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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3036 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 14121 times:

Just was on the phone with a FA for AA and apparently there were shots fired inside one of the jetbridges at the D terminal at MIA. Does anybody have any information?

[Edited 2005-12-07 20:26:17]

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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

Local NBC affiliate reports shots fired inside a grounded plane and one person injured inside the plane...

should be interesting to see how this develops...

Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 14066 times:

Fox News now reporting and showing photos of AA Plane. Miami-Dade police responding...

It's Time To Fly!
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 821 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 14057 times:

Live on CNN right now. People in handcuffs...rear door open with stairs leading down to police car. AA 767?

You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 821 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

Federal Air Marshall fired the weapon...a first? Condition of person shot unknown

You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 821 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13998 times:


From AA's website:


Detailed Flight Information
Carrier City Date Time Terminal Gate Baggage
Claim Flight Status
Scheduled Estimated Actual

MDE Medellin, 12/07/2005 9:10 AM 9:06 AM 12
MIA Miami, 12/07/2005 12:25 PM 12:16 PM D42 CE

Detailed Flight Information
Carrier City Date Time Terminal Gate Baggage
Claim Flight Status
Scheduled Estimated Actual

Create Flight Status Notification
MIA Miami, 12/07/2005 2:18 PM 3:00 PM D42
MCO Orlando, 12/07/2005 3:16 PM 3:56 PM 15 3

[Edited 2005-12-07 20:36:54]

You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8590 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13941 times:
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Lots of activity on the apron, personnel in body armour with automatic rifles round the aircraft.

After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 821 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13880 times:

CNN now going to 5 second delay on broadcasting. Law enforcement is surrounding the aircraft.

You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13880 times:

CNN reports Federal Air Marshall was onboard the AA 752 flight that came in to MIA from MDE and the shots fired came from the Fed Air Marshall..

sounds interesting!

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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

MSNBC is reporting that there were two FAM's onboard the flight. This will be interesting to see what happens.


Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 821 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

Passenger was doing something "threatening." Was wounded but not killed by Federal Air Marshall. Per CNN.

You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1022 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13796 times:

CNN reports a passenger did something "threatning" so the air marshall discharged their weapon. This came out of the Justice dept. in D.C.

Is MIA shut down?

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13704 times:

MSNBC: Two FAM's fired shots at someone threatening to detonate an explosive.

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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1022 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

MSNBC is reporting that a passenger claimed they had a bomb.

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13623 times:


not much more info but an article...


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13599 times:

Does just about every flight have FAMs these days?

User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 666 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13588 times:

A Miami station is reporting the guy shot died.


Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13549 times:

Concourse D in MIA completely shut-down...also DFW ops forecast to op at 40% due to wx. later today...AA ops are SCREWED nation-wide. Advise alternate carrier if traveling today whenever and wherever possible...

It's Time To Fly!
User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13527 times:

Local CBS WFOR Ch 4 station reporting 1 person is dead. Also reporting, incident occured "on the jet bridge"

User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13517 times:

MSNBC is now reporting that the FBI has closed the concourse and MIA's airspace has now been closed. That'll make for some diversions.


Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13491 times:

MSNBC The suspect, a passenger, claimed he had a bomb and started to get off the plane, and air marshals went after him, sources told NBC News.

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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13464 times:

Live streaming of local station is available on line at wfor.com

User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13401 times:

Think anything will divert as far north as MLB?

MLB: Where you are always number one for takeoff.....
User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13389 times:

According to CNN video it looks like they have a body.

Snakes on a Plane!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22161 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 13353 times:

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 19):
MSNBC is now reporting that the FBI has closed the concourse and MIA's airspace has now been closed. That'll make for some diversions.

closing the airspace sounds kind of overkill when one crazy guy threatens with a bomb and is then killed.

makes others think twice about making such threats, one would assume.

luckily it happened on the jetway, as I'm sure that flight to MCO had quite a few kids on it.

Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Gokmengs : I understand that this is serious, but they shut down the concourse already. Isn't shutting the airspace a bit too much?
26 Post contains links YOWza : Already started a thread: Shots Fired On Miami Bound Flight (by YOWza Dec 7 2005 in Civil Aviation)
27 TinkerBelle : Apparently, passengers were told to get off the plane and leave their stuff but this one guy didn't wanna leave his stuff. Just heard that on foxnews.
28 Espion007 : Keep posting in this one.
29 Gokmengs : Yeah but this thread started way before yours isn't it. we have like 10 threads going on this already don't people look at their screen before starti
30 Post contains links TinkerBelle : Not much on CNN... http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html
31 Dutch122 : Just heard that he said he had a bomb, CNN. dutch122
32 MKEdude : AA is emphasizing that the shooting took place on the jetway and not the plane. Smells like damage control.
33 OPNLguy : Nothing about MIA airport/airspace being reported on FAA's OIS page, nor are there any messages to that effect out from ATCSCC... Methinks MSNBC has
34 Commavia : Smells like reality. The news reports so far (while sketchy) pretty much all have made it clear that this had nothing to do with bad security (not AA
35 Post contains links Usnseallt82 : Here is an excerpt from the Editor's blog on CNN.com.... Official: Federal air marshal fires gun, wounds passenger on plane in Miami MIAMI (CNN) -- A
36 YOWza : My mistake, I did a search for AA rather than MIA. YOWza
37 TWAMD-80 : Yeah I definitely agree with shutting down the concourse. Closing the airspace seems fairly extreme, but then again I guess you can't be too careful.
38 Gokmengs : Wasn't trying to be rude yowza, but came out that way. sorry Wouldn't wanna be booked on AA today.
39 Usnseallt82 : The MIA airspace is still up and running with no plans on shutting down. All flight are still operating normally with very little delay.
40 Aither : Sources say he had a bomb in his bag...
41 TWAMD-80 : Possibly - a few flight trackers are showing flights still bound for MIA. Maybe the news agencies got a little too jumpy. TW
42 Post contains links KarlB737 : LIVE FROM MIAMI: http://wfor.dayport.com/viewer/viewe...D=1&Contract_DefID=2&Category_ID=5 http://www.nbc6.net/videostream/4639451/detail.html[Edited
43 Meechy36 : Now they are saying the suspect was fatally wounded and the passengers are still on the flight. mikeBOS
44 MKEdude : I disagree. Whatever this incident turns out to be, it is a PR disaster for AA. Their goal now is to get out the story that this shooting did not tak
45 Calpilot : Sounds like a good shoot to me. "Scary Mary" should be on TV any second to tell us how bad everything is?
46 CALMSP : so whats the point of shooting to kill??? Over zealous agents? I think so.
47 Clickhappy : do they have enough guys with guns surrounding the plane? Yikes
48 Post contains images Cadet57 : ROTFLMAO, cnn's using google earth
49 TinkerBelle : Why not? It's not gonna affect an AA flight operating LHR-DFW just as an example. I wouldn't wanna be boarding out of that concourse in MIA in the ne
50 IRelayer : They always do that. Google probably gets a good payout for that too... Maybe the guy was just late for his connecting flight and he said he had a bo
51 Dw9115 : The point of shooting to kill is so you do not hurt anyone near the said person. If you ever go through military or police training you only fire aim
52 N1120A : This is what I am frightened did happen. Did they actually have evidence of a bomb, or did they just shoot when they guy said he had one? Also, did t
53 OPNLguy : Just a "guess" (since none of us here were in the agent's shoes at the time) but perhaps he felt the suspect was about to detonate something and want
54 SOUTHAMERICA : CNN En Español informs that once people were leaving the plane upon entering the terminal, one man said that he had a bomb in his hand luggage. The o
55 Jacobin777 : respectfully disagree....9/11 was as bad as it can get, then with the crash in Queens in 11/2001....it could have gotten a lot worse, yet AA rebounde
56 AAgent : Anyone notice that both rear doors of the aircraft are open but only one set of stairs is in place. Don't go out the wrong door, that first step is a
57 ATCT : Well as I can see so far, the marshalls had every right to take the suspect down. Anyone who says they have a gun/bomb, and then goes to reach for the
58 Post contains links Omoo : http://www.thenewmexicochannel.com/news/5485819/detail.html
59 RJpieces : Fox News just showed an Alitalia plane landing live.
60 IRelayer : From a person with the name "UAPremierGuy". Could you be any more dramatic? Geez. -IR
61 AAgent : My thoughts exactly. Bad idea, dude! AAgent
62 Commavia : Huh? Are you kidding? From the information available via the media now, this may end up being good P.R. for AA. The air marshal system worked -- some
63 Cadet57 : no comment But all in all, cnn's doing a good job on this story. Much better than the JB 320 emergency landing....
