and remember as a small nation we have a siege mentality and small-dick syndrome. Basically, as a tiny nation, we don't have a right to exist, which is why when pushed into a corner, as a nation, we usually react strongly.

However, I believe my govt could have handled this case in a more tactful manner and not have been so clinical about the whole thing. Definitely something they can work on.

We don't proclaim to live in a true democracy or have a free press. We traded those things for the highest standard of living in Asia after Japan.

Some of you may have issues with that, and western liberals cannot understand how a supposed dictatorship could produce an advanced, prosperous nation with an educated, highly productive people. That's the unwritten contract between Singaporeans and the govt: You run your business and deliver us a high standard of living, we'll mind our own business and you can quash political dissent for all we care, as we concentrate on further increasing our standard of living.

That's our demon to grapple with though, and it may come back to bite us in the future but alas I guess I've digressed too much!


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 1):
How bad is this execution going to be for SIA, especially in the australian market?

Will have virtually no effect. SQ are still considered best airline between OZ & UK (much better than QF although that wouldn't be hard).


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

Quoting KEno (Reply 11):
Upon landing Malaysia Airlines makes announcement about the death penalty in Malaysia for drug smuggling.

Warnings on the plane are utterly meaningless.

When countries such as Singapore and Malaysia have death sentences for drug couriers (I'm not questioning their right to do so) the airlines of these countries which are major beneficiaries of the Australian market should be forced to provide clearly read mandatory warnings in all advertising done in Australia.

Australians frankly shouldn't be wasting their time worrying about whether such a requirement is good or not for SQ or MH's bottom line.

Singapore and Malaysia rather than spending their time worrying about saving face should be providing basic consumer protection.
Pandering to China is one thing..... Singapore or Malaysia you've got to be kidding.


User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 15):
Some of you may have issues with that, and western liberals cannot understand how a supposed dictatorship could produce an advanced, prosperous nation with an educated, highly productive people.

With all due respect, DEMOCRACY is not flourishing in Western countries.... just look a bit to your west and India happens to be the world's largest democracy.

While I love Singapore, it is a city state and with a limited sized population. And as one taxi driver told me once... through fear you can accomplish a lot. It is true that Singaporeans are deciplined and the city is beautiful, however, all you have to do is look at all the signs around the cities that spells out fines for every little thing... and soon you realize that may be fear of being fined drives the entire place.

As the taxi driver said to me:
"It is fine to visit the country, but not fine for us who live here." Get it?

No doubt Singapore is a first rate city state, but let's not go overboard... it is still a dictatorship. Enough said.



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Simply put, your a dumbass if you take any drug onto any flight, especially an international one.

If we want warnings on flights, then how about warning everyone about flights to Egypt in fear of beheadment.

Singapore is one of the cleanest cities/countries in the world, they have a right to do what they want. I can make a good educated guess that their drug trade is just about the smallest in the world too.


User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10588 times:

Quoting Ken4556 (Reply 2):

Why are we even discussing this - he broke the law and was punished according to the law of the land!

I'm sure the SQ inflight magazine or the pre-landing video mentions something about the death penalty?


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10574 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 15):
Any person intending to carry out a crime of that magnitude should be left to do the homework themselves!

EXACTLY

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 18):
When countries such as Singapore and Malaysia have death sentences for drug couriers (I'm not questioning their right to do so) the airlines of these countries which are major beneficiaries of the Australian market should be forced to provide clearly read mandatory warnings in all advertising done in Australia.



Quoting RichardJF (Reply 18):
Singapore and Malaysia rather than spending their time worrying about saving face should be providing basic consumer protection.

You mean they should be required to provide consumer protection -- for the drug smugglers? You aren't serious are you? Why on Earth should drug smugglers be "protected" if they know what they're doing is illegal? Anyone with half a brain and old enough to carry this out will know what they're doing is against the law. If they can't figure out that where they're going it's going to be the death penalty, especially after this case that's so well publicized... well, too bad for them, really.

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 19):
As the taxi driver said to me:
"It is fine to visit the country, but not fine for us who live here." Get it?

No doubt Singapore is a first rate city state, but let's not go overboard... it is still a dictatorship. Enough said.

Hong Kong might be a sham democracy, but at least the place isn't run by fear  Smile


User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 241 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

I can't understand people who have any sympathy for drug runners. They are murderers pure and simple. Its one of the only things in my opinion that can justify the death penalty.

