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Are All NW Replacement Mechanics Fired?  
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9057 times:
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Today in MKE I saw a guy with a Swissport coat on. He stopped to talk when he recognized me. He is the former Director of Maintenance for ZW in MKE and now with Swissport. He told me that they had taken over all aircraft maintenance for NW and that all of the replacement mechanics had been fired. Is this happening anywhere else, or is MKE it so far?


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9018 times:
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How many NW mechs were/are in MKE? I've not heard about this but since they have no contract anything is possible. Very sure this, if any replacing is true, would only be at a few stations and to work that could be taken elsewhere.

[Edited 2005-12-06 08:38:57]


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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8997 times:

I can't imagine they can outsource the MX work to anybody else at one of their hubs.... I doubt anyone has that much capacity.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8974 times:
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Quoting M404 (Reply 1):
How many NW mechs were/are in MKE? I've not heard about this but since they have no contract anything is possible

Before the strike there were about thirty mechanics. NW overnights six mainline aircraft here every night. Three 757's and three A319/20's. All aircraft recieve a full line check, and anything else that is needed. In MKE NW has the ability to do full engine changes as well. It's crazy that they would replace their replacements, were they costing that much money?



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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

Replacements in MSP and DTW were permanently hired. Approximately 480 strikers crossed the picket line. 880 total hired between the 2 locations.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1778/5765576.html


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8789 times:

Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..


http://www.amfa33.org/strike/scabs.htm



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 5):
Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..

Incredible....

Yeah, god forbid these guys actually looked out for their FAMILY and LIVELIHOOD first before the anonymous thronging masses lead by a corrupt and misguided union.

Calling them selfish with no principals or morals (BTW, it's "PRINCIPLES" you dumb fucks!!), is borderline slander. Saying that they're ruining people's lives?

Boy, I'd say that's actionable. Or at least rattle the sabre enough to get AMFA to capitulate like the tough talking weenies they are.

I commend those men for doing what they felt is right--they owe no obligation to their union; their first obligation is to be providers and breadwinners--professional mechanics and technicians--not union lapdogs.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 5):
Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..

Funny stuff in there, about the Scab Evaluation. One thing's for sure though, their names are down in blood, and goodluck trying to ever get hired by another union company in this lifetime.

I saw a NW A319 come into JAX the other day, on either engine nacelle, written in the dirt/grease on it, said "Die Scabs" in about 1' high letters.  bomb 

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8604 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 5):
Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..

Are you surprised?



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User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
Yeah, god forbid these guys actually looked out for their FAMILY and LIVELIHOOD first before the anonymous thronging masses lead by a corrupt and misguided union.

So, the rest of the striking AMFA members (3000+) that have not crossed the picket line are not looking out for their families livelihood???? How about the corrupt and misguided upper management????

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
Calling them selfish with no principals or morals (BTW, it's "PRINCIPLES" you dumb fucks!!), is borderline slander. Saying that they're ruining people's lives?

To cross a picket line you have no morals or principles,end of story.


User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

Sorry DeltaGuy I was quoting Slider, some reason it came up as quoting you.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 9):
How about the corrupt and misguided upper management????

Can you give us some examples of the "corrupt" upper management at Northwest?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 9):
To cross a picket line you have no morals or principles,end of story.

I could argue that to be in a union, you must lack the intelligence or drive to get and retain a high paying job, and as proof I need only to point to the above scab website.



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

Dokken10

Sorry, I have to disagree. To cross a picket line you need exceptionally strong morals and principles. You also need a good strong spine. Anyone can hunker down with 3000 brothers and "show strength". It takes real moral conviction to stand up and cross those lines. How many of the "brotherhood" are just too scared to stand up for themselves??????


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13522 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8551 times:
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Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 5):
Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..

I wonder why unions don't understand the old scare tactics backfire today? The new trick of making a company look bad, as in the Walmart campaign, seems to be much more effective.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Are you surprised?