64 TheSorcerer : It's his own fault for saying he had a bomb, security services can't take that chance. CALMSP chances are you'd be one of the first people to critisiz
65 Tjwgrr : Latest report is the guy was threatening to blow up the plane and was reaching into his bag when the agents fired. Could the agents have taken the ch
66 TWAMD-80 : Well if this is the case, it will hopefully serve as a lesson to others not to act irate and stupid on an airplane. TW
67 BigGSFO : My partner is an AA FA who was set to work a flight leaving from the adjoining gate. D isn't completely evacuated because he is still on the sterile s
68 Post contains links BMIFlyer : The beeb don't have much.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4508432.stm Lee
69 MKEdude : Yes, absolutely. I did not mean to infer that this was somehow on par with 9/11. But AA has an interest in making sure that their image is not harmed
70 AGC525 : Anyone have a N number yet?
71 USADreamliner : Quoting Univision: "The airplane is an A-370(?) or a 737-300." Anyway...No comments. USADreamliner
72 CALMSP : the problem that they are going to run into is if this guy really had no bomb, most likely some sort of lawsuit is going to happen, what if they would
73 Miamiair : It is a B-757-223. for now[Edited 2005-12-07 21:24:10]
74 Post contains images NWA742 : In situations like this, these agents are trained to SHOOT TO KILL. As this story rolls out, so far it looks like the FAM did their jobs exactly like
75 Omoo : Looks like a 757 to me.
76 Dw9115 : Would have rather waited until the person set a bomb off to make sure it was a real bomb and killed a bunch of people.
77 Gokmengs : I think you are jumping the gun, we don't even know the situation, what if the guy screamed and exploded himself, what would you say; Air Marshall sh
78 Beefstew25 : Dude, after 9/11, there is no room for niceness.... I also think we should wait until the story comes out before passing judgement. Score: 1 Dead Dum
79 AirPacific747 : They just said that the person that was shot, might be dead but it isn't confirmed yet
80 Usnseallt82 : You obviously have absolutely no experience with law enforcement or with containing individuals. The air marshall's, from the news so far, did exactl
81 AirportGal : indeed....
82 Spacecadet : The guy was apparently already on the ground and reaching for his bag, which he'd already told them contained a bomb. What the heck were they suppose
83 NWA742 : Yes, the suspect has been shot and killed, it is confirmed -NWA742
84 Commavia : Could not agree more.
85 Post contains images BMIFlyer : WRONG!! You have absolutely no idea do you
86 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Yep, just confirmed.
87 Venezuela747 : CNN reports the person just died....he might have had mental problem
88 Thepilot730 : CNN is reporting that the man who was shot is now dead.
89 Post contains images ORFflyer :
90 Usnseallt82 : Yeah, it looks like they are reporting what another network is reporting by stating he might have had a mental problem. The only thing I can say is t
91 Richard28 : You must remember the killiing by London police after the 7/7 bombings. The press at the time said he was a terrorist, the police backed that up, and
92 AAgent : Have you lost your mind? The guy allegedly stated that he had a BOMB and was asked to stop twice. Instead of stopping, the guy reached into his bag!
93 Flairport : Confirmed: Man is Dead. Also the flight for today has been taken off aa.com
94 Commavia : With all due respect -- and believe me, I mean in no way to be personal, offensive, or rude -- I really think you need to reevaluate that statement.
95 Post contains images ANother :
96 Thepilot730 : I disagree with all of you that state that the Air Marshalls made a mistake in shooting this person. If a person on an aircraft gets up from his seat
97 TWAMD-80 : I agree completely And if this guy did have a bomb and detonated it, everyone would be crying foul that the marshals should have opened fire. TW
98 Post contains images Piercey : Wow, this is amazing. FAMs did their job today btw, a BA 744 just landed live on TV, airspace not closed or is now reopened.
99 Venezuela747 : Hey guys let's stop the discussion whether it was right or wrong to shoot the guy....maybe move that to another thread and just keep news updates on t
100 FLAIRPORT : JUST IN: he could possibly be bi-polor and had not had his medication. A whole new issue now.
101 Eggd : What I want to know is, according to the news report I read half way through the flight the suspect stated that he had a bomb on board. How come he wa
102 N1120A : Which takes away all rights to due process, which is illegal After 1789, there is no room for taking the law into your own hands And what if there wa
103 Post contains images OPNLguy : Yes, and in about 2 seconds, someone will be posting something to the effect that the Air Marshal should have given the guy a mental health screening
104 Post contains links RICARIZA : http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1382366
