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China To Order 150 A320  
User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

The order is likely to be confirmed early next week during a visit to France by Chinese premier Wen Jiabao. China likes to announce orders for foreign goods during high-level political visits and Wen is due to make an official visit to France between 4 December and 7 December...

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...+for+big+A320+order+next+week.html

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

this has been covered. likely a 70+80 order like the b one.


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 97
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14185 times:
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The Sunday Times today carried a one-liner on this, but also suggested that it would be related to an even bigger (i.e. MASSIVE) helicopter order (presumably from EADS Eurocopter).
Maybe not relevant, per se, but in the context of Airbus currently having to carry EADS defence interests, a major helicopter order certainly helps Airbus's parent to be more secure.
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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14134 times:

Do we know what airlines will place the orders? I doubt it, that its the same airlines that ordered the 70 737s.


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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14099 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
The Sunday Times today carried a one-liner on this, but also suggested that it would be related to an even bigger (i.e. MASSIVE) helicopter order (presumably from EADS Eurocopter).
Maybe not relevant, per se, but in the context of Airbus currently having to carry EADS defence interests, a major helicopter order certainly helps Airbus's parent to be more secure.
A

This order has "trade deficit" written all over it. Sound familiar?



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14086 times:

One important side-aspect is that it was agreed that Airbus will quadruple the components bought from China until 2010 and has offered China a 5 per cent work-share in the Airbus A350 programme.

Airbus has said that it aims to have a 50 per cent market share in China in a couple of years (currently 30 per cent).


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 14083 times:

I suspect there's a tie-in with this topic:

Airbus May Set Up Assembly Line in China



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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13991 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 3):
Do we know what airlines will place the orders?

No idea, but the 20 A320s for East Star Airlines (also announced this week) are certainly not included in this government order.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13972 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):

is east star not a chinese government airline? never heard of it.



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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
is East Star not a chinese government airline? never heard of it.

East Star is the first private airline of China and received approval for operation from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) on June 10, 2005. Headquartered in Wuhan, the Capital city of Hubei Province, East Star Airlines plans to start operations in May 2006 with a network connecting more than 10 major Chinese cities, including Shenzhen, Nanjing, Xi’an, Haikou, and Hangzhou.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13913 times:

The deal would be signed tomorrow with the Chinese PM and French PM.
I heard at the French TV , that the order will be for more than 100 A320 family aircraft , and perhaps (only) of other Airbus products.
Also the Chinese PM was at Toulouse this afternoon (Dec 4th) to visit the A380 assembly line and to discuss about a possible A320 assembly line in China.
Then he will go to Marseille to sign an helicopter deal with Eurocopter.
China already build EC120s.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13867 times:
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Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
No idea, but the 20 A320s for East Star Airlines (also announced this week) are certainly not included in this government order.

Only 10 of East Star Airlines orders are direct via the airline. The other 10 have already been ordered by GECAS.

Said it with the Boeing order and I'll say it with this one too. Who saw this one coming? I never expected both manufacturers to get a combined 300 narrowbody orders from China. What a year for both of them. I just hope theere a few widebodies thrown in for good measure, like Sichuan Airlines A330s, be good to see more heavies.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

Maybe the order for 70+ 737s is hot air from China plus GWB critic statement about Taiwan...

Just guessing here.

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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13837 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
I just hope there a few widebodies thrown in for good measure, like Sichuan Airlines A330s, be good to see more heavies.

Does any Chinese airline currently operate wide bodies domestically (not talking about Hong Kong based airlines)???

[Edited 2005-12-04 21:36:02]

User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13796 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12):
Maybe the order for 70+ 737s is hot air from China plus GWB critic statement about Taiwan...

It was deliberately leaked by the Chinese they reduced the number of 737s ordered in protest of GW's public interference with their internal affairs.

The general feeling was that this was just a diplomatic incident and that the remainder of the 737s would be ordered soon, but after seeing all this and especially after the offer from Airbus to set up a full narrow body assembly line in China (something the Chinese have been willing to have for years), it might prove hard for Boeing to get the Chinese to sign for those additional 737s....


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13796 times:
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The first private airline of China is/was Okay Airways, flying the Boeing 737-900.

User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13748 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
The first private airline of China is/was Okay Airways, flying the Boeing 737-900

Okay Airlines flies domestic charter flights.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 13669 times:
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Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 13):
Does any Chinese airline currently operate wide bodies domestically (not talking about Hong Kong based airlines)???