Unfortunately, no.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
One thing's for sure though, their names are down in blood, and goodluck trying to ever get hired by another union company in this lifetime.

Yea, but it goes the other way too. Besides, if they're working for NW... they're not looking for another job.

Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
I commend those men for doing what they felt is right--they owe no obligation to their union; their first obligation is to be providers and breadwinners--professional mechanics and technicians--not union lapdogs.

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I hope NW pulls through. Otherwise, we'll never know what they'll replace the DC-9's with!  duck 

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8490 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
Can you give us some examples of the "corrupt" upper management at Northwest?

In the early 90s NWA owned most of their A/C, along comes Cheeci and Wilson and start a Company called Wings something (sorry I can't remember the correct name) and shift ownership of NWA A/C to this company and lease the A/C back to NWA. They also stated "Debt is our friend" and look what that friend has done now. The state of Minnesota gave NWA millions (early 90's)for the Duluth base and other facitilies and never lived up to their promises and still owe millions to the taxpayers. Today they are still trying to get MAC and the state to pay for MSP airport expansion with the promise of thousands of jobs. NWA upper management's pensions are in a trust fund and are untouchable in BK but they want to dump the employee's pension on the US taxpayers. The employees will receive less than half of what was promised and NWA could have made the pension whole when they were setting record profits in the mid and late 90s.


User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

Please give examples of the corruption in AMFA?

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 5):
Really classy of the AMFA Union to launch this type of website..

Are you surprised?

Not really, just disappointed.



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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8409 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
Can you give us some examples of the "corrupt" upper management at Northwest?

Once again Bob, you ask for examples, defending NWA management. Are you their public relations officer?


User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Being an A/P technician for 15 years now I've worked for non-union and union shops. How many of you have worked for an union?

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 18):
Once again Bob, you ask for examples, defending NWA management. Are you their public relations officer?

NWA management is hardly blame free particularly Wilson and Cheechi but they are hardly corrupt.

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 15):
Today they are still trying to get MAC and the state to pay for MSP airport expansion

Do you think this is unusal for an airport authority to pay to expand its own airport?

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 15):
but they want to dump the employee's pension on the US taxpayers

This is not true!


User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 15):
but they want to dump the employee's pension on the US taxpayers

This is not true

The PDGC (US government) will take over the pension plan. Where do you think the money will come from?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 19):
How many of you have worked for an union?

I have, but then I had no choice. If I wanted the job I had to be in the union. It was like an Iranian election. You can vote for whomever you please as long as it's the one approved guy.



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User currently offlineDokken10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 15):
Today they are still trying to get MAC and the state to pay for MSP airport expansion

Do you think this is unusal for an airport authority to pay to expand its own airport?

MAC did not come up with the idea of expanding the gates!! NWA is pushing the idea with the promise of adding more jobs. With their past record and the massive lay-offs that have been going on recently do you think its wise to give NWA what they want? If you gave money to someone and they did not pay you back or live up to their promises would you give them more money?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 9):

So, the rest of the striking AMFA members (3000+) that have not crossed the picket line are not looking out for their families livelihood????

Simply put no, they aren't. They're lounging at home with a beer living off their savings or spouse's incomes all the while whining about unfair treatment.

Quoting Dokken10 (Reply 9):
To cross a picket line you have no morals or principles,end of story.

That's crap.

The morality of unions in general is to do the least amount of work for the most pay. Its practically antithetic to the American dream.

