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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

I'm going to put strong money on AKl-HKG-LGW daily. This will be announced in the coming weeks!


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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6598 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Thread starter):
I'm going to put strong money on AKl-HKG-LGW daily. This will be announced in the coming weeks!

Haha, you must have heard what I heard yesterday. This is looking quite likely now isn't it?

NZ1


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

Why LGW instead of LHR? Slots?

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6580 times:
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Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
Why LGW instead of LHR? Slots?

Exactly. The UK is looking at opening up LHR to other US carriers. If that happens, NZ won't be able to compete with the silly slot prices being paid, hence LGW.

NZ1


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6563 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 3):
Exactly. The UK is looking at opening up LHR to other US carriers. If that happens, NZ won't be able to compete with the silly slot prices being paid, hence LGW.

Yes, but what about connections througout the U.K and europe? I don't think bmi or lufthansa have lots of flights to LGW? I take it that this route will be operated with a 744? I canot wait to find out schedules e.t.c in a few weeks! Will this mean twice daily to LON for NZ?


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 3):
NZ won't be able to compete with the silly slot prices being paid, hence LGW.

That's no good. LGW is a dump. Oh well, at least it's another way of getting to London for staff so i can't really complain.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 5):
That's no good. LGW is a dump. Oh well, at least it's another way of getting to London for staff so i can't really complain.

LGW is definately not a dump. Most of LHR's terminals are disgraceful however.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 4):
Yes, but what about connections througout the U.K and europe? I don't think bmi or lufthansa have lots of flights to LGW? I take it that this route will be operated with a 744? I canot wait to find out schedules e.t.c in a few weeks! Will this mean twice daily to LON for NZ?

I doubt they are looking for connections. They can easily rely on O&D traffic and still make it work.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9641 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 4):
Yes, but what about connections througout the U.K and europe? I don't think bmi or lufthansa have lots of flights to LGW? I take it that this route will be operated with a 744? I canot wait to find out schedules e.t.c in a few weeks! Will this mean twice daily to LON for NZ?

NZ already connects a lot of people to LH via LAX or SFO. People wouldn't go via HKG and LON when they could make a one stop flight to Germany, and from FRA you can go pretty much anywhere in Europe. I don't think connections are significant enough to require service to LHR. NZ already flies daily to LHR anyway.



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

This news is indeed interesting if true, because it will provide the first direct Star Alliance flights from Hong Kong to London.

At present, all Star Alliance HKG-LON flights are via Singapore, Bangkok, Seoul or North America.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

So any ideas on when this is likely to start up. Months, years??

Would much rather a two day stop in HKG on the way to London rather than LAX.


User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

So how will NZ face the stiff competition from CX,QF,BA nd to an extent VS???

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 10):
So how will NZ face the stiff competition from CX,QF,BA nd to an extent VS???

As the only Star Alliance carrier on the route (if this is true) they will have a certain base of FFs who will be over joyed to use them. How many *A FF currently fly HKG-FRA-LON? Thats a ready market. Not to mention *A carriers feeding pax to them at HKG.


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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 6):
LGW is definately not a dump

Actually I think it is - I found a very dated airport, compared to the terminal that NZ currently fly into at LHR at least anyway.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6359 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 4):
Will this mean twice daily to LON for NZ?

The Plan was for twice daily London flights

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 9):
So any ideas on when this is likely to start up. Months, years??

With all the B777s arriving over the next few months and freeing up B744s, I would give it a few months intill the flights start, say maybe March, April or May next year


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 8):
This news is indeed interesting if true, because it will provide the first direct Star Alliance flights from Hong Kong to London. At present, all Star Alliance HKG-LON flights are via Singapore, Bangkok, Seoul or North America.



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 11):
As the only Star Alliance carrier on the route (if this is true) they will have a certain base of FFs who will be over joyed to use them.

Hong Kong - London must be one of the most major city pairs lacking a direct Star Alliance link at the moment. (Maybe someone else can suggest a more major gap in Star's network, but I can't think of one).

I think the Star factor will work extremely well for NZ if this new route happens.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 6):
LGW is definately not a dump. Most of LHR's terminals are disgraceful however.

Couldn't agree more. I'll take Gatwick any day! I can typically be in my hire car and on the M23 before I'd even get on the Hertz bus at Heathrow.

Steve


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

And this gives NZ somewhat of a RTW route - even if it does use co-terminals.

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6288 times:
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So now NZ will have true *round-the world* coverage. I hope the route is a success for NZ. I am flying to Ireland next year in April/May so hopefully the route will be open by then so I can take it!  crossfingers 

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

As far as I remember it was always mentioned from our NZ insiders here that NZ already has the slots for another LHR flight and that they jsut have to get back these slots.

Why now Gatwick?

There is no feed from anywhere in the UK with BMI to GTW. I would love to choose NZ to HKG from Germany with any feeder flight by LH/BMI.

