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Finnair Orders A350 + 3 Interim A340  
User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19516 times:

See this press release.

I'm a bit disappointed about the A340, but I guess they can't get enough planes soon enough otherwise.

Edit: Pictures here.

[Edited 2005-12-07 12:23:20]

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19404 times:
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Nice order for Finnair and Airbus. A340s in the short term is interesting and slightly surprising! I would have expected an airline ordering A350s but needing shorter term capacity, going for the A330. Given AY's route network, I'm assuming the A343 has better fit range-wise than the A333.

Congrats to AY and Airbus.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19369 times:

Greats news !!!  bigthumbsup 
But not very surprising actually ... Finnair already operates around 30 A319/A320/A321, so this order makes sense.


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19327 times:

Well, Finnair does want to expand fast and I guess Airbus can promise faster delivery of A340's - I guess Boeing is booked out till 2008 for the T7.
Everyone was wondering how the route to DEL would be operated, I guess we'll see the 343 here. Shucks, I was so hoping for the M11.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 90
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19310 times:
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That's indeed a good order and I would have thought too that the A330 would have been ordered instead of the A343E. Good for Finnair and Airbus have landed a great customer in Finnair and with 2011 delivery for the A350 we can still enjoy the MD-11s for many years to come Big grin

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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19302 times:

I didn't realize AY was poised to make a major acquisition, interesting choice.

User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19267 times:

Very good news indeed! Though I didn´t expect a Finnair order this early and without a long publically fought battle between A and B.

KA.



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User currently offlineCV747 From Iceland, joined Jan 2000, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19182 times:

Quoting Killjoy (Thread starter):
I'm a bit disappointed about the A340

A friend of mine flew the MD11 for Swissair and is now flying the SWISS A343.
He says that the climb on the A340 is so poor, that if the earth was not round, it would never take off.... and that he misses the MD11 cockpit.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19180 times:

This one was kept quiet! Another 9 A350's

Must have been politics, a below cost offering, etc!  Smile

[Edited 2005-12-07 12:36:15]


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19076 times:
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While I know that airlines don't make decisions based on sentiment or loyalty it , historically , AY has not been much of a Boeing customer - they have some 757s but have never had any other Boeings that I can recall ( and please don't offend me by telling me that they have "Boeing" MD-11s or "Boeing" MD-80s) .

I'm just waiting for all the threads from McDonnell Douglas MD-11 lovers who have gone into mourning at the thought that the MD-11 only has another 7 years at AY  cry 



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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18973 times:

Hey this is great, it looks like I'll have a chance to ride in an A350 as well.

Regarding the A340s, perhaps ETOPS was a factor over the A330 as well? Flying from Helsinki to Bangkok places you over quite deserted areas for a long time - now they use the MD-11 for those routes. OTOH the A350 will probably be flying those routes later on, so perhaps the A340 simply was more economical.

The A350 also defeated the B787 here, which is interesting.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18970 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Must have been politics, a below cost offering, etc!

Of course !!! No sensible airline would buy such a crap if it wasn't for politics ...  Wink


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18962 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
historically , AY has not been much of a Boeing customer

Nor an Airbus customer prior to the A32x order



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18888 times:

The A350 always seemed a likely bet at Finnair but I didn't expect an order so soon. It seems the 777/787 combination isn't unbeatable after all.

User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18885 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
Finnair already operates around 30 A319/A320/A321, so this order makes sense

Please explain. Just because an airline has a large number of Airbus for shorthaul doesn't automatically mean that they will go for Airbus on longhaul. For example, look at BA with a larger number of Airbus on shorthaul....that does not mean that it automatically makes sense for BA to order Airbus for longhaul.

Congrats to both Finnair and Airbus.


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18784 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 14):
Just because an airline has a large number of Airbus for shorthaul doesn't automatically mean that they will go for Airbus on longhaul

No, of course. But it does make sense with cross crew qualification and mixed fleet flying.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18751 times:
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Quoting Joni (Reply 10):
Regarding the A340s, perhaps ETOPS was a factor over the A330 as well?

can't imagine ETOPS is an issue for any of AY's current ( or likely future ) routes - I had a play on Great Circle Mapper ( yes , I know it doesn't necessarily reflect actual flight paths ) and there are many enroute options for a diversion , some a bit basic perhaps , but can't really see any gaps in coverage even if you drop back to old fashioned ETOPS 120



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18745 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 12):
Nor an Airbus customer prior to the A32x order

The links with Toulouse were always warm. Finnair loved the Caravelle and flew them longer then any other original flagcarrying operator except Syrianair. The Caravelle can be seen as the A-320 avant la lettre, almost all the european airlines had them and the UK was important for the design or manufacturing of the engines, nose and cockpit.