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25 AF-A319 : It's funny, because in Europe, we also think that America is a land of entrepreneurship, freedom and self-accomplishement! Needless to say that the be
26 MaverickM11 : To be fair, that's the underlying motivation of just about every living thing on earth--get the most utility while expending the least "cost".
27 Dokken10 : I have worked for the IAM and AMFA and the IAM worked that way. That was one of the big reasons we voted them out of NWA. AMFA does not work that way
28 MidnightMike : Funny that you mentioned that, Unions started off with the best of intentions, but over the years, some of the Unions have become just as greedy, or
29 Dokken10 : Stop lying!!! Again I've worked for both union and non-union and A/C checks went out in about the same amount of time. The quality of union work is a
30 MaverickM11 : Well, for starters, a portion of my paycheck went to support a cause that I did not want, nor believe in, nor did anything for me. But that's really
31 Gigneil : Lying? You can't really lie about an opinion. I work in telecommunications. The hands-on part of the field is pretty well split union/non union. When
32 Dokken10 : Far from the truth. Most are working,going to school or looking for new jobs. Who are you to say what anyone does with their savings!!!! IF they are
33 Dokken10 : Please show me were it is impossible to fire an union employee. There is the grievance process that protects someone from being fired at will without
34 Dokken10 : 5 times as much???? Are you hiring illegal immigrants? I've never seen a payscale with that much difference. This is a aviation forum not telecommuni
35 Dokken10 : In my 15 years as an A/P I can tell you from 1st hand experience what I have seen.
36 Post contains links Flashmeister : To cross a picket line you have no morals or principles,end of story. If you have no dependents, then few people would care much if you starved as a r
37 Dokken10 : Sorry I have seen pay scales with a big difference. Union and non-union pilots.
38 BHMBAGLOCK : That's why the majority of the growth in manufacturing is in right to work states. If it's not a right to work state and the union management are not
39 MaverickM11 : It's not economically possible. When you remove the incentives/disincentives for increased quality/efficiency/performance, you inherently will see a
40 Dokken10 : With all the outsourcing of good paying American jobs at what point do all of you say enough is enough? AMFA members draw a line in the sand to try to
41 MaverickM11 : If they're "skilled" jobs, how come they can never find employment when they lose said jobs? Absolutely not. True. False. It's the opposite. The unio
42 Post contains images Zvezda : " target=_blank>http://www.amfa33.org/strike/scabs.htm What else could one expect from a protection racket? Ethical behavior?
43 Post contains images Syncmaster : I could not agree more. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've seen AMFA employees sleeping on the job. Lord forbid they actually do th
44 Bobnwa : Obviously you are not following the NWA pension situation. NWA along with AA,DL,CO and ALPA, PFAA,TWU, APFA are jointly encouraging congress to pass
45 Dokken10 : Are you saying A/P tech's are not skilled? Most are finding new jobs myself included.
46 Dokken10 : WHAT????
47 Dokken10 : More details on this?
48 Post contains images AndrewUber : A SCAB is the first step in HEALING. I am proud to employ quite a few "scabs", and we have taken over quite a few AMFA jobs! More are coming soon too!
49 MaverickM11 : The common (union) complaint is that these 'highly qualified and skilled workers cannot find work once they are terminated'. This is a paradox, as th
50 Dokken10 : What do you think a strike is?
51 Dokken10 : Funny thing is that most of the scabs tried to get on with the airlines and were rejected when the airlines were hiring.
52 Dokken10 : Any link to this statement?
53 Dokken10 : I guess you are OK with hiring illegal immigrants also?
54 Dokken10 : A/P tech's that is not true!! Other work groups you might be right.
55 MidnightMike : A majority of the jobs that the AMFA were trying to protect were for the cleaners & custodians.
56 Arffguy : The problem is being in too specialized of a business. There aren't as many other places to go to work at compared to say.....a real estate agent or
57 Slashd0t : I think that Union site is absolutely horrible.