105 Usnseallt82 : BREAKING NEWS: If you say you have a bomb and begin reaching for it after being told to freeze, not one soul gives a shit if you're mentally retarded
106 TinkerBelle : Your luck sucks to not get killed in the streets of Colombia but get popped in the US even before you get out of the plane. He deserved what he got.
107 Venezuela747 : He was an American 44 years old Source CNN
108 Spacecadet : CNN insists on calling the jetway a "boarding bridge" - I actually emailed them about it... Annoys me when news orgs make up their own words for thing
109 Usnseallt82 : The news about him being dead is now being rebuked by the Dept. of Homeland Security as NOT CONFIRMED.
110 Dw9115 : Not in the US if a law enforcement Officer believes that the person may harm them or others they have the right to use deadly force. MEANING PUT A BU
111 AAgent : No time for a medical screening. A clear and present danger was met with appropriately deadly force. The FAM (or FAMs) did the job they were hired to
112 Commavia : Exactly. It's unfortunate if an ultimately non-dangerous, mentally unstable person is killed in a situation like this, but, as Usnseallt82 said, rega
113 Skyguy : What kind of gun did the Air Marshall use? What do they normally carry?
114 Usnseallt82 : Pretty sure they carry the standard Glock 45mm.
115 Dw9115 : 9mm (M9) same as the US military.
116 KYAir : I wish folks would stop blaming law enforcement for doing their job...to protect and serve. I'm thankful for guys doing this job with the guts to make
117 FutureUALpilot : I would assume a handgun, 9mm of sorts perhaps. A rifle would not be convenient and a shot gun would obviously not work as it would endanger too many
118 NWA742 : Dead wrong, N1120A. If a FAM or any other law agent in the US has reason to believe that a person presents a threat to anyone's life, including them,
119 747400F : Only in a guncrazed country The best comment in the thread so far. and we KNOW this how? preliminary pressreports? not credible source or more to the
120 AirFrnt : No, Actually. If you threaten a police officer (which is what a Marshall is), the police officer clearly identifies a command for you to comply with
121 N1120A : You know, it is not just firing a gun at and killing someone that is "doing something" If they believe? So if an officer believes that someone will h
122 Post contains images NWA742 : 100% correct. -NWA742
123 Jake056 : If the guy just got up and ran off the plane there might be some discussion about the FAM using deadly force. But apparently he said he had a BOMB. So
124 FutureUALpilot : Right. Or an aircraft filled with hundreds of innocent passengers. If given the choice Id rather a FAM kill the person endangering the flight then al
125 Usnseallt82 : Learn to spell first, then criticize. The last time I checked, your precious country was NOT gun-free.
126 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not only is Civ-Av full of teenage Arm-Chair CEOs, apparently there's at least ONE Arm-Chair cop in here too. I love how the police get Monday Mornin
127 Post contains images Komododx : Apparently he was travelling with his wife. Stefano
128 Ripcordd : N1120A if the guy had a bag and said he had a bomb in it and then reached in possible to denonate it under US they are justiied to use deadly force to
129 IRelayer : Umm sorry, that is not the way law enforcement works here. Due process is afforded to people that surrender themselves voluntarily. If you are told t
130 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Complete and utter to pull the race card on this. If your sorry tail was sitting on a flight with someone running up and down claiming to have a bomb
131 Post contains images BMIFlyer :     [Edited 2005-12-07 22:02:37]
132 Dw9115 : Are you trying to use race baiting to shut me up or some thing? The fact of the matter is that he said he had a bomb and that in it self makes him ha
133 757MDE : CNN en Español is reporting the passenger was a 44 years old US citizen without double citizenship (non Colombian) that was travelling with his wife
134 Spacecadet : Way to confuse the issue, dude. What about if he had dark skin, then said he had a bomb in his bag and started opening said bag, despite law enforcem
135 Post contains images TheGreatChecko : The real question is.... Would this have happened on an Airbus or would the AI not allowed it? GreatChecko
136 TWAMD-80 : Well then that would be problematic. Ok then what else were they supposed to do? TW
137 Cmd777300er : Just think of what would of happened if the suspect was not killed--The guy may have been wounded, then there would be a trial, then the court decisio
138 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I was about to let you know about this one, but you seem to have found him. Truly, the arm-chair-admiral/chief of police.
139 Jacobin777 : The press is reporting that the wife was yelling out loud that he had a mental disorder (bipolar)...shouldn't the wife been smart enough to know that
140 Post contains images BMIFlyer :