Kar-Air, their charter airline, bought two A-300s in 1986 which operated for Finnair mainline as well, sort of the same role as the 757s have now.
They also were an early and important operator of the ATR.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18727 times:

Wow. What a nice order. Glad to see that the good old A340-300E is still managing to atract some interest.

Congratulations to Airbus and Finnar.


http://www01.finnair.com/faye/photobank/A340-300_FINNAIR_CFM-R.jpg

http://www01.finnair.com/faye/photobank/A350-900_Finnair_V02.jpg

So now we have the following orders for the A350.

Finnar 9
Qatar Airways 60
Tap Portugal 12
Tam 8
Air Europa 10
Eurofly 3
Kingfisher 5
US Airways 20
Gecas 10
CIT 5
ILFC 12
ALAFCO 12

TOTAL: 166 Order/Commitments

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18592 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 14):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
Finnair already operates around 30 A319/A320/A321, so this order makes sense

Please explain. Just because an airline has a large number of Airbus for shorthaul doesn't automatically mean that they will go for Airbus on longhaul. For example, look at BA with a larger number of Airbus on shorthaul....that does not mean that it automatically makes sense for BA to order Airbus for longhaul

You are right. AF & LH also.
But you can't compare Finnair and BA, or Finnair and AF.
Because of its size and its network it does make sense for an airline like Finnair to operate a fleet with a maximum of commonality to save money.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18501 times:
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Quoting Joni (Reply 10):
Regarding the A340s, perhaps ETOPS was a factor over the A330 as well?

Presumably ETOPS is not an issue as they selected A350s. Unless they didn't realise the A350 is a twin.  wink 

I suspect it's entirely down to range - the A333 has a range with max pax of 10,500km while the A343's range is 13,350km (which is much closer to the A359's of 13,890km).



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User currently offlineScandinavian From Sweden, joined Sep 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18484 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
Everyone was wondering how the route to DEL would be operated, I guess we'll see the 343 here. Shucks, I was so hoping for the M11.

You will have some time to try the MD11.  Smile Finnair will receive their A340 between 2007-08 and the route to Delhi will operated from November next year.

Great news for Finnair, I didn't except this order this year. It must be the last great thing from Finnair CEO Keijo Suila before he retires in January.

Now the big question, when will we hear similar great news from SAS?



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18432 times:
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Quoting Scandinavian (Reply 21):
Now the big question, when will we hear similar great news from SAS?

when they make enough money to pay for new a/c  Wink

There is another thread somewhere (sorry , too lazy to search and post a link ) suggesting that SK may drop intercontinental services within 10 years anyway .



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User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18427 times:
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I guess the A343E won over the A332 on capacity issues. AY will have 303 seats in the A343E - now that would be a tight fit for the A332 and reduce the range of the A332.

Also, if the AY A320 Family have CFM56-engines then the A343E makes sense too as it uses the CFM56-engines as well...



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18424 times:

What a beautiful order. Whoever said that there will be no new customers for the A340-300 is been proven dead wrong.

Commitments/orders for Airbus widebodys have passed the 230 with this order, so far this year.

Looking forward to see Santa Claus painted on these beautiful jets.