Yes, I may have to stand corrected on some but Hainan, China Southwest, Yunnan and Shanghai come to mind. China Southerns recent A330 order will mostly see them operate domestic runs too. Though you exclude HK based carriers most mainland carriers operate heavies to HK, that's almost the same as a domestic now  Wink

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6962 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 13632 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 3):
Do we know what airlines will place the orders? I doubt it, that its the same airlines that ordered the 70 737s.

On the contrary. The three big Chinese airlines all operate mixed 737/A320 fleets and all three are likely to get shares of the 70 737s and ?? A320s. Last week I flew on an Air China 737-300 and a China Eastern A320. The models could as easily have been the other way around.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 13505 times:
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Oh, I didn't see where you wrote that the point you were making was that East Star is the first scheduled private carrier in China. In fact here is what you wrote:

East Star is the first private airline of China...

So, I stand by my comment.


User currently offlineElvis777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Hello All,

Yeah, PHXinterrupted I agree with you:
"this order has "trade deficit" written all over it. Sound familiar?"

Where is Keesje and Wings?

Ok., that said. Congrats to EADS. The A319-321 is a fine series of planes.

I still believe, just as I did when Boeing won the first order, that the Chinese airlines have done their math properly and have chosen what will work for them -i.e make a profit for them.

Peace

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 13342 times:

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 20):
Yeah, PHXinterrupted I agree with you:
"this order has "trade deficit" written all over it. Sound familiar?"

Where is Keesje and Wings?

Yeah, that was a sweet one. First I said it & the Randy groupies exploded.
A few hours later US / Chinese officials officially confirmed  rotfl 

I don´t think this has to do with a trade deficit.
If you are talking subs & co-assembly: more likely..


User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 13291 times:

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 20):
I still believe, just as I did when Boeing won the first order, that the Chinese airlines have done their math properly and have chosen what will work for them -i.e make a profit for them.

To be honest I reckon both B737 series and A320 series are now equivalent aircrafts in terms of profits.

Boeing and Airbus now fight on 2 fronts: Prices and politics!

In China the later is easily the deal maker or breaker....

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 4):
This order has "trade deficit" written all over it. Sound familiar?

What about European support for lifting the arms embargo on China?


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 13150 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 13):
Does any Chinese airline currently operate wide bodies domestically

CA often flies 744/A343/777/767 on domestic routes.
CZ flies 772A on trunk lines from CAN to PVG/PEK.
MU flies A346/A343 & tons of A300s on domestic routes.

MU flies more Airbus types but has taken up a few Boeing 737s of late.
CA & CZ fly basically everything that Airbus & Boeing (MDs included) has made.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4040 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 13012 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 4):
This order has "trade deficit" written all over it. Sound familiar?

If you are talking about the A320s, it is just like everything China or Japan order. If you are talking about the helicopters, the reason is merely that Europe is willing to sell them to China and the US isn't (not that Eurocopters are bad in any way).