58 Dokken10 : As some have stated that it is honorible to be a scab and you are just taking care of your family why is posting their names and pictures a problem?
59 Dokken10 : I disagree. They want to lay-off about half of the A/Ps also. AMFA was in a catch 22 position with the cleaners & custodians. Do you just forget abou
60 Post contains images Bomber996 : If you were a snorer (not saying you are), and I made a site bashing snorers would you be a little ticked off if I put your picture and name on this
61 Dw9115 : I really hate when people say things like this how is the management corrupt? Why do the unions think they owe them anything? THE ONLY THING THE MANA
62 Malaysia : For the union maybe, but crossing the picket line, You do have morals and principles for the Airline and you take pride in your work and your Airline
63 Malaysia : Yeah but most maintenance is being outsourced outside the United States, so less openings in Airlines, and they can easily find a job with defense co
64 Zvezda : I'm proud of you too! Welcome to my Respected Users list!
65 Dokken10 : Please name any US airlines that when times were good gave a new contract in a timely manner?? SWA for the mechanics about a year ago maybe. 9 times
66 Dw9115 : If the current contract is not up then the airlines do not have to give them a new contract. However several airlines past and present have given the
67 Dokken10 : Steel who sold scrap steel to other countries for dirt cheap? Automotive late 70s and 80s very little money spent for R&D and the Japanese built a be
68 Dw9115 : The fact is unions are a thing of the past they do more harm then good now days. This may be a little off topic but most union brass give the Democra
69 Dokken10 : Unions are the ones that got the following benefits: paid vacations,sick leave,pension,insurance plans,FAA safety regs,workman's compensation laws,so
70 M404 : So, as the lead question from 69 replies ago asked, has Swissport taken over any ex AMFA/NWA jobs at MKE?
71 Dokken10 : AMFA is not part of the AFL-CIO !!!! Union leaders in AMFA are paid a lot less than other union leaders. I agree that there is a lot of corruption in
72 Dw9115 : I will grant unions have done a few good things in the past. But social security I think not FDR is almost solely responsible for that even though pl
73 Dokken10 : There are plenty of avaition jobs out there and you don't have to cross a picket line!!!!
74 Dokken10 : Also, the unions were the ones who pushed the FMLA (Family Leave Act) I also believe that the unions pushed FDR into Social Security.
75 Dw9115 : Well I personally do not think unions are good for the US and most western markets anymore. However emerging markets could use the help they offer un
76 AndrewUber : That's because the airlines had entrenched AMFA workers who were costing the airline upwards of $150.00 per hour. Now that this dead weight is gone,
77 Syncmaster : I will not go into more details in the forum, you, as well as I, know its true. Ding ding ding! We have a winner. If the employee does not like it, t
78 Post contains links BoomBoom : Did any of you look at the pictures of the mechanics on this website? One appears to be sleeping, another is sticking his tongue out, and another is
79 Post contains images Aileron11 : If NWA mechanics belong to teamsters, aviation division they will not be in this position.
80 ContnlEliteCMH : I have. For 11 weeks in 1991, I was a member of the union at Armco Steel's Middletown works. It was part of the "Sons and Daughters of Employees" pro
81 Incitatus : The US is a capitalist society. If I am willing to produce the same good as you (aircraft repairs) for less money, I win and you lose. People out the
82 Supa7E7 : You think aviation unions are bad, just take a look at our unionized public school system. Now there is a money trap designed in hell. Plus, the negat
83 ZKEYE : One of the better posts I have seen on this site for a while. That is almost exactly the same experience I had with Unions here in New Zealand but in
84 AndrewUber : Absolutely brilliant. Very well said, and welcome to my RR list. Drew
85 Dokken10 : When I worked for NWA 3 years ago we were told by management it was cost them about $60.00 per A/P. Where do you get $150.00????
86 Dokken10 : Do I win a prize for being on the RR list??
87 Dokken10 : Again a strike is quitting your job and moving on? Like I did.
88 Post contains images Lightsaber : I've seen this again and again on union floors. "Slow down" or the even better "don't work ourselves out of a job." Grrr... I work in a mixed union a