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25 A342 : Congrats to both parties. As it has been said before, this is no surprise as the A359 is the perfect replacement for MD-11s. It´s bigger than the 789
26 FlySSC : Considering the position of HEL, does Finnair really need a 4 engines aircraft (A343) with a possible 13.350km range instead of a twin A333 with 10.5
27 Post contains images Scbriml : Hmm, interesting that one of the A350 images has filename including the phrase "GE". Would AY favour GE over RR for their planes?
28 Killjoy : More range also means more cargo for shorter routes.
29 N328KF : Don't count your chickens before they hatch. It's an interim order. Finnair made it quite clear that they will dump the A340 as soon as they can. And
30 Kiwiandrew : they had GE engines on the DC-10-30 and then the MD-11 ( and with the 757 they went with PW rather than rolls ) and of course the A319/320/321/340 in
31 PM : It's a long time since Finnair flew RR on anything whereas they had GE on the A300s, DC10s and MD11s. They also chose CFM for their Airbus narrowbodi
32 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : while I can't imagine the A340 having a long term future with AY I am not sure where you feel that they made it quite clear that they will dump the A
33 DistantHorizon : It´s really refreshing to see an somehow unexpected order, specially these days when everyone (me included) seems obcessed with potencial large order
35 Aerosol : I find it quite amusing that instead of a major 777 order of Qantas, which some of the experts here agressively predicted for sure- the dead 340 by fi
36 Scallar : Actually... I know that SAS most certainly will order the A350, but I was kinda hoping for them to go for the 787. Ah well, time will tell... Anyway,
37 757MDE : Congrats to Finnair I just hope they keep the MD-11 as long as possible! btw isn't the "F" in the tail written backwards?... why is it like that?
38 Kiwiandrew : this comes up regularly - when viewed from the left hand side of the a/c it is the right way around , when viewed from the right hand it is the wrong
39 Post contains images Matt27 : Great news for Finnair and Airbus. It's nice to see that Finnair goes for the A350, hopefully more airlines will follow. One can only hope.
40 NA : Very nice surprise. Especially for the A340, bashing of which many a.netters made a sport of recently.
41 Post contains images Scbriml : Didn't take long did it? Please enlighten us as to where Finnair said they would dump the A340s as soon as they can. Yes it is only three A340s, but
42 Post contains images Manni : Amusing how you always find a way to piss on an Airbus order. You must have had a terrible year with all these Airbus orders.
43 Post contains images Scorpio : Wow. That one certainly was a bit unexpected! No endless discussions in dozens of threads beforehand, just BAM!, an order! Nice to see that there are
44 Keesje : N328KF: Finnair made it quite clear that they will dump the A340 as soon as they can. And it's only three frames. Finnair: The A340-300E aircraft orde
45 MidnightMike : I do not think that he was pissing on the Airbus order, his comment was clearly directed towards the A340, which he was responding to some of the A34
46 Killjoy : I was the one who concluded that it was an interim order, not Finnair. But seriously, what else could it be - why would anyone order 3 A340-300 and 9
47 Anxebla : You're right but so far I know it seems AY will buy those A340-300E new from Tolouse, and with the fact I don't think there is many 343Es in the seco
48 BestWestern : RATI are stating "along with at least three 303-seat Airbus A340-300Es. "Finnair says that it is uncertain how long it will retain the A340s.....it wi
49 Hannes : How are these planes going to fit to the already congested non-schengen terminal in Helsinki? Do we need to expect some news from the Finnish CAA?
50 N328KF : Indeed. They got the A350s, OK. But anyone with two brain cells can tell that the A340 is only temporary. I was going to quote the WSJ article on the
51 Manni : And those with more than 2 brain cells will have clicked on the link that the thread starter provided an read "The A340-300E aircraft ordered by Finn
52 Glareskin : If it was really that stupid they could have ordered some interim 777's... Most A340 operators make profits and this is just a fantastic aircraft. It
53 DistantHorizon : EVERY plane is temporary, in the sense they are not ETERNAL... Really, sometimes some posts do not deserve any other kind of comments...
54 PRAirbus : I like MD11s but I love Airbuses too! I rather fly a roomier Airbus than on a narrow Boeing. I hate the popular 2-5-2 (777) configuration, being stuck
55 Post contains images Columba : Or they were bribed to buy them.......... Anyway stop that stupid A vs B nonsense, it was a good year for both of them. The 777 had an incredible yea
56 N328KF : Well, duh. That's not what I meant and you know it.
57 Keesje : Anyway who draws a great circle between HEL and e.g. NRT or SEA can see they fly almost over the northpole. Siberia is not a nice place to land in cas
58 Post contains images DistantHorizon : I know that's not what you meant. But I hope YOU know what I meant... Regards DH