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25 CPH757 : And HU operates some domestic 767 as well. Does MU operate the 343 and 346 on domestic flights? I have only seen them on HKG-PVG. CZ also send domesti
26 N79969 : Good, solid (not entirely unexpected) win for Airbus. Airbus has done a very good job with customer service in China and deserves credit for their eff
27 Post contains images MarshalN : Well, the trade deficit argument is rather dumb, whether applied to A or B. I mean, these are really the only two viable manufacturers for mainline ai
28 Lumberton : Everything I read says that the rumored "80" more 737's is still being "negotiated" and not lost. The Chinese very much need these aircraft. They can
29 Elvis777 : Hi Keesje, I'll try again. Congrats to EADS. Good show. You won this one. We'll (Boeing) try harder next time. Although there are probably multiple re
30 Post contains images Glideslope : Elvis, you have left the building....
31 Post contains images Elvis777 : Hello Glideslope! I'm flying brother! Peace Elvis777
32 Post contains images Glideslope : Exactly. It's the old put George in the corner for a few months, then make an announcement for the sale at a "new price." In all honesty W has been d
33 Lumberton : Glideslope, please see link in Reply #6 to the thread where this topic is discussed. Strangely, there is little comment with respect to the outsourci
34 Carnoc : Sabenapilot, Clickhappy is correct, Okay Airways is certainly the first private airline on Mainland China. Also, it operates scheduled passenger flig
35 Elvis777 : Hello All, Have any one of you read the book "airframe' by M. Crichton? Not Booker prize quality and a bit paranoic but nice read for those of us inte
36 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : guess.... airbus is having to buy there own jets! http://today.reuters.com/business/ne..._0_BUSINESSPRO-FRANCE-CHINA-DC.XML Tyical airbus politics...
37 Abba : I've been on a Air China 747-400 from Beijing to Shenzhen. ABBA
38 Milan320 : I take it American companies never do such things then, right? -Milan320
39 WhiteHatter : Amazing how the cheerleaders are trying to drag all kinds of nonsense into this, like Taiwan and outsourcing. Like they believe building aircraft part
40 Glareskin : If true this means Airbus is closing up on Boeing with the orders this year. Anyone know the numbers for this moment? Of course the QF order will infl
41 PanAm_DC10 : IIRC Boeing did too in the 1970's with a 707 variant, it's been going on for some time as you correctly point out with MDD too, so nothing new. One o
42 Elvis777 : Hello whitehatter, The initial punch, if there is such a thing b/c both sides do it- Ok the initial shot on the china orders came from your side of th
43 N79969 : ...As did a US Navy in 1996 when they sent in an aircraft carrier after the Chinese military starting firing missles into the Taiwan Strait.
44 Abba : I am no expert in the subject of moral superiority. However, I do believe that a number of the West's best friends in the rest of the world (equally
45 AirPacific747 : I read that it is "only" 100 Airbus aircraft
46 N1786b : Hmmm..... OK moving up to $120 million by 2010. And just how much business does Boeing do with Chinese suppliers? Peanuts compared to some of Boeings
47 BestWestern : Ive flown AirChina domestic on an A340 I disagree. All Chinese and Indian government owned airline orders are pure politics.
48 A319XFW : I should hope (and I guess so) the unions were informed of such big news before it was made public. After all this probably means that a lot of peopl
49 Pyrex : Isn't that exactly what the U.S. does?
50 Post contains images WINGS : Well yes it does sound very familiar. When China placed their last order for the B737NG, I believed that it had all to do with the Trade Deficit and
51 Astuteman : Flight International magazine quotes today "Sources said expectations were that the order would be much larger than the 70-aircraft 737-700/800 commi
52 Scbriml : Wow, this is getting a little out of hand! Trade deficit - China has a large trade deficit with both Europe and US. However, China doesn't order A320s
53 Post contains links Lumberton : Perhaps, but this article did talk about ALL A320 wing production being transferred to China in 7 years. http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/st...y/0,2
54 Astuteman : A bit of subtle adjustment, perhaps, but the article talks about Chinese media sources suggesting all A320 wing production being transferred to China
55 PM : My guess is that these new orders for each type will simply reinforce the current picture. The bigger airlines all fly various versions of each. Smal
56 Art : Just for the record it's expressed the other way round - China has a large trade surplus - it exports more than it imports. In the long term companie
57 N1786b : AFP just reported the deal is for 150. I'm sure we'll hear more shortly. - N1786B
58 N1786b : Which doesn't mean what I wrote is wrong. The "more jobs building whatever is developed" does not mean EU jobs. - n1786b
59 N1786b : The 6 airlines ordering A320s are: Air China China Eastern Airlines China Southern Airlines Sichuan Airlines Shenzhen Airlines Hainan Airlines - n1786