141 StuckinMAF : And DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!! This is great! The system worked EXACTLY as it's supposed to! A possible threat was identified and remediated!
142 Post contains images Komododx : Apparently the morons at CNN have never been in Colombia. They say that the possibility of a bomb being on board would be higher if the people boarded
143 Tjwgrr : Obviously you have no clue what law enforcement entails. Among other things, "To Protect and Serve" comes to mind. FAM's apprehending someone who has
144 MD88Captain : Those critical of the FAM's have no clue. The man was reaching for his announced weapon after two warnings. The FAM's stopped him with shots aimed at
145 Venezuela747 : Ok there is this guy in the Situation Room that is saying that we do not know yet wether the man boarded in MDE or MIA, since this flight was continui
146 11Bravo : This place is amazing. No one here has any idea exactly what has occurred. I suspect even the participants have no absolute accounting of all the fact
147 Indio66 : Hopefully this will send a message to would be terrorists: - We do have air marshals - They are armed - They shoot to kill
148 Commavia : What a sad, pathetic comment to make.
149 AA777 : I dont know why he would have been OFF of his medications.... Bipolar patients have to take them everyday, or it can really mess things up....if this
150 Post contains images Glideslope : I'm glad your on the other side of the Pond.
151 Post contains images Komododx : From what I am hearing on MSNBC this happened on the continuation of the flight to Orlando. They have one of the passengers on board talking from a ce
152 Bigginhill : A passenger claiming to have a bomb on board an American Airlines plane in Miami was shot dead by a US federal officer, government officials say. The
153 Bobster2 : I have some actual news here. Maybe I should start a new thread for news since this thread is turning into debate only. Anyway, the news is that bags
154 RoyalDutch : So what if he was Bi-Polar. A Bi-Polar individual is just as capable of making/trasporting/detonating a bomb as anybody else. Even if the air marshall
155 Post contains images DL021 : Wow...that CALMSP must have been right on the scene to be able to make a judgement such as that so quickly. I think, and you will agree, that there i
156 Post contains images Jacobin777 : if what the press has reported is true, then I don't think the Air Marshalls are liable, if anything, it should be the wife....... The Air Marshalls
157 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : If the guy came from Colombia it would be IMPOSSIBLE that he actually had a bomb in his carry-on, unless it's an inside job. Colombian airport securit
158 PSAjet17 : CNN just reported that the passengers had already vacated the aircraft after arrival from Columbia and were reboarding for the continuation to MCO. Th
159 Venezuela747 : Here is the latets update from FAM and CNN. The passenger boarded in MDE, got into an argument with his wife, he landed at MIA and went through the wh
160 ANother : I will reserve my judgement until I hear what really happened. The longer this thread the more, conflicting, information I hear. Why not give this th
161 APFPilot1985 : Anyone have the tail number? I have so many shots of AA 757's at MIA i want to see if any of them match?
162 Post contains images Komododx : Thank you!!! Much better than the pathetic TSA. Stefano
163 Sulman : The similarities in the initial account to the De Menezes shooting here in July are certainly interesting. I hope the chap was a) actually running and
164 Abrelosojos : I am slightly confused here. Can someone help? He said that he had a bomb on board the flight ... and nothing was done then? And then all this happens
165 Hillbilliescot : Some guy on MSNBC just said that TSA personnel can now be promoted to sky marshals. Are you kidding me! The same people that lock handcuffs on themsel
166 Post contains images ORFflyer : Dude, you are a little late. Did you read any of the 152 replies already on this thread before you posted??
167 USADreamliner : I know the plane is a 757. I just want to know what airplane is the Airbus A 370!? Quoting Univision reporter. USADreamliner
168 757MDE : Nothing happened inflight, all this happened upon landing and disembarking. (or so it seems)
169 Venezuela747 : Everyone is don't worry, the authorities have not given too much information. Apprently it seems that when he boarded back to go to MCO he said he ha
170 Manchesteruk : its live on fox news here says 44 year old man shot dead after saying he had a bomb in his bag, also has a history of mental illness, flying with 1 me
171 Litz : My understanding from articles I've read here and there is it's a standard issue firearm, but it has special ammunition that is supposed to be less s
172 Venezuela747 : Rigoberto Alpizar is presumed to be the guys name. But this name is probably as Spanish as you can get, either this is not the name or this person was
173 AsstChiefMark : It doesn't matter if he had mental problems. Many of the people with real or suspected weapons that are killed by law enforcement officers are mental
