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LH To Order 12 CRJ900  
User currently offlineD-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html...en/app/show/en/2005/12/515/HOM&s=0


New aircraft for Lufthansa regional fleet
Supervisory Board approves purchase of twelve Bombardier CRJ-900s

07.12.05
The Supervisory Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG approved at its meeting today the placement of orders for twelve short-haul CRJ-900 aircraft with 84 seats. In buying the competitive, cost-efficient and modern plane, Lufthansa is leading the industry-wide trend towards the deployment of larger aircraft in regional air traffic.

The competitiveness and cost-efficiency of the regional fleet are of crucial importance in Lufthansa’s European operations and for feeder flights to intercontinental connections at its major hubs. With competitive feeder traffic, the Group is aiming to grow, maximise its opportunities and open up perspectives for its staff. For customers, Lufthansa is laying on an array of point-to-point flights between destinations in Germany and Europe as well as connections to beyond flights at its hubs to around 800 destinations in 140 countries.

Simultaneously, Lufthansa is continuing its investment in one of Europe’s most modern fleets, combining high fuel efficiency with low emission levels. The twelve new CRJ-900s are to replace 50-seater CRJ-200s. The Lufthansa regional fleet currently consists of a total of 160 aircraft.

Deutsche Lufthansa AG
Corporate Communications

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Well, a bit of good news for BBD and great to see a new CRJ-900 operator!

User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Good to see some orders for Bombardier on here!
I've flown the LH CRJ's a few times and it was always a good flight - nice and quiet up front!
Great looking aircraft too - but what else would you expect from something that evolved from a bizjet  Smile


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5264 times:
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HOORAY! This is (almost) better than sex (for me anyway, haha  Smile)

Great news for BBD and LH.

On the downside - I guess this means the end of the C-Series, as BBD had hoped for a large order from LH...



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

I assume they went for the CRJs on commonality grounds with the rest of their regional fleet. However, the E-jets are by far the more confortable planes from a passanger's perspective...

Tony



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User currently offlineCaptainStorck From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

I love the CRJ900 and it will be nice to see in colors other than America West and especially DLH

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
On the downside - I guess this means the end of the C-Series, as BBD had hoped for a large order from LH...

and as for this, it is only 12 airplanes, there is still a pretty good chance for some interest in the C-series


User currently offlineFokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

It's not a huge order so I think these aircraft will just fill some gaps in their fleet while the real decision about a huge RJ order still has to be made.

As far as I know, LH is rumoured to be in talks with Sukhoi about the RRJ, Rekkof about the F70/100NG and Bombardier about their C-series proposal. If I recall correctly they were also rumoured to be in talks with Embraer, but I'm not sure about that. Will be interesting to see who will win the 'real' order.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Seems like they are talking to all the RJ manufacturers then!

User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

G´day

While this may be good news for the manufacturer, it sure ain´t good news for the passenger having to fly with them. To me that means another load of sardine cans for Lufthansa, that I have the questionable pleasure flying with far too often. Occasionally I get to fly the similarly sized Embraer 170 - what a difference. From a passengers view the Embraer is a plane, whereas the Canadair resembles a toy. Sometimes I have a choice, guess which aircraft I prefer, even if it means fewer "Miles and More" and less convenient schedules.

My EUR 0,02

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

So as of now they´ll have all CRJ types except the -705. Interesting that they drop the CRJ-200 before the -100. I guess because the latter is flown in bigger numbers.

Any info about delivery dates ?



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5079 times:
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Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
However, the E-jets are by far the more confortable planes from a passanger's perspective...

- Very true, the E series are superb!



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
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Well, I assume that LH wouldn't have operated 60+ CRJs since 1992 if the airplanes were that bad and pax really hated flying on them... I hope they will use them on flights to OSL.


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

From business point of view a good decision but I am not a huge fan of the CRJ 900. It is too overstretched.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
So as of now they´ll have all CRJ types except the -705.

The CRJ-705 is a scope thing anyway. It is the same size as the CR9, just fewer seats. Since we are going into subtypes, LH doesn't fly the CRJ-440



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User currently offlineYULMRS From France, joined Mar 2005, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Quoting CaptainStorck (Reply 5):
I love the CRJ900 and it will be nice to see in colors other than America West and especially DLH

Look at AC Jazz CRJ-705, it's the same A/C, very nice ...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
The CRJ-705 is a scope thing anyway. It is the same size as the CR9, just fewer seats. Since we are going into subtypes, LH doesn't fly the CRJ-440

What is the CRJ-440 ?



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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 549 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4805 times:

The CRJ-440 is a 44 seat version of the 50 seat CRJ-200 (I believe) it is flown by Delta Connection (Comair & ASA) and Northwest Airlink (Pinnacle). The only difference is the lack of seats, replaced by closets.