60 B2147 : Flew Okay Airlines today on the route Harbin-Tianjin on a scheduled flight. Regarding widebodies, not to forget the A300's of former CJ, nowdays CZ wh
61 Post contains links and images Keesje : PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - China ordered 150 Airbus single-aisle passenger jets on Monday in a deal worth some $9.7 billion at list prices, boosting Eur
62 BestWestern : Excellent news for Airbus... the old bird aint dead yet!
63 Post contains links Mhodgson : BBC reporting it too, now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4498794.stm
64 Post contains images N754PR : WOW!! Thats going to give me a few more to spot
65 Sabenapilot : Indeed it is confirmed by Airbus too now (although not yet on their public site), the deal is for 150 narrow bodies: the maximum rumoured number! No o
66 Scbriml : Wow! That must take the A320 family to the verge of 4,000 orders. Very nice!
67 Jonathan-l : QUOTE AIRBUS PRESS RELEASE CASGC SIGNS A GTA WITH AIRBUS TO PLACE THE LARGEST EVER AIRCRAFT ORDER IN CHINA FOR THE PURCHASE OF 150 A320 FAMILY AIRCRAF
68 Glom : Does this include the 70 orders announced at Dubai or is this all new?
69 Post contains images A319XFW : I think you're getting A and B mixed up here
70 Thorben : Congrats to Airbus. What is the stand of orders for A and B for 2005 now? Anyway, this amount of narrow-bodies surely will also mean future wide-body
71 Glom : No, there was also an A320 order at Dubai.
72 Eha : FAL refers to assemble the A/C, not building all the components... No mention of transfer, but additional FAL, I would rather see it as additional ca
73 Leelaw : Wasn't that the AerCap deal for 70 A320s announced at Dubai?
74 Sabenapilot : Indeed, the order for 70 A320s in Dubai came from AerCap Leasing and has nothing to do with this.
75 A319XFW : Oh yes, so there was. And the 20 order for the private Chinese airline.
76 Post contains images Manni : Despite all skepticism, front salesman Leahy might not be far of when he said at the DXB airshow that Airbus will win about as much orders as Boeing t
77 Thorben : I think it was not Leahy, but Humbert who said that. Leahy is a loud-mouth, but Humbert is a serious man, when he says something like that, you can e
78 N79969 : I agree 100% with Thorben. I would add Forgeard to the list of loud mouths.
79 Post contains images Airbuzz : Thanks GWB for making this happen
80 Post contains images Solnabo : Yesssssssssss!!! Way to go Airbus Micke//SE
81 N79969 : Do you honestly believe this to be true? What politician gets credit for the massive B737 order from China announced last week?
82 Post contains images Sebolino : Actually I would better call him "big ears".
83 MauriceB : ouch..... this hurts for boeing if you ask me... they sold 70 , but Airbus 150... Firm.... seems like airbus can be the big winner in 2005 as well...
84 Post contains images Stitch : Well when GWB did his Taiwan verbal gaffe, I said "TLS can expect a phone call, shortly".   Be that as it may, it's still a good day for Airbus. The
85 NorCal : congrats to Airbus anyone have an order count for the year? justplanes has 733 not including this 150 for Airbus giving them a total raw (not all firm
86 Post contains links N1786b : Well, not *so* solid. Will they be confirmed and booked? I think so. Airbus says no firm contracts to sell planes to China; pact preliminary PARIS (A
87 Longhaulheavy : I'd rather see fewer orders than see the people of Taiwan getting sold out for a handful of aluminum and electronics.
88 Post contains links Sabenapilot : This is the normal way to do business with the Chinese. Their airlines are not allowed to deal directly with the manufacturers, they have to apply fo
89 Manni : Justplanes is an awfully bad source. For starters there is the Chinese order for 70 Boeing aircraft, while earlier on a great amount of these were al
90 Post contains images Kahala777 : The U.S.A. does anything and everything it can for Republicans and the almighty Bush boys! A I R B U S Rules The Day, Yet Again Way to Go Airbus! Qua
91 Atnight : Great news! The A320 series is the preferred choice for most passengers in the narrow-body category, so this is a great win for Airbus. Congrats! If t
92 Post contains images Manni : Suppose it's something different than being sold out for a pit of oil, not? How do you feel knowing that an American manufacturer has sold 60 787's t
93 Post contains images Morvious : Man, to many small body airplanes in this world Congrats to Airbus and China, the A32x series are very nice airplanes.
94 Leskova : You know, I really don't know why I even bother to read announcement threads like this one anymore, because regardless of who bought what, there'll al
95 Post contains images Sabenapilot : I am searching the different news websites for an announcement from the US government they will block the export of this hi-tech plane to China to pu
96 Post contains images Jacobin777 : do you have any proof of this? its seems all subjective to me..... right...its beating the pants out of the 737....