89 Ahdharia : Yeah...apparently you got no morals and principles either. A union is supposed to look out for the welfare of its members, not destroy their lives wh
90 ZKEYE : My point was if you don't like the pay and conditions then move on to somewhere where you do like them. But I have a couple of questions for you. The
91 Ahdharia : Well so far they havent announced that....but even though...what about the other US carriers who have already dumped them?
92 Dokken10 : I will not defend all unions because I have not worked for them. I'm only defending my trade and the union I believe in AMFA. All I can say is that wh
93 Dokken10 : Apparently you have no idea what the last offer NWA gave to AMFA!!!! All offers by NWA would have laid-off 55% or more from day one. Do you think tha
94 Aogdesk : Maverick, yes you certainly could argue your point. Please spare us however, there are many of us that can and do lift ourselves to the point (and be
95 Nrcnyc : There is name calling on both sides, it clearly cant be helpful to striking a reasonable deal. There is such a thing as haggling, but this childish. I
96 Lightsaber : In which case, for your shop, I have to take back much of what I said. My dad personally likes unions because the one he dealt with leaned really hea
97 Dokken10 : When Delta filed BK the 1st thing they said was that they were not going to put money into the retirement plans. Then the BK judge or the US governme
98 ContnlEliteCMH : No. Tell ya what, though. I'm thinking about putting you on mine just for sheer guts. You get full marks for bravery.
99 AndrewUber : Let's see - by the time you add up every penny that having you onboard costs the airline - your excessive wage, payroll taxes, health benefits, other
100 Dokken10 : That is $60.00 per hour with everything you mentioned for A/P techs. Cleaners made about $22.00 per hour. Are you saying it cost NWA $100.00 per hour
101 Dokken10 : EVERY company in the US pays for these cost you mentioned!!!! Please tell me what these other benefits are you mentioned. With that statement you mad
102 Dokken10 : Do you know how much per hour SWA,UPS and Fedex A/P techs make per hour? From my experience on this site 90% of you don't even work in the aviation bu
103 ZKEYE : I have yet to find anyone who is "paid what they are worth" in wage or salary employment. If your are providing value for money to the company they w
104 ZKEYE : Don't be so conceited. Aviation is an industry just like any other. Its hardly the only job that other lives rely on. By the way you haven't addresse
105 LMP737 : If you truly believe that then I suggest you stop flying on commercial airlines that have union pilots and mechanics. After all one would have to hav
106 Post contains images Dougloid : Fact of the matter is that strikebreakers have a difficult time because they're marked men. I see no difficulty with this website although in real ter
107 Dw9115 : Has anyone realized that the union by posting those pictures without the expressed written consent of those individuals that are pictured, have commit
108 SCXmechanic : Dokken10, For what its worth, I added you to my Respected List. Its sad that you have to come on here and defend the wages you, I and the other Techs
109 ZKEYE : That's what I object to. It is up to the individual but disgraceful websites like that try, through pressure, to ensure that the individual has littl
110 Bobnwa : At the beginning of this discussion you were claiming that Northwest had already dumped the pensions.(reply 15) Now you are just predicting they will
111 ReidYYZ : Call it ignorant on my part, but a significant problem that I see, is lumping in techs with cleaners/custodians. They are distinct groups with distinc
112 Dokken10 : SWA tech's were Teamsters and they voted them out a few years ago. The are AMFA now.
113 Dokken10 : Read post 93 and tell me how AMFA members could get a 51% or more yes vote. Do some research on NWA past labor relations and see what it took to get
114 Dokken10 : You can thank the IAM and the AFL-CIO for pushing the US gov for adding the cleaners and custodians in the skill class as the Tech's. Main reason for
115 Dokken10 : AFL-CIO affiliated unions have a no-raid clause making it impossible to switch from the IAM to the Teamsters. I have seen reports that the Teamsters
116 Dokken10 : Sorry wrong wording in reply 15
117 Dokken10 : Were am I being so conceited. If I know that I'm doing the best job that I can do, doing the job right and keeping people safe in the air,then yes I'
