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SYD-LHR Nonstop...Is It Really Desireable?  
User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

With QF's fleet decision due this week, I was thinking... would I really want to from SYD-LHR non-stop? I can see some "human" problems associated with such an flights.

The problems I see mainly relate to hygene conditions. Firstly, as opposed to airlines such as CX or SQ, where I have noticed the FA's keeping the toilets clean on a regular basis during long flights, even in Y class, I have never seen QF FA's do this. So, when toilets block up or run out of toilet paper or paper towels or just become filthy and smelly, with 300 or so people on board for 20 hours I can see the potential for big trouble.

Will QF have to employ an extra crew member just as an in-flight janitor/cabin maintainance person to keep things running smoothly - as well as smaller things like galley equipment, or will several blocked toilets at one time, cause a diversion?

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Quoting Airbear (Thread starter):
With QF's fleet decision due this week, I was thinking... would I really want to from SYD-LHR non-stop?

A smaller, premium market is always willing to pay for a more spacious cabin and shorter flight. For some people, saving several hours in trip time may be worth the time spent couped up in the cabin...

Quoting Airbear (Thread starter):
So, when toilets block up or run out of toilet paper or paper towels or just become filthy and smelly, with 300 or so people on board for 20 hours I can see the potential for big trouble.

No aircraft will be able to carry 300 passengers on this route, period. A more likely configuration is a 772LR with 180-220 seats.

Quoting Airbear (Thread starter):
Will QF have to employ an extra crew member just as an in-flight janitor/cabin maintainance person to keep things running smoothly

They haven't even announced they will begin such service. If they do, I suspect they will have no choice but to create a subproduct addressing these issues.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
For some people, saving several hours in trip time may be worth the time spent couped up in the cabin...

A non-stop flight would only save 2-2.5 hours on the trip



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):

A non-stop flight would only save 2-2.5 hours on the trip

yes..but its also the fact pax won't have to wake up and during the flight for arrivals, departures, etc...not to mention, I don't know about how it works on the SYD-LHR-SYD route, but in USA-Pakistan/India-USA routes, pax have to get off the plane...such a majour inconvenience.....

having flown on 14-16 hour flights, a few extra hours wouldn't bother me and I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for a nonstop flight......like SQ's SIN-EWR flight.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
A non-stop flight would only save 2-2.5 hours on the trip

Is that flying time or does it include 1.5 hour spent at an intermediate stop?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9055 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
ot to mention, I don't know about how it works on the SYD-LHR-SYD route, but in USA-Pakistan/India-USA routes, pax have to get off the plane...such a majour inconvenience.....

Ever since that appalling Forgeard thread, I don't participate in anything remorely resembling A v B.

This thread verges on that, so I'll stress that my comment is only to you, in a spirit of trying to help you get more out of life.

On your USA/sub-continent flights, try a stopover, in say, somewhere nice. Paris. London. Beirut, even.

It's what many do from SYD to LHR. A couple of days in Singapore or - better yet, Bangkok - does wonders for the shopping!

I'm almost thinking of planning a trip to Europe now so I can justify stopping in Bangkok and buying some fabric at the Jim Thompson Shop - at one quarter of the price I would pay in Oz.

Not to mention a couple of great meals.

I worry about you. Put some fun in your flying.

 Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9047 times:

Quoting Airbear (Thread starter):

Will QF have to employ an extra crew member just as an in-flight janitor/cabin maintainance person to keep things running smoothly - as well as smaller things like galley equipment, or will several blocked toilets at one time, cause a diversion?

Or they can make the flight attendants do it. Considering, you know, its their job...

AAndrew


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
On your USA/sub-continent flights, try a stopover, in say, somewhere nice. Paris. London. Beirut, even.

It's what many do from SYD to LHR. A couple of days in Singapore or - better yet, Bangkok - does wonders for the shopping!

Unfortunately, you don't understand desis (people from Indian subcontinent)  Smile They want to spend as much time as possible in their own country during their vacation. And typical US annual vacations being just 2-3 weeks, many would prefer to get to their destination as soon as possible.

FYI, the stopover in Europe for US-India flights over atlantic, the stopover is in London/Paris/Frankfurt etc. Over the Pacific, it is more likely to be Seoul/HKG/Singapore/Kaula Lampur/Bangkok, typically one-two stopovers over pacific depending on your route.

