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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

I came across this link from another thread. I guess Jetstar is Qanta's low-cost international carrier. What's exactly the definition of 'low cost' in this case? Is it gonna be like 'no frills no thrills' WN on steroids kinda? Reason I put it that way is because apparently they will be getting either 787's or 350's and will be flying routes within 8-10 hours of Australia. I'm just not sure how you can make such an airline a 'low cost' airline.

http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,17485355-462,00.html

I checked out the thread 'Jetstar International' but didn't get much of an answer there.

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User currently offlineTzadik From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

i just like how in a previous article/post about Jetstar and Qantas it read "Jetstar will not be competing with Qantas on profitable routes"... Always good!!! Sounds like Jetstar is bound for greatness.

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4351 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

So what aircraft will Jetstar operate since the article says:

Qantas would like to start operating the new international carrier by the end of next year, or the start of 2007.

Obviously, it isn't going to be the 350 or 787. 345's/346's perhaps? Sounds like the order will be split between Airbus and Boeing.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
Obviously, it isn't going to be the 350 or 787. 345's/346's perhaps? Sounds like the order will be split between Airbus and Boeing.

.

I was wondering about the same thing too. Maybe they'll lease some A330's till the new birds (787/A350) start flying.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

This is from the Jetstar International thread:
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Jetstar was founded as Impluse Airlines, ... then in the 1990s decided to take on Qantas & Ansett and accquired the B717s. The local businessman apparently spent quite an amount of time in Dallas, conferring with one H. Kelleher before taking this big step. All this while it was still operating as a small business and was one of the first Oz companies to use Australian Workplace Agreements. This had many advantages as far as costs go for example under this agreement the pilots salary was not tied to aircraft type, etc (in fact there was even more dogdy stuff, but we'll leave that).

When QF accquired Impulse, ... In due course Dixon & Co realised that Impulse had an impressive cost structure, at least as compared to QF and was a very flexiable orginasation so they sort to put it to use, hence Jetstar was born.

End Quote

This all means that Jetstar has a very impressive cost structure, in Australian terms, in both Human Resource and flight & enginering operations costs. So it becomes the base for the international LCC.

But ONLY the base. They now have to work out all the rest including aircraft uitlisation (which is very important in LCC operations and more difficult in international operation), foreign port costs, etc, etc, etc. Nobody outside JQ, and maybe even inside, knows how they are going to do this. We will all watch with intrest.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
Gemuser

This sure will be a first. Never thought an international LCC is possible especially because of aircraft utilization issues.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
Obviously, it isn't going to be the 350 or 787. 345's/346's perhaps? Sounds like the order will be split between Airbus and Boeing.

I was wondering about the same thing too. Maybe they'll lease some A330's till the new birds (787/A350) start flying

Word around the traps is that they will get five A330 to start ops, opinion is divided on the question of will they be ex QF birds.

Gemuser



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1720 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
Obviously, it isn't going to be the 350 or 787. 345's/346's perhaps? Sounds like the order will be split between Airbus and Boeing.

If Qantas Group orders A345's for JetStar, I'll eat my hat. That's just silly. I would also suggest that the chances of an A346 in either JetStar or mainline QF colors are at, or very near, zero.

I'd be very surprised if either Airbus or Boeing could build new widebodies for JetStar in this time-frame. They will have to scavenge something from QF mainline, buy used airframes, or lease.

What makes you think it will be a split order? I'm not saying it won't, but I haven't heard anything to support that idea either.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 7):
What makes you think it will be a split order? I'm not saying it won't, but I haven't heard anything to support that idea either.

Good question. I would think if they'll be an LCC, they'll probably start up with one type of aircraft to minimize cost.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4351 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 7):
What makes you think it will be a split order? I'm not saying it won't, but I haven't heard anything to support that idea either.

Split order for QF overall, not for Jetstar. Jetstar may get just one type of aircraft but the order itself is being placed by QF for both QF's requirements and Jetstar's requirements.

But you realize my comment is colored by my own prejudices. I love the 345/346 -- despite the fact that I do believe they are not as efficient as a twin -- and would love to see them in service with an international LCC (and despite the fact that an order for 345/346 with give Leahy one more reason to shoot off with his canyon-sized mouth).



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
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Word is that Jetstar will order Airbus while Qantas will order Boeing. Reason is so Jetstar crews can't demand same pay rates as what Qantas employees get on the same type of aircraft. B777s and B787s for Qantas while Jetstar will get A350s. Boeing will win around 60-70 frames out of the 100 frames that will possible be ordered

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1720 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 9):
But you realize my comment is colored by my own prejudices. I love the 345/346 -- despite the fact that I do believe they are not as efficient as a twin

Fair enough. It's actually unusual and refreshing to see someome just admit their preference. I actually think both the A345 and the A346 are very good looking airplanes. I saw an SQ A345 landing at LAX some time back, stunning. I think it's true, however, that the B772LR and the B773ER are better aircraft and I think the airlines see it that way too.

The only way I think we see a split order here is if Qantas Group decides the B787-9 is too small. At that point we will probably have to wait for a conclusion until Boeing and Airbus figure out the details of the A359 and the B7879HGW or 787-10. It would seem that EK,CX, and maybe QR are in that same boat as well.



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