But at least they don't route it via the USA, which is a pain to transfer.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 17):
So now NZ will have true *round-the world* coverage. I hope the route is a success for NZ. I am flying to Ireland next year in April/May so hopefully the route will be open by then so I can take it!

Easy connection at LGW from AirNZ to Ryanair, and lots of other low fare carriers.

I think LGW is in better shape than LHR.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12468 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

Are we talking about 777s or 744s for this route; I'm presuming the former?

I think it's very good for LGW, which has very few eastbound long haul routes.

Hopefully, this will be the first in a list of airlines opening new long haul routes ex-LGW.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6205 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
Are we talking about 777s or 744s for this route

B744s


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

AirNZ return to LGW! I remember flying LGW-LAX-LGW in about 1990 with them...

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 5):
That's no good. LGW is a dump. Oh well, at least it's another way of getting to London for staff so i can't really complain.

Errr, LGW South is a dump! The North terminal is rather swish!



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6144 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
B744s

Would their be enough demand for this type of aircraft daily when NZ already fly AKL-LHR daily. Would they be counting on mainly AKL-HKG passengers and HKG-LGW seperately? Which airport out of LGW and LHR is closer to London City Centre?


User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

My only trip with Air NZ was from Gatwick back in 1992 on ZK-NBT. The Air NZ lounge and service at that time was very nice. I hope that Air NZ will be able to use the North Terminal again.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 15):
Couldn't agree more. I'll take Gatwick any day! I can typically be in my hire car and on the M23 before I'd even get on the Hertz bus at Heathrow

My experience too. However Heathrow still has the advantage offering many more connecting flight - especially when looking at Air NZ's Star Alliance partners. Not many of them have a strong presence at LGW.

[Edited 2005-12-07 09:19:56]