As for the business travellers, well they can't have 1-2 day stopovers everytime on their trip. Big grin


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

desireable? Of course but it won't happen. LHR/SYD on the other hand probably will. Westbound might be able to fly PER/LHR NONSTOP?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8995 times:
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Quoting Blrsea (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, you don't understand desis (people from Indian subcontinent)

As equally, I could say that you don't understand Australians and New Zealanders.  Smile

However, I thought I had made it clear that my message was not for all "desis" - or for all Aussies or all Kiwis. Or even all Brits. Or all anyone.

It was purely and simply for Jacobin777. I am sorry that I did not make that clear enough.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
yes..but its also the fact pax won't have to wake up and during the flight for arrivals, departures, etc...not to mention, I don't know about how it works on the SYD-LHR-SYD route, but in USA-Pakistan/India-USA routes, pax have to get off the plane...such a majour inconvenience.....

having flown on 14-16 hour flights, a few extra hours wouldn't bother me and I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for a nonstop flight......like SQ's SIN-EWR flight.

I've been on quite a few 16 hour segments, and I have to say that 16 hours is about the max I can take it on a plane in one stretch. I simply cannot imagine myself sitting in a plane for 20 hours. Some people might not mind, but I think at that point I'm just going to say "forget it, I'm taking a stopover".


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
Is that flying time or does it include 1.5 hour spent at an intermediate stop?

Yes, it should



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
This thread verges on that, so I'll stress that my comment is only to you, in a spirit of trying to help you get more out of life.

I hope I wasn't imbuing you in any way.. no 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
It's what many do from SYD to LHR. A couple of days in Singapore or - better yet, Bangkok - does wonders for the shopping!

sometimes people don't have the freedom to do that and they must get to their destination ASAP......I would like to have the joy of stopping for a couple of days in Singapore or Bangkok........maybe next spring while on my way to SYD...

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):

I worry about you. Put some fun in your flying.

lol..thanks for the concern cheerful ...I'll be a-ok (I think)..in fact, I'll be flying in a few hours..buts its only a "short" flight compared to SYD-LHR.....

it gets a bit old and stale after a while...even with my laptop and a powerport plug, there is so much I can do in terms of work, play video games, watch movies, and look out the window......

I'm hoping there will be more air carriers getting the Connexion by Boeing internet, I wouldn't mind paying an extra $30 for all flight internet, especially if its a loooong flight....

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):

It was purely and simply for Jacobin777. I am sorry that I did not make that clear enough.

i feel exclusive... Smile

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 10):
I've been on quite a few 16 hour segments, and I have to say that 16 hours is about the max I can take it on a plane in one stretch. I simply cannot imagine myself sitting in a plane for 20 hours. Some people might not mind, but I think at that point I'm just going to say "forget it, I'm taking a stopover".

you have a valid point there, but if I can log onto A.net from a plane then I think I can bare the extra few hours... biggrin 

 wave 



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5682 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
A non-stop flight would only save 2-2.5 hours on the trip

How do you work that out?

While nobody knows exactly, yet, I think its more likley 3.5-4.5 hours. My calculation:

1) Stop over time: 1:40, But this is doors open to doors closed time, add
2)Actual landing & taxi time and actual taxi & take of time. At SIN this seems to about 20-25m each, so lets say 45min.
3)Time from FL390 to ground, net. About 30min
4) Time to FL 280, with full fuel load, about 30 min
5) Time FL280 to FL390, several hours,but lets call it a net 20min diffrence to flight time.
6) Distance saved about 30min

Total 3:15. IMHO this would be the minimum under normal operating conditions. Calculations base on QF9 MEl-SIN-LHR timetable, B744.

The current scheduled elapesed time is 23.5 hours. A non stop service COULD, MAYBE be scheduled for 20 hours.

I would certianly opt for this non stop, all other things being equal. I think most Ozzies/Kiwis would agree.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

A more medical and health related aspect that would me make hesitate to use a 20 hour non-stopper is the lack of humidity in the aircraft.
After eight hours I have dried out nostrils,dry skin and sometimes get tears in my eyes.So an intermediate stop of just 1,5 hours helps to re-hydrate the body.
As a previous post suggests rightly so,the toilets will look horrible after 12 hours without service and the smell that evaporates to the seats close to the sanitary area in any aircraft after many hours in-flight is not amusing.
From a more technical point of view - to transport fuel for a 20 hours non-stopper SYD-LHR is somewhat penalizing,in that you have to consider an additional amount of fuel to transport more fuel...