59 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : doesn't seem any worse to me than what dozens of twinjets already fly over every day ?
60 Scbriml : Agreed. And if it was an issue, why did they decide on A350s? I believe the ony reason for selecting the A340 over the A330 is additional range.
61 WINGS : No. The order that Mr Leahy was refering to was for Tap Portugal. Regards, Wings
62 Post contains images DIA : Not an Airbus basher, BUT.... Just to stir up the silence here... So Finnair purchases the A343...(This coming from an airline who is still aquiring M
63 EI321 : I wonder how this will affect AYs plans to aquire more MD11s. Anyone know the delivery times for these 343s? Its a pity cause the AY MD11s are the bes
64 Keesje : Is HEL-SEA shorter with a 4 engined aircraft?
65 BlueSky1976 : Congratulations to Airbus and Finnair. A340 looks stunning in AY livery... Of course it's beatable. AY was not looking for a 210 seater (787-8), but a
66 Kiwiandrew : sorry , not quite sure what you mean ? If you are asking whether a twin would have a longer flight path due to ETOPS restrictions the answer would be
67 Scandinavian : As stated in the press release: "the A340 aircraft will be acquired earlier, in 2007–08."
68 Post contains images Bcbhokie : My personal guess is that the A340 was attractive for this order precisely because it has been rather unloved as of late - and thus has plenty of open
69 Stitch : Doesn't seem to make much sense to buy three new frames and then shed them when the A359s come online. Not sure what the A343 second-hand market is a
70 PM : Hardly. The A340 and the A330 share the same production line and there is a substantial A330 backlog. It's not as if Airbus have an idle line gatheri
71 Scorpio : Let's not forget that the Airbus line is pretty much just as 'jam-packed' as the 777 line. Not with A340s, but mainly with A330s.
72 Eha : Not really, as the A343 share the FAL with A33X and all other A340 models. And there are today still more than 300 to build all together. E.
73 Post contains images Andaman : AY says 343 will join it's fleet in 2007-08 and 350 in 2011-13. MD-11 will say good buy to AY by the spring 2012, but they say they still need a 8th
74 A319XFW : Just my thinking before I read your thread!
75 KL808 : Great news indeed. Wow a very unexpected order this was. I know there was a lot of talk about AY needing new capacity in a couple of years, but i didn
76 StuckInCA : Nice order for Airbus and Finnair! I've always been intrigued by Finnair, but no convenient chance to fly them from the west coast of the US. I notice
77 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : My thougths exactly. I'll never forget my Scandinavian A340-300 experience. One of the best flights I ever experienced. 777 still wins in looks depar
78 Post contains links and images Airbus A380 : Anyone else notice this? Seemed that the A359 has got a 'new' look. Well, at least to me that is. With new cockpit windows and the flex of the wings,
79 Post contains images Columba : Nah, nothing can bet the look of a quad (well, with the exception of the A380, where I have not made my mind yet if I like its looks good or not, it
80 Andaman : Finnair new CEO on the long-haul fleet modernisation: "The aircraft acquisitions are flexible, so we can adapt to the development of long-haul traffic
81 C680 : Safety. Accidents are almost always a chain of events that ultimately lead to a disaster. Extra climb power takes away one of the weak links in any a
82 EI321 : The Side cockpit window on the A350 image above seems to be a new shape than before, or have I missed ths in the past?
83 Kaitak : The A340 surprises me (although very pleasantly) because we had a thread on this a while back and one of the Finnish board members said that the A340
84 Post contains images Solnabo : Congrats to Finnair and Airbus. Hopefully SK will order some state-of-the-art 350´s in near future Micke//SE
85 Post contains images Persotvik : Hi The A350 order was expected. The A340-300 order is simply beacause there are not enough MD11's available for their growth. They need more longhaul
86 Post contains images Columba : Well, you are a little "Tim Taylor": More power !!! Well, in Germany the Mercedes Benz 300D, Diesel powered cars were at one time in the 70s and earl
87 MAH4546 : Very cool news. Hope to see them at MIA.
88 Revelation : I see your point, but in my opinion, the 777 is a 767 on cookie dough and bon-bons!
89 Post contains images PM : Agreed. So long as we're talking about the A345/346 and not the rather twee A342/343. (Sorry - the CFMs just don't work aesthetically.) As far as I k
90 Post contains images Glom : This insistance that the looks of the A340 are its saving grace over the 777 and stating that as some objective fact is ridiculous. Aesthetics are sub
91 Backfire : Doesn't mean anything, I'm afraid. Finnair told me that this was simply the name on the file given to them by Airbus - it just happens to be the rend
92 AMSSFO : Congrats to AY and Airbus! A350 is not really surprising; that one has been discussed as possible replacement for the M11 several times. The A343 on t