97 Art : I disagree on '"more jobs building whatever is developed" does not mean EU jobs.' I think new developments will continue to harness the skills availa
98 Atnight : You obviously haven't read the polls that clearly points out the A320 over its rival... nor have you made a good comparision between the 2 models in
99 Jacobin777 : I think there is a difference between the two("selling more" and "dominating")..don't you think?
100 Atnight : Well, if you are going to quote me, quote the whole sentence: Also, if I was wrong for stating that the A320 will dominate the market when they set u
101 Jacobin777 : fair enough.... once again, a difference between "dominating" and "selling more"....
102 TheSonntag : I think this is a great year of aviation. But I really think China should not get too much influence into the Airbus project, otherwise we will see ch
103 Atnight : honestly Jacobin, why are you caught up in that? You quoted the whole sentence, but you don't see that I said "If they set up an assembly line in Chi
104 Thorben : And I agree with you, Forgeard is a loud-mouth. Besides, all that trouble he caused during his way out wasn't helpful either. But now Airbus is in go
105 Post contains images Jacobin777 : how about pointing some proof......and my point was that comparing the "feel" of such competitive aircraft is subjective... I never said I was going
106 Kaitak : God, why did they ever invent this "quote text" button! All of this (the narrowbody orders, not quoted text!) brings to mind the words of Mark Twain,
107 B2443 : Why did you expect human rights would ever come before profits? This is not in the books. EU knows it, USA knows it and China knows it so well she pl
108 MidnightMike : Wow, between that & the 737NG order, that is going to be a lot of MD80's & MD90's hitting the used aircraft market
109 Post contains links YUL332LX : ... The long-expected order, worth $9 billion, allows Airbus to surpass Boeing's recent China orders and puts the company ahead of Boeing for aircraft
110 Post contains links and images BoomBoom : http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...000006&sid=adCg1hXTplQI&refer=home A play out of Boeing's Japan play book... And look what happend to them [Ed
111 MarshalN : Considering there aren't any MD80 knockoffs by the Chinese yet, my guess is it's not something that will happen.
112 Post contains links N328KF : Bloomberg's take on this order, for what it's worth: http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/12/05/afx2371339.html
113 IRelayer : It is become easier and easier to imagine a day when everything that I own will be made in China. Commercial aircraft is pretty much the last manufac
114 TrevD : First of all, let me preface my comments with kudos to Airbus for making some kind of strategic move other than slashing prices to win business. As ha
115 Post contains images Astuteman : Great backhanded compliment You make it sound like only Boeing know how to make strategic moves, and Boeing don't slash prices to win business. Airbu
116 Toulouse : Agreed, but Elvis777 does have a point below: Pity isn't it. To answer your question, the hypocrosiy is coming from all sides... I think unfortunatel
117 Post contains links and images Scbriml : But this is exactly how CASGC has handled all the recent Chinese "bulk" purchases of planes, including the recent Boeing order for 70 737s. It's also
118 N1786b : First of all, thanks for the clarification on the framework contract. And another thing, Airbus only committed to a feasability study and NOT a trans
119 Scbriml : But see my reply #118.
120 N1786b : There were 17-21 studying for their CAP/BEP/BAC Pro. Not necessarily the brightest of French students but more numerous than the students in the Gran
121 BoogyJay : As you said yourself "not the brightest of French students". Grandes Ecoles are after High schools. So when you talk about CAP/BEP/BAC Pro, you shoul
122 Post contains images Glom : Do we need this France vs USA war? You both suck equally!
123 Post contains images BoogyJay : Well, do you see weapons, missiles or bombs? I don't. I don't see word war either, no bashing, no name-calling, no insult. It was just a clarificatio
124 Glom : China's going to be rich. That's my reaction.
125 N1786b : Don't be offended, but I've got two kids in it now. I should have written "Polytechnique" - my bad. I stand by my statement saying that Whitehatter b
126 Scbriml : Neither Airbus nor the Chinese are stupid! If, and it's a big one, an A320 production line is started in China, both parties will have a good idea ho
127 N1786b : Yes, I doubt the Chinese will shut down the factory, they'll just roll a "Chinese Copy" down the line after the last A32X. And it is a BIG IF (hence
128 Post contains images Scbriml : I doubt it will have any impact. There's no way Airbus would allow themselves to be held over a barrel for 150 A320s. Yes, it's a very nice order (ve
129 Thorben : Airbus shouldn't open an assembly line in China. The Chinese will only steal the technology and build planes like the A320 themselves after a few year
130 TheSonntag : So true. Unfortunately managers see the money today, not impacts in 40years...
