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Virgin Atlantic / Virgin Galactic Going To Space  
User currently offlineAv8rboie From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Virgin Atlantic is now going to offer flights to outer space. The cost of the trip $200,000.00 or 2,000,000 frequent flier miles. The first trip is planned for 2008. They said they need time to build the spacecraft, and a space station. How can they possibly think 2 years is enough to accomplish such a large operation?

http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/06/news...irgin_space.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

-M

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Av8rboie (Thread starter):
Virgin Atlantic is now going to offer flights to outer space. The cost of the trip $200,000.00 or 2,000,000 frequent flier miles. The first trip is planned for 2008. They said they need time to build the spacecraft, and a space station. How can they possibly think 2 years is enough to accomplish such a large operation?

Burt Rutan is the guy doing the engineering. He'll get it done.



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User currently offlineAv8rboie From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Burt Rutan is the guy doing the engineering. He'll get it done.

Wow! You sound like you have a lot of faith. Seems like a pretty big task to complete in 24th months still. Should be interesting to see what happens.

-M


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

The station comes later. They are using a derivative of SS1 for the initial venture. When Rutan comes up with an orbital version with a 400NM ceiling, then the station can go ahead.

User currently offlinePixuk From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Av8rboie (Reply 2):
Wow! You sound like you have a lot of faith. Seems like a pretty big task to complete in 24th months still. Should be interesting to see what happens.

A lot of the work already has been done. The only thing new in this news story is that Virgin Atlantic announced this morning that you'll be able to trade 2 million of their frequent flyer miles for a ticket. Virgin Galatic have been selling seats on this for some time.

Pete


User currently offlineAv8rboie From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

If only I had 200,000.00 or 2,000,000 frequent flyer miles LOL

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Damn, I might have to start flying VS a lot more....

-Mir



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Av8rboie (Thread starter):
The first trip is planned for 2008. They said they need time to build the spacecraft, and a space station. How can they possibly think 2 years is enough to accomplish such a large operation?

Well if the past is anything to judge by, remember that Branson said after acquiring Virgin Express that within two years they would be the major airline in Europe. He also stated that Virgin Eurostar would carry over 10 million passengers within two years, and that Virgin Cola would outsell Pepsi Cola within two years. Where are Virgin Express and Virgin Cola today?!? Virgin Eurostar? And were we not informed that Virgin America would be up and running by now?

Morever, if Virgin Atlantic cannot even generate enough passengers/revenue to go twice daily on their cherry-picked terrestrial routes other than London/New York, do you honestly think they could succeed on space flights?



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
do you honestly think they could succeed on space flights?

I suppose if the demand is there, well then yes.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12782 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Burt Rutan is the guy doing the engineering. He'll get it done.

 checkmark  If anything, Rutan works best if he isn't given enough time.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
Morever, if Virgin Atlantic cannot even generate enough passengers/revenue to go twice daily on their cherry-picked terrestrial routes other than London/New York, do you honestly think they could succeed on space flights?

If nothing else, its going to burn a lot of FF miles!

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Is that an April fool ?  sarcastic 

Richard.B was probably the only one to think he was funny with all his tricks, but now he is becoming really pathetic !

Maybe he still hopes to get 1 or 2 Concorde from BA or AF, boost it with 2 extra engines and here we go ... yallah !

This is ridiculous !

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
Well if the past is anything to judge by, remember that Branson said after acquiring Virgin Express that within two years they would be the major airline in Europe. He also stated that Virgin Eurostar would carry over 10 million passengers within two years, and that Virgin Cola would outsell Pepsi Cola within two years. Where are Virgin Express and Virgin Cola today?!? Virgin Eurostar? And were we not informed that Virgin America would be up and running by now?

Morever, if Virgin Atlantic cannot even generate enough passengers/revenue to go twice daily on their cherry-picked terrestrial routes other than London/New York, do you honestly think they could succeed on space flights?

 bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 578 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
This is ridiculous !

Why? Because you can't afford it?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 11):
Why? Because you can't afford it?



Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 11):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
This is ridiculous !

Why? Because you can't afford it?

No. simply because, unless you still believe in Santa Clauss, it is impossible.

This just another publicity scoop from SRB, as he is used too ... (see BCAL's reply # 7).


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

er, can he do it? I don't mean will he be able to buy the necessary technology and engineering expertise - I mean can he do it, legally.

Any sub-orbital flight will have a departure point in the US, and (I believe) the same arrival point. Although the origin and destination is the same this would be a 'domestic' flight, wouldn't it? It wouldn't qualify as 5th freedom, since it isn't connected to a UK/EU originating flight. He couldn't even land in Mexico or Canada, because he would need 7ths freedom rights for that.

Can a non-US company, Virgin, operate a domestic flight in the US? Wouldn't he have to set up a separate company, with 51% US ownership (and 75% US voting rights) AND with 75% US citizen management?

Maybe Virgin-US, if they can get into the air in the next two years can operate this - but would you invest the kind of money necessary, without having Control?


User currently offlineRottamo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

They already got Ansari X Prize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Rutan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipOne


User currently offlinePixuk From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Ok, many are simply dismissing this as they don't know the history.

Burt Rutan won the X Prize with his Space Ship One; the first privately funded vessel to make it into space. Using Paul Allen's money, Burt Rutan has already flown to space. Let me just repeat that. Burt Rutan has already flown to space - three times, and he's won the $10 million X Prize for doing it.

Branson, and the company he formed in September last year, Virgin Galactic, have simply done an exclusive deal with Rutan, and placed an order for five spaceships. Rutan and Branson have already worked together on the GlobalFlyer.

It was reported last month that Branson already has over $10m in deposits (at $20K a piece) for Virgin Galactic, so whilst a.netters might not have faith, there are plenty of paying customers willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Pete


User currently offlineAv8rboie From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2314 times:

well whether or not it actually happens, the whole prospect is pretty facinating. Just the prospect of every day people taking of for a trip to a space station.

Considering that in the grand scheme of things, even the automobile isn't that old. It's hard to beleive we are on the cusp of citizen space travel.

-M


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