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7162 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

I did SYD LHR earlier this year. Non Stop - forget it - Its way too long a flight. I was in Business, and with the additional space, etc I was still looking forward to my stop over at ICN, where I got a good six hours sleep in the transit hotel, and some shopping in. Much better than another 13 hours onboard. ( I recommend the KE service)

So, you take a non stop, and arrive wrecked into Heathrow in the early morning... only saving over the QF one stop was leaving from SYD two hours later.



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User currently offlineJeffrito From United States of America, joined May 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

As I understand it, the associated aircraft will be outfitted with hypersleep chambers, which are currently under development. The bugs are being worked out, as early models required constant rebooting and passengers complained of chronic pinky-toe cramps.

User currently offlineMikedlayer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8632 times:

I've never flown the route, however will be doing so in the coming year so I'm not quite sure how such a long flight is going to feel to me.

But having flown many long flights myself, my view on the matter is that you just have to get on and do it. Sooner you start, sooner you finish. I'm not sure a couple of hours break would make much difference on such a long flight, would it?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4683 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
No aircraft will be able to carry 300 passengers on this route, period.

Do you exclude a potential A388R ? The A380 has a lot of growth potential.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8586 times:
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Quoting MarshalN (Reply 10):
I've been on quite a few 16 hour segments, and I have to say that 16 hours is about the max I can take it on a plane in one stretch. I simply cannot imagine myself sitting in a plane for 20 hours. Some people might not mind, but I think at that point I'm just going to say "forget it, I'm taking a stopover".

- I agree, take a stop, far better.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
I did SYD LHR earlier this year. Non Stop - forget it - Its way too long a flight. I was in Business, and with the additional space, etc I was still looking forward to my stop over at ICN, where I got a good six hours sleep in the transit hotel, and some shopping in. Much better than another 13 hours onboard

- I'm planning a SYD trip next year, and plan a stop en route too!!



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8555 times:

I've done this trip 16 times in 5 years for business, in J class. Once in Y.

i) When you're already travelling 23hrs flying time, closer to 28 door-door, what is the big deal about reducing the flying time to 20hrs (make that earlier meeting? I don't think so)
ii) Business travel is as much about arriving fit for work as it is about arriving as quickly as possible. If I get there 2hrs earlier, but de-hydrated, sleep deprived and, along with my fellow passagers, smelling somewhat 'lived-in', am I better off?

On the other hand in current J class services:
i) The Kangaroo route breaks into comfortable sectors Europe-SIN (12-13hrs) / SIN-SYD/MEL 7-8hrs. There's plenty of time to sleep, eat, work, watch movies, even with the stopover of 1.5hrs
ii) Most of us need a freshen up after 13hrs in a plane. Go to the lounge, have a shower or use the pool on the roof of the airport; take a massage or at least go for a long walk - Much better for the sense of well-being and condition on arrival
iii) Crews: you get a fully fresh crew in Asia, whilst continuing in the same a/c and flt number. Crews can pass their 'use by date' after 12hrs. Yes I know you would carry additional crew, but they will not be as fresh.
iv) What will be served for the 3rd and 4th meal services? Spacefood?

I don't see the value propostition, even for business travellers. I'll stick with the one stop service in J and look forward to QF's A380 service with more space (only 474 seats) and in flight lounges in each class (F,J,Y).



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User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8549 times:

If I had to I could probably do a flight that long, but I do like a stopover on a long flight to stretch my legs etc.


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User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 8518 times:

There is the health issue but also the environmental issue : on such very long haul flight, it's more fuel/environment efficient to do one stop -even if that means two take off- in order not to carry the extra tons of fuel and food and water etc necessary for the whole non stop flight.

All these more fuel efficient aircraft manufacturers are advertising are worthless if they make the overall network "not fuel optimized".

[Edited 2005-12-03 12:38:58]

[Edited 2005-12-03 12:40:25]


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 8484 times:

You know how the last five minutes waiting for the jetway to come to the plane seems to take forever? That's what the stopover is like -- just an eternity. Especially from Europe...just when you are ready to crash out for real, you have to straighten up, land, get off the plane, etc etc., then back on the plane, and finally get going again. Now, if I were travelling in coach, I'd see some argument to wanting the stop, but in F or J, no thanks, I'd rather just keep on truckin!

Steve


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 8):
Westbound might be able to fly PER/LHR NONSTOP?

You clearly are not up to speed with the subject. Firstly QF called for 10000nm still air capability, secondly, who ever said that there would be a westbound leg?
Given the typical winds, the SYD-LHR route would usually be east bound , thus a true round the world flight.
There was a response to a thread on this list a while ago that stated that SQ use an east bound route , when winds dictate it , from EWR to SIN.