25 777ER : Well since NZ will be the only Star carrier on the route and with all the other star members booking their flyers on NZ, then I would say the flight
26 BCAL : AFAIK NZ still has the rights for a daily flight between LHR and JFK in both directions, something they have not used for a few years. I assume that
27 Kiwiandrew : NZ have never flown JFK-LHR ... .are you sure you are not mixing them up with QF ? I am sure they used to have a SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR flight ( or
28 BCAL : Agreed, but they have the rights under Bermuda II
29 V2fix : I flew back into Gatwick yesterday. North Terminal is far from a dump ! Its spacious, fast to get through and no where near as crowded as LHR! From Pl
30 Gemuser : I very, very strongly doubt that! Seeing as BII is a treaty between the UK & US, NZ is not a party to it. If NZ have these right it is because it is
31 Kiwiandrew : does Bermuda II cover fifth freedom flights by non-US/UK airlines ?
32 Post contains links BCAL : Here is an extract from the Eighteenth Report by UK Parliament on the Air Service Agreement between the United Kingdom and the United States I think
33 Kiwiandrew : thanks for that BCAL , do you know whether EI ever utilised their 5th freedom rights ? It just seems a bit odd for them to have them when they are in
34 BCAL : Afraid not. You will need to ask an a.net member who was employed in UK Civil Aviation during the 1970s. You could email EI - they sometimes do reply
35 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : thanks Trevor , I might try that .
36 ZKSUJ : Hmmm. This is interesting. Would be great news for NZ if it went ahead.
37 AirEuropeUK733 : Totally agree BCAL. I had to go to FRA a couple of weeks back and could only go from LHR not LGW. It took longer to drives to LHR than it did to fly
38 Gemuser : I read your referance. There was some good stuff in there but nowhere in it did I find the statement that NZ operated between the UK & US under BII.
39 Billy : In answer to the EI fifth freedom question, I have some recollections. Not quite fifth freedom, but Ei did briefly operate a MAN-SNN-JFK operation usi
40 BestWestern : LGW N is far better than 'bombay' (the coloquial name for LHR3).. EI operated BOS SNN MAN and BFS SNN NYC
41 Gemuser : ??? These would be 6th freeom, because they go via the "home" country. Same as SQ's SYD-SIN-LHR flights. BOS-MAN-SNN & NYC-BFS-SNN would be 5th freed
42 AireuropeF100 : Remember that ANZ first started with a twice weekly flight out of Gatwick back in 1982 - that later went thrice weekly before moving to LHR in early 1
43 Billy : My ANZ network planning sources suggest that ANZ has secured their additional LHR slots. This is about three weeks old so this could have been superce
44 ANstar : Perhaps LGW will be sold in as the London flight with no connections ie end to end and LHR will be used if they want to tranfer. I'm sure the bulk of
45 Richardw : Only bmibaby MME-LGW and Germanwings HAM-LGW
46 7LBAC111 : Wasnt there talk of NZ trying AKL-HKG-MAN?? With CX confirming their service to HKG via SVO, how likely is it we'll see NZ operate via LAX to MAN inst
47 Billy : 7LBAC111, The ANZ service via MAN was never really a starter. It was evaluated against London and lost the race. The next evaluation was LGW vs LHR. L
48 LGWspeedbird : If they were to come to Gatwick, who would handle them? Am I right in thinking that when they last operated out of LGW they were handled by BA?? LGWsp
49 Runway23 : Scandinavian, Austrian (Lauda),Croatia Airlines, Adria, US Airways, TAP and Centralwings (LOT) also fly to LGW.[Edited 2005-12-07 18:16:31]
50 JoFMO : Wouldn't it be much cheaper to have only one station in London? I guess by serving LHR and GTW they need some stuff duplication.
51 Billy : Finally, someone has heard what I was saying. Yes, it is millions (literally) cheaper to operate only one station. Hence the fact that ANZ will not be
52 Richard28 : Do NZ currently have enough metal to fly a 2nd service - if not when will sufficent metal be delivered (I guess they'd need at least 3 planes to opera
53 ZK-NBT : Yup. 744's are being pulled off NRT, SFO and CHC-LAX and replaced with 772ER's, freeing up the 3 744's required to operate this service if its daily,
54 NZ1 : Doing double daily to the UK will take 6 aircraft. That leaves 1 for the additonal AKL-LAX NZ5/6 flight, plus the odd flight to Aussie, and 1 maintena
55 Firipu : That's great news! However, the timings of AKL-HKG-LGW/LHR might be a bit difficult in terms connections. Currently, AKL-HKG arrives at about 5pm, but
56 Willyj : Is there a possibility of Air NZ operating to any other cities in Europe - outside of the UK? Being Star Alliance, I would think FRA and perhaps ZRH w
57 ZK-NBT : Welcome to A.NET. Thats just the way it is, we don't live in a world where everything is perfect or even close, but there are ways around this. There
58 ZKSUJ : If I am not mistaken, NZ code share with SQ on some European routes which include the likes of ZRH.
59 BNE : The possibilities are endless. CURRENT FLIGHTS NZ085 DEP AKL 10:30AM ARR 5:00PM NZ086 DEP HKG 7:10PM ARR 11;15AM TURN THAT INTO; RETIME NZ085 DEP AKL
60 Billy : NZ 1, you misquote me. I said that ANZ would not use LGW whilst there is the chance of getting into LHR. Frankly I do know what I am talking about and
61 Richardw : I was commenting on airlines with close links to BD and LH, thanks for listing the other Star Alliance airlines that use LGW. Does AirNZ fly to FRA o
62 Kiwiandrew : NZ stopped flying to FRA with it's own metal a few years back , but they codeshare on LH HKG-FRA / SFO-FRA / LAX-FRA / HKG-MUC / SFO-MUC / LAX-MUC th
63 MotorHussy : Anyway, great news for NZ. They've had the rights out of HKG for a long time now, just been the Poms protecting their own patch that's slowed things u
64 Post contains images NZ1 : Whoa boy. Peace out, I wasn't flaming you at all. I was trying to point out that we DON't yet have a second daily slot at LHR, and that the airline i
65 Billy : Fine, explanation is accepted. I do know that ANZ is almost certain to secure slots during the day at LHR. I also am aware of the assessment of the co
66 N1120A : It is not as if the other US carriers have the money to pay for Heathrow slot prices. As much as NZ may have financial issues, they are nothing compa
67 Elagabal : Do Ryanair fly anywhere from LGW other than DUB? Maybe a couple of others in Ireland, but that's it. Are you thinking of easyJet? (FR's main base in
68 Knightsofmalta : You must be joking, LGW is definitely not a dump and it certainly beats LHR any day. The terminals are very modern and have good facilities, connecti
69 Planemanofnz : I think SNN, Derry, Kerry, Shannon, Cork and Dublin don;t know about any others.
70 TG992 : Firipu Its got a ETA at LGW of about 1330. The flight is being retimed. ZK-NBT you got very close to it. Planemanofnz It's not going to happen till Oc
71 Post contains images Planemanofnz : Bummer
72 ZK-NBT : So if thats the case then it will leave AKL late night. If via HKG it will mean HKG will be the only Asian flight not departing AKL in the morning fo
73 V2fix : If Air NZ go for an early morning landing at LGW,according to the slot allocation organisation the number of slots at LGW is pretty marinal (0 on cert
74 Kiwiandrew : the other great thing about retiming the flight is that a morning arrival in HKG ex AKL would permit a bigger range of onward connections to China th
75 Zkojh : This is very strange, I have just got in from flying back from New Zealand, and the crew I spoke to this morning (London Based Crew) have said it will
76 SunriseValley : It seems to me from all that has been written on this thread that everyone is guessing and that the final decision has not been made.
77 Runway23 : No, Ryanair's destinations ex-LGW are Dublin, Shannon, Cork and Knock.
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