Anyway if Singapore Airlines had to advertise about the death penalty then surely ALL airlines should have to? Its not like they will only execute people from Singapore Airlines flights.



Bring out the gimp
User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10563 times:

i was out in lax the other day and say this piece on cnn on the large amount of australian youths being arrested overseas (a lot of them are in bali) for drugs charges. they were doing this news piece on some australian supermodel being arrested in bali. what is up with that? don't people know that smuggling drugs internationally is a no no? isn't that a common knowledge? do you have to be really dumb not to know that?


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25 Post contains links Mariner : Don't Australians have a duty to inform themselves about the laws of the countries they are visiting? And what Australian does not know about the law
26 TheSonntag : Last week we our law teacher said the following thing: Just because an act passes the parliament doesn't necessarily make it justice. Disproportionate
27 Halophila : Please forgive me here for not being up on the details, but this bloke ever clear customs? Or was he caught in transit at the airport (i.e. going fro
28 Singaporegirl : i don't really know much about politics. but if i'm not mistaken under general soeharto (who was a dictator), indonesia was a wealthier and even a sa
29 Kiwiandrew : why are warnings on the plane utterly meaningless ? I have landed in SIN and KUL on a number of occassions and have heard , and understood , the clea
30 Post contains images Lightsaber : Drug smugglers aren't like Mom and Pop buying a toy for Jr. There is no need for consumer protection of them. Heroin has one and only one reasonable
31 KL662 : I always liked the sign in CAI just before immigration that said (paraphrasing) "drug smuggling is punishable by $500,000 AND death."
32 Kiwiandrew : do they accept post-dated cheques?
33 HALFA : No they shouldn't. Give me a break! ONE Australian citizen smuggles 400 grams of heroin and is executed for his crime. He knew exactly what the risks
34 Post contains links Lightsaber : I just read more on this: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...000080&sid=an9ijUfXdevY&refer=asia $1.3 million in heroin?!? This wasn't small time!
35 RichardJF : Attn: everyone on here disagreeing with me. Oh...... your all talking a load of shit the whole lot of you. Your 21 year old son or daughter goes overs
36 Kiwiandrew : My sister was born in 1953 - so you would assume that in 2005 she would be 52 , that sounds reasonable , except she died in 1973 of a heroin overdose
37 ETStar : Do people only realize the seriousness of drug trafficking when flying into Singapore? Come on! If one decides to smuggle drugs, he/she does so agains
38 Lightsaber : I don't know any kids who have carried 26,000 doses through customs. I do know several who were ruined by drugs. Sadly, the one who died is much bett
39 Post contains images TPEcanuck : In terms of celebrating the upcoming new year, can we nominate this thread as of of the more inane, but enjoyable, A.net threads in recent weeks?! Luf
40 Nz777 : I have travelled to SIN many times for work and holidays (be it on SQ or NZ). I haven't seen any advertising relating to the death penalty within airl
41 HALFA : If my 21 year old son is not smart enough to know that smuggling heroin into Singapore is punishable by death, then he certainly is not smart enough
42 AsianFA : Tell that to my father n mother who lost a son to overdose of heroin addiction.Its people like Nyugen who r killing the young people by supplying the
43 LPLAspotter : The Philippines used to have warnings posted on their immigration forms that are passed out during flight stating that the penalty for drug smuggling
44 Manni : The same warning is written on immigration forms to ENTER Singapore, however anyone in transit not going trough Singapore immigration is not given an
45 TheSonntag : I couldn't agree with you more, welcome to my RU list! I read the case (there is a link in the non-aviation forum). What really gets me angry is the
46 Kiwiandrew : so if he murdered someone in the transit area that wouldn't be any business of the Singapore authorities either ? we can get away with criminal acts
47 TheSonntag : The law in Singapore states that IMPORTING drugs is punishable with death. He was in TRANSIT, so he DID NOT IMPORT. Of course, national law is applic
48 Kiwiandrew : so what you are saying is that instead of charging him with importation ( since he didn't import it into Singapore ) , they should have charged him w
49 Leskova : Applying the same principle - shouldn't UA, AA, CO and other US airlines warn people in their advertising that you can be executed for killing a perso
50 BAtriple7 : Definitely - a quasi-fascist state if there ever was one. Make money, keep yer mouth shut...... For a thoughtful reply see: [quote=TheSonntag,reply=2