174 Venezuela747 : Anyone know who has jurisdiction over the jetway. Local police controls the terminal and then Federal takes care of the plane, but what about the plan
175 TWAMD-80 : I have heard two different firearms from reliable sources that I know. One is a .40 caliber and the other is .45 caliber. I am not completely certain
176 Dw9115 : I know the type of ammo the military uses for hand held weapons i.e. pistol (M9) rifle (M16, M4) is that the actual bullet is made to once entering a
177 AirTranTUS : This is because CNN assumes that because Colombia is not the USA, its security is more lenient. They may also take into account the fact that the USA
178 AsstChiefMark : Looks like the bomb squad is getting ready to "neutralize" a few pieces of luggage. A police officer in heavy armor is laying wire to the bags. Mark
179 Bobster2 : CNN just showed a video of a "suspicious" bag being exploded. It looks like some underwear and not much else to me.
180 Post contains images Bobster2 : Bag #2 blown up. Change the thread title to "Gunfire and Explosions at MIA".  edit: There goes bag #3. Boom!![Edited 2005-12-07 23:24:46]
181 D L X : How about me? Can I get "pedantic" with you on the law in the U.S.? Not the facts of this case, counselor, and easily distinguished at that. Even ass
182 Post contains images Kevi747 : Exactly, I remember everyone on here cheering gleefully about that poor guys death before anyone knew what had actually happened. This incident sound
183 Post contains images N1120A : Talk to and then tackle the guy. If anything, you shoot the guy's hand if he is reaching into the bag Yeah, I think blowing up a 180 passenger aircra
184 MD80fanatic : It looks as if the guy had no explosives and was probably mentally ill. BTW, I do not agree with your appraisal. The police CAN afford to give the pe
185 D L X : Because as we learned on 9/11, the proper thing to do is wait. They don't actually want to blow up the plane. Instead they want to negotiate with us.
186 Turbo7x7 : Here's the latest info from the NY Times web site: According to a witness, The A.P. said, the man appeared to have been accompanied by a woman who ran
187 AAgent : Oh, that's great. Pick one of the smallest parts of the suspects body at which to shoot...not to mention that's the part nearest the "declared" bomb.
188 Post contains images AsstChiefMark :          Dead man's switch...the choice of today's bombers. You can't reason with someone who's determined to follow through with his mission.
189 OPNLguy : Oh, pluh-leeze.....
190 APFPilot1985 : Contradict yourself much? Im sure that the FAM wasn't concerned as much for his safety as the safety of the people on board.
191 Jdwfloyd : It comes down to the fact that the Air Marshall did his job. We need to support him and not question his decision. Every thing he did was by the book,
192 Bobster2 : They killed the guy who claimed to have a bomb. So why not kill the woman who claimed to be his wife? She might have had a remote detonator for the bo
193 Dw9115 : Your joking right?
194 RoyalDutch : "Talk to and then tackle the guy. If anything, you shoot the guy's hand if he is reaching into the bag" Umm...I'd like to see you exhibit that kind of
195 MD80fanatic : And that is too much power. Weren't you aware that our Constitution provides protections against actions like this? Somewhere along the line, we have
196 Post contains images Electech6299 : As many have stated, attempting to tackle him (or any other less immediate response) would endanger far more people than a stray bullet. And consider
197 APFPilot1985 : Oh really where is that? And by that basis every PO who has ever shot someone in the line of duty is a criminal.
198 Dw9115 : You have to be joking. The founding fathers would have said blow his head off and all of this cry baby b.s. that goes on now would not be tolerated.
199 Post contains images MD80fanatic : No I am not. Now that we know the story....what did this guy do wrong, really? Run around with his arms flailing, being chased by his wife....no one
200 N1120A : Those guys were in organized teams and actually took over airplanes. This was one crazy guy screaming They seemed to hit his head pretty well The guy
201 APFPilot1985 : Exactly, what we know now. At the moment that he shot the person all The FAM knew was that there was a man claiming to have a bomb and making actions
202 Jake056 : Yes you are. You surely went to school, right? You know the difference between right and wrong? You know it is wrong to claim you have a bomb on an a
203 Usnseallt82 : Have you taken a royal shat on logic and common sense? I promise you, without a shadow of a doubt, that if you were on that aircraft or in that jetwa
204 AS907 : Are you kidding? Have you ever fired a hand gun? Hitting something that small is pretty difficult.[Edited 2005-12-07 23:47:40]
205 Post contains images Sflaflight : That's because Aaron Brown isn't working the story, oh my gosh!