93 Post contains images Astuteman : The nose of the A350 has indeed been redesigned to improve the forward crew accommodation and avionics space, at the request of ILFC (and probably EK
94 Willyj : So the wider Boeing is more narrow than Airbus? I agree that I don't like the 2-5-2 configuration either, but you aren't making any sense. BTW, the M
95 BoomBoom : Keesje, "4 engines 4 long haul" is dead. Accept it. Get over it, and move on. So you are inviting Airbus bashers? Why? Is so you can then whine about
96 Post contains images A319XFW : Unless you're flying a 747-8 or A380
97 BoomBoom : That's because you need four engines to lift those behemoths--not because your afraid of spending a night in Siberia.
98 RichardPrice : And because there are still profitable routes out there that require a none ETOPS restrained aircraft to operate.
99 Zeke : Ahhh Boomboom, when are you ever going to participate constructively in a thread, with some educated well informed articulated points that are not ch
100 Killjoy : Width is actually probably more important, since extra length just ends up staying outside... I don't know what you're referring to, but I once menti
101 Glom : It's bit rich for you to chastise BoomBoom about not participating constructively when you go on to address his point by pointing to substance-less,
102 BlueSky1976 : You're forgetting one thing here: A340, being a quad, does not need as much extra power as 777 or A330 or A350, as it is a quad. In case of engine fa
103 WhiteHatter : not next to an MD-11 it isn't....
104 BoomBoom : But HEL-SEA and HEL-NRT are not among them. BTW, can you list a dozen routes that are?
105 Scallar : Why bash at all? It's just destroying thread after thread. I'm happy for Finnair and Airbus, but if they would have chosen Boeing instead, I'd be hap
106 RichardPrice : Why do i have to? Finnair are the ones buying the 'useless' 4 engine aircraft for long haul that apparently has been superceeded by supertwins. After
107 Post contains links and images BoomBoom : Oh Zeke, have you been spending too much time in the bar again? These hangovers make you very grumpy, not to mention forgetfull. And may I add, a lit
108 Zeke : Engines don’t give lift, they provide thrust. Gross certified second segment flight path for a twin is 2.4%, a quad 3%. A quad is certified for hig
109 Zeke : Took you over 30 minutes to come up with that...good to see you added the copyright notice to that picture you lifted from the airbus site in keeping
110 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : Right. Wrong word on my part But you get the idea.
111 BoomBoom : BTW, can you list a dozen routes that are? Ahhh... can you name a half dozen?
112 N328KF : Sorry, some people have jobs and can't respond right away.
113 Morvious : That is one of the best paint jobs on the A340-300. The blue fits the engine nice! Congrats to Airbus and Finair.
114 A342 : Could you explain what this means ? Here we go: EZE-AKL, SCL-AKL, JNB-GRU, JNB-SYD, JNB-PER, PPT-JFK, MRU-SYD. All of them are flown by quads. There
115 Finnair MD-11 : First of all congratulations to Finnair and Airbus for this order! It is nice to see that there are people who know better these stuff than the profes
116 Sabenapilot : It means that in case of an engine failure at V1 at MTOW, a quad must demonstrate to be able to climb 3ft for each 100ft of distance traveled from th
117 Joni : Also, I understood they ordered the newer "E" variant of the A343 which isn't available on the second-hand market.
118 Finnair MD-11 : The climb requirement for multi-engined aircraft with 2 engines and in engine failure situation on the second segment of the take-off (which starts w
119 Post contains images Finnair MD-11 : Sabenapilot, you were faster.. But if you really want to split the hair, isn't the critical engine assumed to fail at Vef. Well Vef is only minimum on
120 757MDE : Ahh I see! Thanks! I think Paraguay's flag is also assymetrical
121 Atnight : I can't believe people like these are allowed on a forum that supports aviation.... I'm not a particular manufacturer's fan, but how can you say the A
122 Post contains images Joni : Where on Earth did you get that impression?
123 MidnightMike : And then people wonder why there are Airbus vs Boeing fights, amazing, no negative comments, and here comes somebody trying to start the fighting....
124 BoomBoom : Well, Joni's flame bait thread on 787 subsidies was deleted, so he has to keep this going here.
125 Jaysit : The A340 takes off every day fully laden with fuel, passengers and cargo on long haul flights from some pretty hot, dry, and high altitude airports a
126 N328KF : You completely misunderstood me. My derisive comment was in reference to recognizing the tenure of the A340 within the Finnair fleet...I did not say
127 RedChili : You've got airports all over the place on that flight. Such a flight goes south of the Himalayas. The flight probably overflies Russia, Caspian Sea,
128 Post contains images Columba : So the 777 looks like a fat chick for you I think 767 on steroids fits better because of the huge power of the 777 These were the ones I refering to,