The airlines paid less for these models, and would have to pay more if they chose to remove the closets and replace them with seats. It was an offer by Bombardier to prevent the airlines from selecting Embraers.

jbmitt


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Pity. These will likely be coming to VNO (among other places) and I much prefer the E170/E190.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

If you consider the history of this order, it becomes quite clear that LH has ordered the CRJ-900 not because it was the number one choice - the Fairchild Dornier 728, which was almost a tailor-made design for Lufthansa, would have been the best aircraft suited for the airline. This replacement decision has been postponed for two years since the bankruptcy of Dornier now - two years in which LH could not find a perfect successor. Therefore they stuck to the second best solution - an aircraft, which has been "overstretched" IMO with limited or no further development potential.


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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6363 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
If you consider the history of this order, it becomes quite clear that LH has ordered the CRJ-900 not because it was the number one choice - the Fairchild Dornier 728, which was almost a tailor-made design for Lufthansa, would have been the best aircraft suited for the airline.

Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.

Ah OK, I stand corrected.  Smile So the question of how to replace the ARJ/ BAe-146 in the medium term is still left wide open...



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
So as of now they�ll have all CRJ types except the -705. Interesting that they drop the CRJ-200 before the -100. I guess because the latter is flown in bigger numbers.

I think the statement

Quoting D-AIFB (Thread starter):
The twelve new CRJ-900s are to replace 50-seater CRJ-200s

includes both, the CRJ-100 and CRJ-200 as both planes are marked as CRJ-200 IIRC.

Georg.


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6363 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 19):
So the question of how to replace the ARJ/ BAe-146 in the medium term is still left wide open...

I believe that the ARJ fleet is only about 18 and their replacement will be part of a wider issue than just capacity replacement. As you know, under present arrangements LH cannot use its regional's crews to operate aircraft with more than 70 seats. If you recall, the introduction of the 146 into Air Dolomiti upset Vereiningung Cockpit.

Addressing the planned CRJ-900 purchase, while CityLine is the logical operator of the CRJ-900, LH has not specified which of its regional carriers will operate it. The CRJ-900 order details will not be finalized until an agreement with its pilots are reached over regional operations. The LH board has only approved the plan to purchase 12 CRJ-900's... but no purchase dates have been disclosed, and neither have possible delivery dates.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
HOORAY! This is (almost) better than sex (for me anyway, haha )

Then one cannot help but to question how you can fix your sex life...  duck 

Did they ever order EMB-190's??



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 15):
The CRJ-440 is a 44 seat version of the 50 seat CRJ-200 (I believe) it is flown by Delta Connection (Comair & ASA) and Northwest Airlink (Pinnacle). The only difference is the lack of seats, replaced by closets.

The airlines paid less for these models, and would have to pay more if they chose to remove the closets and replace them with seats. It was an offer by Bombardier to prevent the airlines from selecting Embraers.

Actually all but 2 of the CRJ-400/440s built were taken by Pinnacle, with 1 still owned by Bombardier and one sold by Bombardiew to Jazz, both of which were likely NTU by Pinnicle. The reason they were built is because of scope clause issues with Northwest's pilots and 50 seat aircraft

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.

There was a 928 jet proposed as well.



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6363 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
There was a 928 jet proposed as well.

Yes, there were 2 versions that FD was designing but the 928 was up against the BRJ-X... not the CRJ-900 as it did not exist at the time.

Stretching the CRJ-700 into the CRJ-900 was BBD's only option in order to keep a foot in the 70+ seat market after the BRJ-X lost both the LH competition to FD and the Crossair competition to EMB.



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25 DFORCE1 : I'm still hoping LH will go with the C Series to replace their Avro RJ's. While I agree that the CRJ200's are cramped sardine cans, I've been on AC J
26 Columba : Sorry I doubt that. As I stated before in numerous threads I believe that after the Fairchild/Dornier 728 debacle LH would not order an aircraft whic
27 N1120A : The Jazz CRJ705s are low density versions of the CRJ900, which makes them much more comfortable.
28 Post contains images CRJ900 : Well, reading this great piece of news made me very "excited" - which my darling benefitted from at bedtime... need I say more? *nugde nugde* I hope
29 MauriceB : how does it come that, everytime LH is evaluating a regional jet, the company cancell the project or doesnt have money to go on.... first it was dorni
30 Post contains links A342 : If you go to www.munich-airport.de and have a look at the current departures/arrivals, you´ll see that they are split into -100 and -200 (and -700 b
31 Beechcraft : I see this Order just as an interim solution for LH. 12 CRJ 900 will replace up to 20 CRJ200 from LH Cityline, as the first 200s are getting quite old
32 Post contains images CRJ900 : "Lufthansa signs for 12 CRJ900" it says on the Bombardier website. It wasn't there when I checked last night, so the agreement must have been finalise
33 Jbmitt : I stand corrected. Delta does list the crj-100 & 200 with seating for 40 or 50. I must have been on a 40 seater, I thought i counted 44.
34 Columba : I was really wondering why Lufthansa had ordered the CRJ 900, a plane they were never really fond of. They claimed that several times that the CRJ 700
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