51 RichardPrice : The transit area is within Singapore. He was within the transit area. The drugs were on him when he entered the country. He imported the drugs, regar
52 JoKeR : Dear Lord, then Saudi Arabian Airlines and Iran Air would have no place left on their pages to insert their commercial messages! What happened in Sin
53 TheSonntag : In that case you leave the transit area, thus you enter. He did not. And yes, this makes a difference...
54 RichardPrice : The transit area is already within Singapore and thus he is subject to the same laws as any other person within Singapore. You are just talking about
55 D5DBY : but some people that get caught with drugs are totally innocent. somebody have planted the drugs in their bags. I think there was an australian femal
56 Kiwiandrew : If you travel to ANY airport anywhere in the world ( or bus station / railway station ) never take your eyes off your bag - basic travelling common s
57 JeffrySkY : When I read this thread, some posts just reek of sheer ignorance. I am just thankful that there are still so many members like KiwiAndrew , HALFA , Ma
58 GeorgiaAME : The former druggie taking his eternal dirt nap could not have been the brightest bulb on the planet. I think even the Martians know that drug possessi
59 A350 : Frankly, when flying to Singapore, I would be a little bit scared that someone else could put drugs into my luggage, with the intention to steal it af
60 Airbus_A340 : "There is one VERY big sign in bold print as you pass immigration at Changi that states, clearly, in English, that the penalty for drug possession in
61 JoKeR : The movie "Bangkok Hilton" with Nicole Kidman deals with a similar occurrence, based on a true story...
62 Post contains images A360 : Maybe... but the graffiti problem is the price for having a free and democratic country like the US. Would you rather live in a dictatrorship with cl
63 MD80fanatic : Suitcases of the stuff routinely pass through airport check points all over the world...and it isn't the little "fish" like Nguyen that is making that
64 Atmx2000 : Clean walls don't require a dictatorship. A free, democratic state could choose to implement draconian policies to deal with grafiti.
65 DeltaGator : You hit the nail right on the head. Unfortunately personal responsibility called in sick today. The modern welfare state has begun to kill it off. As
66 FlyMeToTheMoon : I try to stay away from passing judgement on people but this one got under my collar. This is the absolute dumbest question I have evr read on a.net.
67 Gritzngravee : Maybe if some of you have seen or know anyone who is a heroine user your outlook on this matter would be very different. It is an awful drug a former
68 Scanorama : Why doesn't SIA show the warning? Because everyone knows trafficking is illegal? Common sense?? Singapore and other Asian countries are well known of
69 AeroPeru : I agree with the sentiments of many on this site that says that you need to personally responsible for your actions and have to be aware of the conseq
70 Windshear : I just still cannot see why Singapore would go ahead and strangle a young Aussie citizen?! In most countries we would try at help this kid, given that
71 RichardPrice : Firstly the smuggler was 25, he was no 'youth', he was a full blown adult with quite a few years of experience behind him. This wasnt a 'kid', someon
72 Windshear : Mr. Price don't argue with me on my view points in such a way please. I feel and view a 25 as a young man! I do not see his actions as being mature! E
73 Post contains links Cyclonic : Some thoughts: *I'm personally opposed to capital punishment in all but the most extreme cases, however, I do have to respect another countries laws,
74 Monkeyboi : I really feel for the family of this guy. But...... I think people need to take the responsibility to find out the consequences before deciding to tra
75 Col : Someone name me a country that is as safe as Singapore. Probably can't, so ask yourself why they don't have the drug problems in schools that we have.
76 Don81603 : The problem with carriers saying "Murder is punishable by death" in the US is that not every state has the death penalty, and even in those that DO h
77 ETA Unknown : why doesn't Air New Zealand list every criminal activity in their home country in their advertisements?
78 Gr8Circle : So, if you are arriving on a flight into SIN and you are carrying drugs and they announce onboard that you could be executed for that....you can leav
79 Post contains images DeltaGator : Because animal "husbandry" with the local sheep population isn't punishable by death and actually makes a good news story when someone gets caught at
80 Abrelosojos : = Richard - while I understand your being defensive at everyone and feeling attacked, your arguments seem self-defeating and the only point you have