25 A319XFW : Doesn't AC fly direct YYZ to DEL direct with their A345's? And then probably soon with their 772's? The A388 doesn't have a centre tank at the mo, so
26 MiCorazonAzul : yea, like our flight attendants that clean the entire plane in between flights. I am personally not a huge fan of these ultra long haul flights.
27 BoogyJay : The A380-800ER will have a central wingbox fuel tank adding 60000l i.e. ~48000kg of extra fuel, not 30000kg.
28 WhiteHatter : The BBC had a reporter on the Boeing test flight recently from HKG to LHR, who did a piece on flying ultra-longhaul. His report was not good. Nothing
29 Post contains images A319XFW : Surely you mean the A380-800F? As the planning so far is that will have a centre tank (unless FedEx, UPS and Emirates decide not to have it). But lik
30 Paul : Yeah its only desireable if you in C or F. I do the trip every year and always in Business, there is no way on earth I would ever sit in Y for that le
31 Ken777 : I've done US to Australia about 60 times since starting my own little business and for the past few years have used the RTW approach instead of plain
32 AC787 : Is this true? I had always pictured it would still go the usual route of west bound across asia.
33 Post contains images BoogyJay : Well not really. In an Air&Cosmos article about the A380-MRTB, they say it'll be based on the A388F. Then they later add: "Optionnaly, Jean-Christoph
34 N79969 : Amazingly none of these tech/operational issues or expressions of social concern are raised when discussing existing 17-18 hour flights operated by T
35 Aither : You watch X-Files too much. I would not like to fly SIN-EWR non stop as well. I was not saying UlR routes cannot be profitable, as long as they attra
36 AirxLiban : Just out of curiosity, when we are talking about a distance as far as SYD-LHR, would drilling through the centre of earth create a path of shorter dis
37 ANstar : Shhhhh. Don't tell the QF Cabin Crew this....
38 N79969 : This is just a perplexing comment.. There have been numerous threads devoted to ULH flights...yet the silence from you and your like-minded ilk on th
39 MNeo : Yes it would be shorter. Infact If one wer to drill underground from any two distant points the distance would be MUCH shorter. Just take any ball an
40 TheSonntag : Just one question: How long did flights from Europe to the US take with old prop airliners before the 707 was introduced?
41 N79969 : There will be a press-conference in Tolouse on Monday morning in which Noel Forgeard will announce the launch of an earth-boring drill that will repl
42 Post contains images Ikramerica : Without reading this thread, I can summarize the monotonous complaints: 1. who'd want to fly that long? 2. won't it smell? 3. isn't it less fuel effic
43 SunriseValley : The great circle distance LHR-SYD east bound is about 9200nm. Fron SYD-LHR east bound via a way point close to Barrow Alaska, is 10,054 nm. Assuming
44 Afay1 : Jus think of the back-to-back mileage run possibilities! Or if ryanair were to start such a route (clean your own damn bathroom), or even Aeroflot (mo
45 Post contains images Astuteman : Seconded. There are a whole range of fabulous places in the region that are definitely good for the soul. Also true. Markets are funny things, and ra
46 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Since we are talking about QF's current RFP for C-market aircraft, I will refrain from speculating on an aircraft type that isn'on proposal. It will
47 Post contains images A342 : Assuming this equals into 4 hours of flight and taking a cruise speed of 850km/h as an example, you would THEORETICALLY get a range of 18200 km (A388
48 Post contains images NZPM : I definately agree with Mariner. For me, getting there is half the fun! Especially if it involves and extra landing and take-off, and sometimes even
49 N79969 : The origin of stopovers was pure necessity rather than any desire to set down in some nice locale. There plenty of nice places in between London and S
50 Post contains images Mariner : Well, yes. in at least one direction. I assume you mean from SFO? Non-stop is fine, trans-Pacific, but it is very tiring and you do miss an awful lot
51 Ukkiwibird : At a guess , Mega long haul flights would consist of 80% First/ Business class and 10% Y class. And i reckon those seat will be either - A. Be taken b
52 WhiteHatter : More rubbish. It does not matter what aircraft is used, the same psychological issues come up. Many travellers report that the current A345 routes ar
53 EWROwznj00 : I think that while LHR-SYD is attractive and sounds great and would really be a technical accomplishment, it's not going to really catch on for a vari