131 Mham001 : Right now, the French are very interested in aligning themselves with the Chinese. Look at how the French are so adament about lifting the arms embarg
132 TheSonntag : Actually Germany tried to reduce the French influence of Airbus and succeeded quite well during the last year. So I disagree that Airbus is "French".
133 Post contains images Scbriml : As I explained in reply #118, this is exactly the same method used by the Chinese to bulk order 60 787s in January and 70 737s very recently. So acco
134 Sebolino : Nope. It will be an assembly line, not a design center. The company is French, that's a fact (I mean legally).
135 Ikramerica : What is an "order taken" and how does this put airbus ahead? 2012. It's 2012.
136 DL021 : Are these to be counted as orders by Airbus immediately or as the contracts are firmed up. I notice that when Boeing made their deal for 787s they did
137 Astuteman : At the earliest, probably, too.
138 PM : But it's 80% owned by EADS which is - legally - Dutch!
139 TheSonntag : Correct, but also in French corporate law the opinions of a company's owners are very important. EADS, which owns most of Airbus, is a dutch company
140 11Bravo : Both. Judging from the many posts on this subject, there are many posters here that are prepared to count Letters of Intent and "Commitments" as orde
141 Thorben : 40 years? That's way too long. The impact will be felt in maybe ten or fifteen years.
142 Pihero : A really amusing thread ! De-localised aeronautical plants are really not new, are they ? Examples :BAC 111 in Romania F-16 in the Netherlands and in
143 Post contains images Anxebla : This entire thread is a total blah, blah, blah The main FACT is that an A-320 is 1000 times better than any 737 AND all people do prefer an A320 over
144 Scbriml : No they won't be counted as firm orders until the individual airlines involved sign their own contracts. It works exactly the same way as all the pre
145 Sebolino : EADS is dutch because there are some advantages to be in netherlands. I don't know if Dutch people are involved in EADS. Airbus is Owned by EADS and
146 Post contains links BoomBoom : Gee, I wonder how the 737 managed to outsell the A320 this year? The fact is that it's likely to be significantly less than 150. Final China Airbus O
147 Post contains images Anxebla : Maybe this year ...but, anyway ...I do NOT have here at the moment the real figures for this year and that is not important ...the important thing is
148 Lumberton : You know this for sure? So far, the Chinese press is referring to the agreement as a "framework" agreement. Most likely the deals will be finalized a
149 Post contains links WhiteHatter : well they would do. Have a look at this http://www.gopcom.com/ Boeing are a major client and buy a lot of influence in Washington. Google HERE and yo
150 Post contains links Anxebla : Me too from www.airbus.com : >""CASGC President Li Hai and Airbus President and CEO Gustav Humbert signed the GTA in Paris in the presence of Chinese
151 N328KF : Man, we just managed to get Zeke calmed down, and then this guy comes back. Haven't you realized that almost certainly includes orders+options? Every
152 N79969 : Bottom line-- Airbus did not quite get 150 firm orders but will get something pretty substantial nonetheless. They signed a lesser agreement that coul
153 Sebolino : Oh yeah, I see. This is totally relevant with an order of 150 planes.
154 Scorpio : Agree with you there. But then you proceed and write this: ...and make the level of discussion drop even lower by making such a dumb comment. And bef
155 Scbriml : No! The GTA, which was signed by the Chinese Premier, states that a group of Chinese airlines will purchase 150 A320 family aircraft from Airbus. It
156 Post contains links and images Anxebla : OK, you are right ...but right now I am SO tired due to read certains things from certain a.net members that sometimes I'm a bit impulsive. Anyhow my
157 Post contains links N79969 : You are ignoring the difference between firm order and less concrete agreements. I did not say the Chinese will buy fewer aircraft. http://www.forbes
158 Scbriml : I'm not - I haven't claimed that Airbus has a firm order for 150. You said "They signed a lesser agreement that could generate up to 150 sales.". I t
159 N79969 : This is what I was trying to say as well.
160 A319XFW : From what I've heard it's not an if or even a when, but a small "where?"
161 Post contains images Scbriml : So now we're agreeing! How did that happen?
162 Post contains images Scbriml : You may want to check the numbers before you make such bold statements. As of 30th November the numbers are: A32x - 549 B737 - 462 When I went to sch
163 DL021 : Thanks...that's what I figured after reading the order books on the 787 and 737 deals. I am a bit concerned for the future if Airbus opens a line in
164 777ER : Man I would love to have a big massive cheque book like that to purchase planes for different airlines.....oh yea it would be fun spending other peopl
165 Anxebla : Agree! but I think Airbus is handing over a not key technology. Airbus can give until a limited point ...cos I dont believe they could be so stupid t
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