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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7907 posts, RR: 14
Posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

One of the reasons behind the Wright Amendment was to keep the City of Fort Worth happy after the opening of DFW that air service to the Dallas/Fort Worth area would not shift back to Love Field. My question is, that now that the overall amount of air travel in and out of Dallas has grown so much is there a need for the Wright Amendment anymore? With all the recent expansion in and out of Love with RJ's and Legend and AA first class F-100s why not just repeal it and open it up as a regional gateway and business airport? I'd imagine that American would not be too found of this, even though they could expand there, b/c Southwest would likely take advantage of it and open up transcon routes out of Love.

What are your thoughts on this, or any artificial airport restrictions?

Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3081 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

I think that in addition to the Wright Amendment that the city of Dallas was contractually obligated to limit traffic out of Love to promote growth at DFW. I've read into it as much as I could on the web and without finding anything conclusive. The latest info I could come up with was that the situation was being haggled out in the courts.

I've recently learned of the regional jet services so I guess that Ft. Worth is losing it's battle.

I think DFW's place is well established now so ALL traffic out of love should be unrestricted.

The agreements and laws on the matter should have been for a fixed amount of time, say 30-40 years.

Hopefully, Southwest can find a way to operate unrestricted out of Love.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

I hate to see a good topic die, especially when it is mine.

There have been several new RJ services out of Love... CO started service to Cleveland from Love for example. But I think if the Wright Amendment was appealed this could open the door for Southwest to make a major hub out of love field (don't know if they want to actually do this, but for arguements sake lets say they do). i could see an additional 50-70 flights a day to places like LAX, LAS, SAN, PHX, MDW, BWI, MCO, RDU, STL, etc... which may not make American too happy, while it is not infringing on their supremacy at DFW it is taking away a share of the Dallas market from them.

Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAA 737-800 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

If the Wright Ammendment was to be repealed it would be horrible to me, my home town, and other cities that Southwest already serves from Love. If the Wright Ammendment is appealed then SW will use their gates and planes for longer and more profitable routes instead of having the normal 13 flights daily to LBB and 9 daily flight to AMA. Already SW cancels any flight to LBB if the plane is need on another flight with mechanical problem, this exact thing happend to my dad this morning. I hope that it isn't repealed for my sake  .
Sorry to those faithful SW flyers in the DFW Metro.

Civil engineering isn't about making things perfect...just better.
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Southwest has built itself around the Wright Amendment, and it's doing pretty well for itself. It may help them to lift it, but they don't need it.

Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1292 times:

IMHO, the Wright Amendment (Shelby Amendment) won't be repealed anytime soon. The snooty Park Cities residents don't want travellers driving on their streets to get to DAL and of course the increased air traffic won't be tolerated flying over Buffy's pool party.

WN has created a successful formula at DAL, since the Shelby Amendment, they have not expanded service to the new states. DAL serves it purpose in their system.

DAL is also in a prime position to be a RJ hub. Jim Wright never imagined people would want to fly in a plane with 56 seats or less but the times have caught up with the development and popularity of the RJ. Already ASA, COExp, and even Eagle have begun to fly RJ flights from DAL. If they continue to focus on Business Cities with direct service to DAL, then that could be a successful operation for all carriers.

A last note, DFW's existence won't be threatened by DAL's growth, no matter what AA and FW say.

P.S. AA 737-800, I went to college in LBB and I know the DAL-LBB express and can sympathize with your (and your Dad's) situation.

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

I'm aware of the existence of the Wright Amendment, even though I've never been to Texas. (But I do know others who have been there, though) I figure that this law was put in place, like Desertjets said, to keep as little traffic as possible from being siphoned off to Love Field, which sits right in the middle of Dallas. But there may be opposition to the repealing of the Wright Amendment, not just by AA and DFW, but also by residents of Dallas who live under the flight approach paths into Love Field.

Last I heard, there's a court fight about changing the Wright Amendment to allow flights out of Love Field to more states.