81 Jetdeltamsy : i don't understand your point. you don't get a list of crimes when you enter any country. you are expected to know and follow the laws. and since drug
82 AIRCANL1011 : At the end of the day, most smugglers do no think they are going to get caught. If Van Nguyen had thought he was going to get caught he probably would
83 HS748 : Absolutely. Whilst I don't agree with the death penalty (as it's a punishment handed out by uncivilised societies) I don't think it's the responsibil
84 Nrcnyc : Should AA warn its' pax about the high death penalty rates in Texas before landing in DFW?
85 Post contains links Gritzngravee : Windshear, nicotine in cigarettes are just as addictive as heroine and they kill just like heroine and alcohol. Only difference is most people can fun
86 Windshear : Gritzngravee your comments sound fascist in my ears... Yuck! I cannot believe how many of you can think the way you do. I have not stated a single thi
87 AIRCANL1011 : The big difference is that these things are not illegal and that is the point here. Whether heroin is good or bad (most of us realize that is is bad)
88 Windshear : Good point AIRCANL1011! Boaz...
89 LH459 : One of the best posts of the lot! Many people don't realize that illegal drug trafficking is one of the most lucrative industries in the world! In fa
90 Pope : Let's not stop at drugs. Perhaps Singapore Airlines should also warn people not to carry bombs on board the aircraft. Or biological weapons. Or how ab
91 D5DBY : well... i agree with you.
92 Wdleiser : It seems like that at some airports, right before you hit customs, they give you a last ditch effort to dispose of any illegal items. Does Singapore n
93 Aviasian : I am a Singaporean . . . I have up to this point refrained from posting my response to this issue. But I feel a need now to add my view. For those who
94 Boysteve : Why is it 'bad' to discourage drug dealing? Exactly, thankyou, I agree Yes it is a bit late but if you have drugs with you then you are a stupid tit!
95 Windshear : D5DBY you agree with what? Aviasian my dear God you are talking to us about the perfect society, telling us why Nguyen Toung Van had to give his life
96 D5DBY : good post Aviasia! you live in indonesia and still you seem to have understanding and empathy for this "kid" and his family....that makes me happy.
97 IsuA380B777 : Compare to other countries, we have a lower rate of crime, but still the crime list is endless
98 RichardJF : I like Singapore and I'm very impressed by what they have done over the years to build it up and I'm not against the death penalty for known drug deal
99 LH459 : Hear Hear! Welcome to my ru list!
100 Windshear : D5DBY You call that empathy? I hear him say that the kid died to serve the greater good of keeping Singapore a cleaner place. Ok crew... I've come to
101 Aviasian : Windshear: Far from trying to achieve the "perfect society", I think we should acknowledge how imperfect our society is, and strive to make it less im
102 Rlwynn : Did this guy buy a round trip ticket from Australia and back? If so, he no doubt saw the sign with the big red letters on his way to pick up the heroi
103 SIN_SQ : "Do what the Romans do when in Rome". This famous phrase is very true in every country you visit. Like it or not, we all must respect every law govern
104 Ozglobal : What's the point of a high standard of living if you have no values to live out? Turning a blind eye to a sinister government who seemed to deliver e
105 QANTAS077 : that figure is grossly exaggerated...let's not piss about here with figures that the Singapore govt has used to beef up for it's own justification of
106 TheSonntag : I said a lot in this thread and in the other threads in the non-aviation forum. I will just shorty make a last statement: 1. I respect the right of ot
107 Sunandan : Being educated people, most of us would know that drug smuggling involves the severest of penalties (usually death) in most Asian countries. Why do we
108 AirbusDriver : A couple of points: The death penalty here in the US does not apply to all the murders, I think only to murder in the first degree like rape + murder,
109 MarshalN : One quick point -- have you not noticed that your standards are, in fact, quite arbitrary? Why is the death penalty applicable to a crime that killed
110 AirbusDriver : Who did He Kill? Young people do stupid stuff, I did when I was younger, it did not stop me from being a productive person and an airlines captain, H
111 MarshalN : While the first three descriptions might not fit you, the last one certainly does.
112 JeffrySkY : For a person who can't even differentiate between a country ( SINGAPORE ) and an airline ( SIA ) , I suggest you spend more time revising your elemen
113 PanAm_DC10 : Why the carrier? It's the Government's law. Each time I transit via SIN and clear customs and immigration I fill out a landing card. The bottom 20% o