118 Dokken10 : I'm conceited because 90% of you don't work in the aviation business???? On that theory you qualify to tell doctors,lawyers etc. that they don't know
119 Dokken10 : I'm back boys!!!! Bring it on!!!!
120 Dokken10 : Exactly the same situation I've run into. I was actually fired from a job for using 5 of my 10 sick days. They used insubordination because I refused
121 MidnightMike : SWA - Profitable UPS - Profitable Fedex - Profitablte You are comparing an airline that is in bankruptcy courts, to airlines that have been profitabl
122 Dokken10 : Do you remember the early 90s at NWA when the said they were on the brink of BK? The unions gave them big consessions and were promised that when thi
123 Dokken10 : Due you know that we were about to go on strike and GW stepped in and said that the airline were to vital to the US economy and stopped the strike. H
124 Dokken10 : AMFA was willing to take consession but what NWA DEMANDED and would not move on their position was TOO much. Read my earlier post about 55% laid-off
125 MidnightMike : Dokken Big difference between 2001 & now, the Federal can not always involve themselves with the private enterprise. ALPA did not have to go on strike
126 Dokken10 : Over the past couple of years NWA has increase the amount of managers in Tech ops. If they don't need as many Tech's or cleaners why do they need mor
127 ZKEYE : They are not doing what NWA A/P Techs are. If they were, I would. The blind Union line (All Management is bad, its their fault the airline is in trou
128 Dokken10 : Let stick with SWA for now. SWA techs pay, about the same as NWA techs pay was before strike. SWA has a sound business plan, NWA???? SWA management's
129 Dokken10 : Please tell me why SWA is profitable and NWA is not?
130 Dokken10 : UAL is a great example of bad management. Turned down for the Airline bailout loans 2 or 3 times because they did not have a sound business plan. In
131 Dokken10 : Enron,Worldcom,Tyco etc. employees had NOTHING to do with their down falls. Why do most of you think that this could not be happening at the airlines
132 StuckInCA : It's hard for me to make a connection between keeping yourself and your family in a home and "morals and principles." A wise 1st grader told my wife
133 MidnightMike : You keep ranting about bad management, which is normally a pro-union war cry. My opinion is that when an airline loses money, all sides are to blame.
134 Dokken10 : As stated before on this thread by me and others " there are plenty of A/P jobs out there that you don't have to cross a picket line". So feeding you
135 Dokken10 : Sorry, but the employees really had no say in business decisions under the ESOP plan.
136 Dokken10 : I will not defend other work groups. This will be a surprise to most on here, I do agree with you. I'm just defending my trade. Other work groups wil
137 Dokken10 : If all sides are to blame and management wants employees to take a 25% or more paycut and slash all other bennies, then management should take the sa
138 StuckInCA : If that is true then the AMFA mechanics should have no problem finding other work. If they are not happy with what Northwest is willing to pay them t
139 Dokken10 : Do you know how much the employees at UAL made off of the ESOP stock???? Answer: 0 dollars and 0 cents
140 Post contains links and images Commavia : When American consumers decide it's enough. Every few months, this topic pops up, about how evil it is that we are outsourcing jobs overseas and Amer
141 Dokken10 : I look for a bigger and better deal almost every day, trust me there are good paying jobs out there for A/Ps. I'm also retraining (school) and do som
142 StuckInCA : Sounds like you are doing all the right things. Good for you. Good luck. Given your age, I can see how some people might jump on you for you views. I
143 Dokken10 : Lets see energy bills are higher,automobile prices higher,food higher,health insurance higher,housing higher,mortgage rates higher etc. Do my savings
144 Post contains links Dw9115 : Well exit polls can said to be a little misleading at times granted it usually works about 65% of the time. Do you understand how exit polling works?
145 Dokken10 : I take polling with a grain of salt. Do you remember the polls in Iowa with Howard Dean winning by a large margin. The final voting numbers were?
146 StuckInCA : What are you saying? I went to that site and quickly found an article which showed that in 2004, 59% of union households voted Democrat (according to