I can understand the situation at Love Field, as Edmonton Municipal(YXD), now City Centre Airport, had similar restrictions placed upon it by Transport Canada, (a Canadian gov't department). The airport, like Love Field sits near downtown Dallas, sits only a few miles from downtown Edmonton. Flights were restricted at first to Northern Alberta, Calgary, the province of Saskatchewan to the east and the Northwest Territories to the north. Then about three years before it was closed to scheduled service in 1996 to planes greater than 10 seats and the major regional carriers were shifted to Edmonton International(YEG), the law was changed to allow jet a/c flights into BC, including Vancouver and Victoria. I believe this law was in place to keep too much traffic from being siphoned out of YEG, and likely to keep aircraft noise to a minimum. I live right underneath one of YXD's flight approach paths, so I remember how loud and nasty the 737s and the F28s were going right over my apartment. Edmonton is a city of 670,000(city), so you can imagine how many people would feel about a/c noise in their backyards!

I've got a question that hopefully you Texans can answer: Does the Wright Amendment affect other airports within the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex besides Love Field?

User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Samurai, the Wright Amendment (Shelby Amendment) does not affect any other airports besides DAL. The Wright Amendment was put in place because Ft. Worth was concerned that airlines would not move to DFW. Jim Wright, the FW congressional representative and later Speaker of the House, sponsered the bill to limit the flights at love in an attempt to deter airlines using the airport. WN was able to stay at DAL, through years of legal battles, because they were not an interstate carrier at the time and because their operators certificate was issued by the Texas Aeronautics Commision, not the FAA. The reason why Ft. Worth was so concerned about DAL was because and earlier attempt was made to create Greater Southwest Airport in the 1950's. The airport was built, practically with all of Ft. Worth's $$ and a few airlines moved to GSA, notably AA because Mr. Ft. Worth Aviation, Amon Carter, was a board member of AA and C.R. Smith was a good friend. However, DL also operated to the GSA. Anyway, the airlines soon realized that all of the traffic is in Dallas and they moved back to DAL.

IMO, DFW would not be around if DAL had not run out of room for expansion. There is a long standing feud between Dallas and Ft. Worth and it took Federal prodding for the two cities to work together to build the airport, which as we all know is a great success.

The Wright Amendment was amened to add MS and AL in 1997 by Sen. Richard Shelby of AL. His attempt to completely repeal the WA failed settling for MS and AL. However, WN still does not have direct flights from DAL outside of the origanal 4 states of the WA.

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 6065 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

Ft. Worth is being disingenuous, and harmful to its citizens, by supporting the Wright Amendment.

Disingenuous, because they have supported, and profited hugely from, the construction and subsequent success of Alliance Airport (Ross Perot, Jr.'s cargo & maintenance airport), and seem to see no inherent conflict with the revenue it takes away from DFW.

Harmful, because in supporting DFW to the detriment of DAL, they are assuring that one strong airline (AA) has dominant control over the majority of long-haul PAX space out of the North Texas area, and that WN cannot affect long-haul fares here, as it does in virtually every other market where it flies. WN could not effectively utilize DFW because of the excessive size and congestion at DFW, and effect on WN's schedules.

DFW's future is secure; DAL is a useful and underutilized facility, and additional air travel capacity is needed (wiitness, $1.0+ billion expansion planned and underway at DFW).

Every other major metropolitan area in the nation supports multiple unrestricted airports, but (for historical reasons related to political feuds, not present economic reality) North Texas may not be similarly benefited.

They're a good airline, but hte only people in the DFW area who can afford to fly 'em are either (1) rich; (2) busines travelers; or (3) non-revs.

...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (15 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

I am going to have to agree with you there Sccutler... though I do find it odd that only Love Field was restricted, but not Mecham in Ft. Worth, though airlines were never really attracted there in the first place. I just don't agree with artifical restrictions when there clearly is no need. When DFW was first opened it made sense to try to restrict Love... however it should have not been a permanet thing. When Houston built Intercontinental all traffic was moved from Hobby, but that was (as far as I know) a choice agreed to by the airlines. now small, close-in airports are seeing a revival... (Hobby, Midway, et al) and for economic growth reasons there is no reason why Love should be continued to be restricted. If opened up there is a risk that Southwest might reduce or cut some of their Texas routes... which would be bad, but for the sake of competition and lower fares in the Dallas/Ft. Worth region it would be very beneficial. I guess old habits die hard.

Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
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