54 NAV20 : SunriseValley, snag is that the prevailing winds in the Southern Hemisphere are predominantly from the east (and very strong east of Australia at mos
55 Ikramerica : either syd-lhr (via alaska) or syd-jfk would be routed nearly northbound from SYD until well past the equator. the reverse direction jfk-syd could be
56 Iowaman : How could anyone sit for that long in a plane? Seriously after 8 hours that's all I can take.
57 N79969 : You sure do use some ornery language when trying to pass off your semi-informed opinions and anecdotal fragments as fact. For some odd reason, you as
58 N79969 : Check out the flight times on trans-Atlantic flights during the 1930s. Baltimore to Foynes, Ireland nonstop took 29 hours. What Qantas is planning to
59 Tbear815 : So, what we have here is probably one daily flight in either direction with a limited pax load (predominantly F/J or J only - a la SQ/TG). This would
60 Simpilicity : Who said anything about 300 pax. If it happens it will be aa expensive premium service aimed at those who either don't care what it costs or who don'
61 N79969 : Whitehatter, Please impart your wisdom to the people below...I am sure they and Qantas need your intellect and missed the points you raised: Signal, T
62 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I'm sure a trans-Pacific trip is very tiring, but last year, I had an experience of flying SFO-JFK-DXB-KHI...all in one stretch..that was 5 1/2 hours
63 Sllevin : Hahaha -- so I wish! Arriving into Europe it's daytime, so less, exactly, you go right to work. My last time out of SYD I flew SYD-KUL-FRA on MH (so
64 OzGlobal : Don't guarantee what you can't deliver. On the contrary, the same points have been made numerous times in the discussions of ULR flights. I have no p
65 SunriseValley : Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Take a look at trans-Tasman timetables; always takes longer from NZ to Aus. typically 30 minutes. Also trans-pac
66 SunriseValley : I did some additional trial and error inputs into Great Circle Mapper and found that a waypoint of 90 degree north 140 degree west reduced the great
67 Jacobin777 : interesting find, but I don't know if that would still be short enough to fly that route...even with good winds...... Also, one of the reasons as to
68 Ikramerica : or more likely, the close race is between 789 and 350
69 SunriseValley : When and where did Dixon say that?
70 Post contains links Jacobin777 : you could be correct, as I think it will be a factor in the decision..but accordingly, Dixon said that JetStar won't ever be greater than 20% of of Q
71 MotorHussy : Well for us in Wellington, New Zealand, it would make London a two flight, one stop with QF: WLG-SYD SYD-LHR rather than the current (quickest version
72 DLPMMM : I agree completely. Many on these boards are leisure travellers with no conception of the life "on the road". The airlines are more likely to gear th
73 AC787 : To me the leisure traveler thats crazy/awseome. What do u do if u dont mind me asking?
74 NAV20 : In a sense we're both right, SunriseValley. The winds crossing the Pacific would probably be 'half-and-half'. Thing is, wind in the S. Hemisphere circ
75 MarshalN : Well, I think there's always going to be a market for SYD-LHR. The question is if it's big enough, and if there is enough demand for a plane like that
76 N79969 : What Qantas seemingly will do is offer a modest change to the marketplace. It will be one 777 in an all business-class configuration. How many seats
77 LTBEWR : I have done on UA, in the cheap seats, EWR-ORD-LAX-AUK (and with a 2 hour wait via NZ to CHC (and AUK-LAX-EWR return) with only a 2-hour or so change
78 Lehpron : Many paople don't know or care about what stuff does to them in long term...don't believe me, talk to a smoker. The following is a philisophical stat
79 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .... that's COMPLETELY rubbish.....there are enough air carriers who fly to ex-USSR countries (not to mention MANY sattelite launchings by US/Europea
80 RedChili : I think that there are several problems with your calculations here: 2) I think 45 minutes is a little bit too high. The correct figure should probab
81 Gemuser : Quite likley Gemuser
82 MarshalN : Well, while I don't like the idea of a 20+ hour segment, I do think you are exaggerating it a bit. I've been on EWR-HKG and ORD-HKG, both are about 1
83 Sllevin : SQ's 345's do indeed have a nicer setup -- driven less by the length of the service than the fact that they can only seat 181 people anyways... The e
84 OzGlobal : OK, now I can fully agree with you.
85 Klyk1980 : Personally...I prefer with a stopover. With a stopover, you can refresh and have some walk. But...of course...non-stop is fine to many people due to t
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