206 Gatorman96 : This should send out a nice little message to any terrorists who are planning to try something in the future...Sounds like Air Marshal's are on more f
207 AAgent : I was going to give a long and reasoned post in response to your assertion, however, upon second thought, if you actually believe what you've just su
208 Dw9115 : Actually by saying those words on an airplane yes that man committed a federal crime and it was up to the Air Marshal's because if have seen the news
209 Post contains links UN_B732 : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177996,00.html Here's a link of FOX News. I believe this was unjustified, as it was clear the man was bipolar, and
210 Commavia : When was the last time you read the U.S. Constitution? To my knowledge, nowhere on that lambskin does it say, "If someone claims to pose a threat to
211 Sflaflight : Oh boy, I don't even know what to say, speechless! And pathetic!
212 APFPilot1985 : Good so they can laugh at you like I am right now. How was the Air Marshall supposed to know he was bipolar? Do they wear signs? Also, How does he kn
213 Post contains images ANCFlyer : If the reports I heard on CNN from other passengers are correct there were three shots. . . that would be consistent with appropriate law enforcement
214 Skibum9 : I can't believe the dribble you are spouting off. With your line of thinking any terrorist could complete there actions because they have to be a pro
215 Gatorman96 : MD80fanatic, are you just playing Devil's Advocate, or are you being serious? Basically what you're is that the air marshal should've said "Hey buddy,
216 AAgent : We can all look back on this event and see that the man had no bomb, but at the moment of the occurence there was no information to suggest that the
217 AsstChiefMark : He supposedly had a heated argument with his wife while en route to MIA. Do you suppose this could be a case of suicide by cop? Mark
218 N1120A : Again, why do people think there is only one way to stop someone. They could have knocked the guy over or even used a non-lethal substance like peppe
219 AAgent : Definitely a possibility. If so, it worked.
220 Myt332 : This just goes to show that the USA is truly terrorised.
221 AAgent : What are you smoking?
222 Post contains images SDLSimme : My definition of murder is to purposely kill another human bieng, and to judge from some peoples comments, that's what the air marshall did. However,
223 Post contains images NWA742 : Could not have said it better myself. ^ 1000 The 9/11 conspiracy believing was a major start, but now this, well - MD80fananatic has truely proven to
224 N1120A : This brings to light even more. Did this air marshall even think about this, as I am sure he knew about the argument? See, this is what I am talking
225 AAgent : Wrong! Had this same exact incident occured prior to 9/11, the man would still have been shot...and rightly so.
226 StuckinMAF : Say that you are appreciative the next time I am the anonymous one standing beside you in line in the convenience store that gets held up by an armed
227 Usnseallt82 : Funny comment coming from a Brit who's country is not much better these days.
228 Electech6299 : Did the FAM know whether or not the people were in danger? He didn't get to read the news account, he could only respond to a frantic situation. He d
229 Gatorman96 : If I recall correctly I think a unarmed Brazilian man was shot multiple times in England for supposedly having a bomb. Let's stop trying to blame the
230 Post contains images EA CO AS : I'm so glad to know he was wearing a t-shirt with the words "I'M BIPOLAR AND NOT ON MY MEDS" on the front.
231 Turbo7x7 : I think Colombians have been fighting the drug trade WAY WAY longer than we've been fighting the "tarrists." Trust me, a bomb is NOT going to get thr
232 Commavia : Um, when someone says they have a bomb, and then reaches into a bag, is that really the time for an air marshall to be pausing to "think about" the p
233 APFPilot1985 : When someone is threatening to use lethal force (i.e. a bomb) the only response should be with lethal force. Have you ever been sprayed with pepper s
234 Gatorman96 : N1120A, These are all fine suggestions, but if the marshal spends all of his time thinking about these ideas, hundreds of people could be dead. Mase w
235 MD80fanatic : I don't think so. The founding fathers never lived past 9-11, and if they had we would be in an entirely different, less fearful country. No argument
236 MD88Captain : Really we needed this. This incident proves the airlines to be harder targets than in pre-9/11 days AND it pretty well lays out the consequences for b
237 Myt332 : I think you'll find it's you and that twisted view that is wrong. 'Brits' just get on with it and in a much more civilised manor, we don't live in th
238 Magyar : While I feel sorry for this unfortunate person I have to admit that the airmarshall did what s/he supposed to do IMHO. >> Quoting Indio66 (Reply 147):
239 Lowrider : I submit that the air marshal did not have time to think about this. If you are presented with a person who claims to have a bomb, refuses to lay dow