114 AirbusDriver : In front of SFO,NYC,MIA,YUL,CDG,MAD,ROM,LON, ETC Why don't you give me whatever your smoking? Well better not you could get hang for that. I used SIA
115 QANTAS077 : this is where you fail to see the difference between a penalty and justice, a penalty is giving the person a sentence so that he can be rehabilitated
116 AirbusDriver : Couldn't have said it better myself
117 Abrelosojos : = Hahahahaha - are you serious? This is the funniest post I have read in a while. Your misplaced hatred is just sad - and as MarshalIN pointed out, y
118 JeffrySkY : As far as I am concerned, it's not a matter whether I have failed to see the difference between crime and penalty , but a matter of how you choose to
119 N754PR : Most of us are not THICK and know that carrying drugs is going to get you in serious dodo!! SQ is a perfect city in the few of the SIN government so t
120 QANTAS077 : it's nothing to do with his nationality, you tell me how justice is served when the state legally murders an individual? justice by definition is fai
121 Post contains images MarshalN : Sorry, but half the cities you listed are not going to be ahead of SIN in such votes. You should put HKG in there though Of course not, you're not ha
122 Blrsea : LOL!! What were his cirucumstances that forced him to smuggle 400gms of Heroin? Greediness? Thanks to the wide publicity given to this murder, other
123 QFA380 : I would like to know what you lot think. If someone lets say was at the airport in Singapore with drugs strapped to their body and saw a sign saying t
124 Monkeyboi : Does anyone remember a similar debate about ten years ago? It was regarding an american teen living in Singapore, the son of a diplomat. He was caught
125 MAS777 : With Malaysia - I think airlines are required by Malaysian Law to announce on arrival that the trafficking of illicit drugs carries a mandatory penal
126 Atmx2000 : Nazi Germany's "strong national identity" was ethnocentric and based around an ideology of racial supremacy. Singapore is a multiracial state. Wherev
127 Braybuddy : We walked through customs in Singapore on Wednesday with not a customs officer in sight. Could have smuggled kilos of anything through. They may have
128 RichardPrice : You might not have seen them, but be sure that they saw you. The vast majority of customs is done behind the scene.
129 MarshalN : Yup. The HKG customs people always look like they're decorations -- they never do anything, so it seems from my personal experience. I have never bee
130 Ozglobal : If you only have that cosmetic distinction to make, I'll happily rest my case with your material endorsement. And before anyone has a shot, I'm happy
131 Wdleiser : My question again is this: Does Singapore or Malaysia have a trash can in which you can throw away your illegal "agriculture" or "happy substance"? be
132 474218 : To put a little aviation tilt to this forum: In 1985 a RJ L-1011-500 had a on-board fire and made an emergency landing in Singapore. Lockheed dispatch
133 AerorobNZ : No Not at all, I had a friend that had his memory jogged by that warning. He opened up his wallet and found a few pills he had had from his farewell
134 Lufthansa747 : This guy should have been hanged on the spot. Or charged for jail fees. He admitted having 400 grams of heroin. SIN has zero tolerance. Case closed.
135 Atmx2000 : I would hardly consider the Singapore government sinister either. Authoritarian but not malevolent or capricious. And my impression is that their nat
136 Post contains links QANTASforever : Wow, long thread. Let me say that it's nothing new for an Airline to advertise the laws of its home country. Qantas warns people about the penalties f
137 RiddlePilot215 : It's not even that....As an airline, a lot of what you do is merely politics. What you say, do, or get caught up in reflects heavily upon the image,
138 Lentigomaligna : Ah but this is precisely the reason for Singapore's authoritarianism. Countries which develop later economically often choose to catch up by developi
139 MilesDependent : The issue of dumping stuff before you arrive has come up in NZ before. I remember reading a case 2-3 years back about a person who dumped around 100 d
140 Kiwiandrew : I have never seen this in QF advertising though I have always heard it on board when arriving in either Australia or New Zealand - can you please giv
141 QANTASforever : Well, it wasn't QF exactly, but Australian Goverment notices warning against bringing unauthorised agriculture products into the country do feature i
142 QANTAS077 : so you advocate violence to solve a problem? what a charming world we live in...
143 9V-SVA : Simply because we value what we have. We have a high standard of living, higher than many other Asian countries. And we'd rather keep it this way, th
144 Post contains images Turbojet : DON'T CHECK IN ANY LUGGAGE WHEN FLYING TO SIN.
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