147 Dokken10 : I heard the same thing about Aircraft Mechanics for the last 10 years that were to retire from the Vietnam war and there was going to be huge shortag
148 Dw9115 : You might want to also add this. Last week's historic split in the House of Labor was driven, at least in part, by disagreements over whether the AFL
149 Dokken10 : UAL employee buy-out happened in the early 90's. The so-called very generous union contracts did not happen until 2000 or 2001. To get those contract
150 Commavia : Don't assume anything. My family, indeed, has been very personally impacted by the "receiving end of cost cutting measures," and I have not only seen
151 Bobnwa : NWA did not give HUGE bonuses to management after the contracts were signed. This is not true!! All employee groups were given the option of common s
152 Dougloid : Without getting into the personal ethics aspect of it, when you're getting that interview, there are certain things that the HR people are looking fo
153 StuckInCA : I was pointing out that many people, based on your age, might make that assumption. I did not. I even pointed it out in my post but perhaps was not c
154 Dokken10 : I used the Howard Dean polls as an example. What other poll did I say to look at?
155 Dokken10 : It is true!! The fact is the IAM still had to take NWA to court for them to pay up.
156 Bobnwa : I know for a fact from personal experience, it is not true!! If I were an IAM member, I would question the leadership on why they took the preferred
157 Dokken10 : I really don't believe that. Here or a few of the reason I don't shop at Wal-mart anymore. Drinking glass at WM a set $20.00 and lasted maybe 1 year.
158 Dokken10 : I agree they took the wrong stock. No matter what stock it was, the FACT is that they had to take NWA to court to get them to pay up!!
159 Dokken10 : This is the best marketing scams that I have seen in a long time. American auto maker selling car for employee prices. 99.9% of the consumers have no
160 Commavia : Well, you have obviously had bad experiences with what I presume you view as inferior products purchased at Wal Mart. However, I can tell you that th
161 Bobnwa : Northwest never said they would not pay up. Do you have any proof that it is true that management had a huge pay raise after the contracts were signe
162 Dokken10 : So, why were they in court?
163 Dokken10 : Not pay raises, bonuses. Like I made copies of managements bonus checks!! Let me ask you, what proof do you have that they did not get bonuses?
164 Commavia : Well, not knowing either way, any "bonuses," or any compensation, would have to have been disclosed in the company's proxy statement from that given
165 Bobnwa : How can I prove something didn't happen. I will just re-state that NW management did not receive huge bonuses or pay raises after the contracts were
166 Dokken10 : I guess that is what it would take to proof who is right and who is wrong. Didn't Carty or Crandall (sorry I get the two mixed up) at AA a few years
167 Commavia : It was Carty, not Crandall (who left the company in May 1998). And it was not that anyone was getting bonuses. In fact, most of American's senior off
168 Dokken10 : Thank you for correcting me,I was wrong. What AA did with keeping people working,keeping maintenance in-house (as they have stated better maintenance
169 ContnlEliteCMH : Do a little homework, friend. If you're referring to GM, the pricing deal was exactly what they said it was: employee price. It was no scam, except p
170 Dokken10 : D Does the normal Joe get any rebates on top of the employees price? I'm no expert but don't most consumers one get one discount? Does Joe get the $10
171 Dokken10 : I have argued this point on this board before about A/C. New planes compared used paid-off planes. Many articles about NWA DC-9 overhaul decision and
172 Dokken10 : 1998 I was paying about $.80 per gallon for 87 oct. 92 oct. was $1.00
173 ContnlEliteCMH : The $1000 cash back is a one-time grant to GM retirees, and must be cashed by the end of $2006. So no, Normal Joe doesn't get that. And to be fair, w
174 Dokken10 : As I stated previously tons of articles about NWA DC-9 over new decision. Honestly, I heard Boeing and Airbus make great claims about fuel efficiency
175 ContnlEliteCMH : I know. I remember. But that doesn't invalidate my statement, which is still true. Besides, if we're being truly honest, gasoline may be the second l
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