240 N1120A : Mace is not what I am talking about here. I am talking about something much stronger that causes people to immediately go for their eyes in defense.
241 Gatorman96 : MD80fanatic, so what do u suggest we do the next time this happens? Should we invite him into the lounge at the airport to talk this out? It doesn't w
242 StuckinMAF : AMEN to that! And welcome to my Respected Users list!
243 APFPilot1985 : ? Cap Stun Ever?
244 Post contains links RICARIZA : This link summarizes the incident about the American shot dead: http://www.local10.com/news/5485719/detail.html
245 AAgent : It is my considered opinion that we do not live in a paranoid fear as you describe. I'm confident that the vast majority of the passengers scheduled
246 Turbo7x7 : LOL! Good one! Some people here just don't get it. Tragic incidents like this mean only one thing: the terrorists are winning, i.e., they want to INS
247 TPASXM787 : Spokesman for ElAl on MSNBC right now...he thinks it was justified. Since the man was screaming "I have a bomb" and had his hands in the bag, he had m
248 AAgent : Would a real bomb carried by a person with bipolar disorder be any less deadly? Bipolar or not, you still shoot the bomber.
249 EA CO AS : Right. You chase 'em into the subway because they just look like they might have a bomb. Very clever. And civilized.
250 ANCFlyer : You know this how??? Geez, you amaze me. Are you clairvoyant? Please read up on the Use of Force Continuum . . . . the FAM and the subject were far a
251 Dw9115 : Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 235): Were the lives of the passengers ever in danger? NO. The penalty far outweighs the crime, don't you agree? No I do no
252 Gatorman96 : I started a new post cause this one is too long... Gunfire at mia cont'd.[Edited 2005-12-08 00:35:39]
253 Post contains images N1120A : Well, given that he didn't have a bomb, what do you do now? Oh yeah, shoot him anyway. Knowing myt332, and having talked to him just after that happe
254 AeroWesty : So now he's a terrorist? What does this have to do with terrorism anyway? A lot of people hijacked planes prior to the War on Terror, and a lot of th
255 Electech6299 : MD80fanatic, it appears from your reasoning (I'm trying to understand, bear with me...) that you are assuming all of the "minority opinion" and contr
256 APFPilot1985 : It wasn't a given though at the point that he was shot. Reading your profile I know you aren't stupid so dont act like you are.
257 Thepilot730 : It's so easy to second guess what the FAM did. I would love to see what all of you would of done if you were the FAM and were in this situation. If yo
258 MD88Captain : DWW9115 - Daniel, do you think that a blast from a backpack with 2kg or so of plastic explosive would have confined itself to the jetway? No. Many peo
259 N1120A : That is my point exactly. I am not stupid, hence why I haven't jumped to congratulate the officer who did this shooting
260 APFPilot1985 : So you don't take the chance that the threat was idle. Thats all there is to it.
261 Prebennorholm : It all boils down to the fact that: If that FAM had done anything else but what he did, then he had not done the job he was paid for. It is NOT his jo
262 N1120A : No, you don't take the chance that you will kill mentally disturbed person (except in Texas of course) and don't take the chance of making things wor
263 AAgent : You're speaking after the fact. That knowledge was NOT available during the incident and, after all, the guy SAID he had a bomb. It would have been n
264 EA CO AS : Big difference - our guy in MIA today declared rather loudly that he had a bomb in his bag, and even made a motion toward toward it after being confr
265 Cfalk : I seem to recall a shooting in the London Tube recently... do you? In the end, it is up to the individual to accept responsibility for chains of even
266 Gatorman96 : There has been many serial killers that are bi-polar, but that's not an excuse to kill anyone! There is no way anyone knew this guy didn't have a bomb
267 BHMBAGLOCK : Send him a note, next time he can give the perp a hug. He probably would not be reaching into the bag if he had a Dead Man. Security in Colombia pre-
268 APFPilot1985 : I take back my previous assessment of you.
269 Electech6299 : OK, so let the mentally disturbed person set off his bomb, then take him to Texas and kill him?
270 N1120A : The FAM's job is not to kill people, it is to protect people. I want to know what exactly happened in that jetway to know just if the FAM was justifi
271 Post contains links Sabena332 : Please continue here: Gunfire At MIA Cont'd (by Gatorman96 Dec 8 2005 in Civil Aviation) Patrick
272 Hiflyer : If a passenger twice yells he has a bomb, tries to evade, and then reaches into his carryon I would hope that the trigger pulled is aimed at his head
273 DarthRandall : Man, we have to argue about everything here, don't we? Racism is a red herring. I'm a blue-eyed white boy, and I have no doubt that they would shoot m
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