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Missile Assault At DHL Aircraft - Is It True?  
User currently offlineSmeagol From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Look at the pictures at the URL below:

http://www.teein.com/01/2/421348.htm (In Chinese, Sorry)

No intention to discuss any political related topics. Just for curiosity: is it ture? If it is true, TECHNICALLY, how to guarantee the safty of the a/c and passengers in today's given situation. Particularly when the aircrafts are taking off or approaching?


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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Yes it's real - this was a DHL A300 from Baghdad. It was an amazing feat of pilotry getting the aircraft down again with a hole in the rear spar.

User currently offlineSwa tpa From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1560 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

The DHL plane was true as far as I know.

I cant say anything for the validity of the picture of the man with the missle launcher being of the actual attack on the DHL plane.

SWA TPA



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

RE: Images Of Rocket Attack On DHL Plane (by Gearup Sep 9 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2317598

Although you could have peformed a search, I thought I will do it.

Link above contains pics.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

It is true, there is a video of the man launching the missle on the internet somewhere.

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3840 times:
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Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
It was an amazing feat of pilotry getting the aircraft down again with a hole in the rear spar.

Considering in addition to the hole in the rear spar on the wing, they had a raging fire, no hydraulics, and probably were scared out of their wits, absolutely !

They had two things going for them :

- They hadn't cleaned up the plane; so they were still configured for low/slow flight (this is one of the factors that doomed ua232, if you rememeber ... it couldn't slow down, so when they slammed down, it was waaaaay too fast) ... this allowed them to turn around and land at a somewhat normal speed

- The crew had just attended a lecture by Al Haynes, captain of the above mentioned UA232 ... his talk is about his experiences on UA232 using engine thrust to control a jet that has lost all hydraulics. This is exactly what the DHL crew did to turn around and manage a landing.

They actually touched down on the centerline of the runway, too !

Their lack of hydraulics caused the plane to veer off the runway (no steering), which actually ended up being a good thing : the sand thrown up by the nose gear snuffed the fire.

The plane itself, I think, is still at the Baghdad airport ...

- litz


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

A Fantastic Display of Flying.Hats off to the Crew.Great effort.
This is a Danger which will exist in the Future too.Hopefully Lighter Missile Shields can be developed for Civil Airliners.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 5):
no hydraulics

Well, did the DHL bird lost hausralics to all 3 systems, or "just" one?

The main problem of flight UA232 was that it lost haudralics over all 3 systems. They could only stear, climb and descend with controlling engine power.

I beleve the DHL had a few operational systems left.

Doesn't realy matter, the crew did an awesome job!!

Quoting Litz (Reply 5):
Their lack of hydraulics caused the plane to veer off the runway (no steering), which actually ended up being a good thing : the sand thrown up by the nose gear snuffed the fire.

I also heard the wing did hit the ground after landing, so that it slammed to the right, off the runway.



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineTkcom From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

There's a show called "Mayday" on Discovery Channel Canada that documented this event. It was aired like a few days ago. The episode name is "Attack Over Bagdad." It actually has the video footage of the attack.

I think the show's name is different in other countries, IIRC.

Quoting Morvious (Reply 7):

Well, did the DHL bird lost hausralics to all 3 systems, or "just" one?

According to the show, all 3 were down.

[Edited 2005-12-05 17:45:25]

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting Morvious (Reply 7):
Well, did the DHL bird lost hausralics to all 3 systems, or "just" one?

The DHL's A300 lost all 3 hydraulic systems, due to the heavy damages sustained by the right wing. Fortunately the front spare was untouched and kept the wing attached to the plane.


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Here is a presntation by Jacques Rosay, the Airbus chief test pilot, on the matter:

http://wingfiles.com/files/liaison/26baghdad.pdf


User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Does the A300 actually have 3 systems or just two? I thought most twin jets only had 2 systems as there are only two engine driven pumps (one per engine).

User currently offlineJeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
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I can't help but think the assailants thought they were shooting at a passenger plane. If they were hoping to kill 100+ passengers with that missile, then they must have looked like a bunch of idiots if and when they found out that the target was a cargo plane with less than a handful of souls on board.


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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 11):
Does the A300 actually have 3 systems or just two? I thought most twin jets only had 2 systems as there are only two engine driven pumps (one per engine).

This a quote from the description of the events by the DHL's crew:
"Vers 8000 pieds un choc ébranle l’avion, associé en quelques secondes à une succession d’alarmes sonores. Mario annonce la perte des circuits hydrauliques vert et jaune, et vingt secondes plus tard le circuit bleu perd à son tour sa pression."

Which translates into:"Around 8000 feet the plane is shakened by a shock, together with, a few seconds later, a succession of alarms ringing. Mario informs us about the loss of the green and yellow hydraulic circuits, and twenty seconds later, the blue one losses also its pressure"


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Is the plane still at Baghdad.

I thought that it was being scrapped.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

What is interesting to note is that the heat seeker missed the engine. Had it struck there, it would have destroyed the plane. A second missile was fired and it missed completely. They were firing from too far away. They just didn't know how to use their equipment. You can see in the footage, those disgusting cockroaches dancing up and down with glee when they think they just killed hundreds of people.

[Edited 2005-12-09 23:40:14]


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User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Thanks for the PDF, 319. Those pilots have much kung fu!

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 12):
I can't help but think the assailants thought they were shooting at a passenger plane. If they were hoping to kill 100+ passengers with that missile, then they must have looked like a bunch of idiots if and when they found out that the target was a cargo plane with less than a handful of souls on board.

Not to mention that one of them managed to miss it entirely. Nice shootin', Tex! You can't even hit an A300 on takeoff. I can just picture one of his buddies on the ground slapping the turbin off his head as the missile careens off course. "You dumbass! Those missiles cost more than a years pay for our whole unit!"



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9653 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3022 times:
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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

To answer the original post, I don't think anyone denies that this happened. I remember it being on the news when it occured.

It's just a shame that the pilots never got more recognition than they did. Of course, had it not ended as well, it would be all over the news.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Same topic, and yes it is true.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2314300



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