129 Killjoy : I must agree. The signal to noise ratio on this site is amazingly bad, especially considering newcomers have to pay for it. I myself said I was disap
130 Sabenapilot : Simply looking at a map will immediately tell you when a route is certainly ETOPS limited, but it can not tell you whether or not a route is not ETOP
131 Scbriml : But it isn't actually that illogical for AY. AY's first choice would have been additional MD-11s till the A350s are available. However, they just can
132 RedChili : Yes, I acknowledge this. But at the same time, if you look at the route between HEL-BKK, there are plenty of twins flying all over that area every da
133 CV990 : Hi! Just want to send my congrats to Finnair for their great order of the A350!!! And the similarity of their fleet with TAP amazinly close!!!! Regard
134 Killjoy : Yes, that was the point. Finnair ordered it because it was the best interim solution, not because it strictly wanted it.
135 Yago : Am I the only one to notice the different blue used in the drawings? Is Finnair's livery changing?
136 MidnightMike : Scbriml I think you covered just about all of the bases, nicely said, brief & to the point. As far as those MD11's, you have a bunch of cargo airline
137 MD90fan : I agree So who's that Air Mauritius, Air Tahiti Nui, and Finnair?
138 Amy : Quite! David Bronczek won't be sleeping tonight! This is great news for Airbus and the A350 and especially in my eyes, the A340. Glad to see new 340s
139 Post contains links and images MidnightMike : Who knows, could be anybody from UPS, Lufthansa, World, Gemini, or even Transmile.
140 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : Yes, but actually the "F" also represents a tail of an aircraft, similar to a MD-80 tail. So it cannot fly backwards! Hopefully we will get some news
141 Post contains links Revelation : This A340 incident was due to pilot error too, and did not result in a hull loss, but it still amazes me that it did not. Very appropriate username,
142 Zeke : The unoffical word I got was this is similar event to the SQ 744 at AKL. Finger trouble with the performance calculations. The derate used was too hi
143 Killjoy : The colors are probably wrong due to a bad cmyk->rgb conversion or something. The livery isn't changing. Are you suggesting I'm not right, then? Besi
144 Post contains links and images Eilennaei : Minor note: the A340 will not be the fist Airbus widebody in Finnair fleet. Two A300B4-203s with a two-pilot cockpit were in charter use 1984-2004 (l
145 Leskova : Great news for my favorite longhauler - so there still is some life left in the A340 - though, admittedly, nowhere near as much as I'd like. But with
146 Keesje : BoomBoom, seems moving from 3 to 2 engined aircraft isn't totally irrelevant if you are an Arctic specialist. Anyone have an actual air routes map of
147 Post contains images EI321 : Guys I was being sarcastic by the way
148 Flying Belgian : It sounds quite logical to me as well. Though I'm more skeptic about the real cockpit commonality between the A350 and A32F series. As between the A38
149 EI321 : Add SU to that list, replacements for the 10s.
150 Post contains links and images Revelation : It does kind of look like the chunkier older sister of the 767, if you ask me. Normally I don't think too much about the aesthetics of airplanes, but
151 Post contains images Blackadder : I think i can handle this. At least after these acquisitions Finnair has a long-haul type (A340) that won't be converted to a freighter immediately af
152 Columba : I do that is why I became an aviation enthusiast. If I would not think about the aesthetics of an airplane I would not have any interest at all in th
153 Killjoy : Oh, right, sorry. Can't argue with that. Notice that I also defended some of the people he complained about, though.
154 Post contains images Elvis777 : Hello all, I've noticed a few comments ( some with great indignation) concerning the attacks (or lack there of) on the EADS consortium. here is one Qu
155 LordHowe : Does anybody know when the seventh MD11 (must be OH-LGG) has arrived in HEL - everybody is stating that AY has seven MD11s - where did it come from an
156 Post contains links and images Finnair MD-11 : LordHowe, OH-LGG came on 12th November and is now being refurbished at Finnair maintenance. OH-LGG is ex Varig PP-VQI. View Large View MediumPhoto &co
157 LordHowe : Thanks Finnair MD-11, I was away some time and somehow missed the information. Regards, LordHowe
158 Post contains links and images Airways1 : Actually, Finnair had a 737-200 for cargo at one point: View Large View MediumPhoto © Barbro - FAP
159 Prebennorholm : Depends on how you define the word "had". That 737-200 was actually an Air Atlanta Icelandic plane, all white with some temporary Finnair stickers on
160 Post contains images Killjoy : Some new info: -Apparently Finnair is now trying to get its first A340-300E as soon as next summer, and is thus not looking for an 8th MD-11 anymore.
161 Levg79 : Would A350 have as much cargo haul capacity as the MD-11? Leo.
162 Killjoy : The A350 appears to be able to take 17 tons, but I can't remember what the MD-11 is capable of.
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