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737 Turns 6000!  
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

According to BCA, the current 737 order book stands at 5992. With the recent WestJet order plus whatever else Boeing have got in the past week, the 737 has now had over 6000 orders and NGs account for almost half of that.

I think it's safe to say Boeing have received a reasonable return on investment.

Current deliveries stand at 4950 (more than 1000 backlog) so expect the celebrations for the 5000th 737 to take to the sky soon.

[Edited 2005-12-08 03:02:39]

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User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

Wow, that's pretty amazing, especially since so many of them are NextGens, which were made after the plane started getting some worthy competition. The profit they've made by just retooling an old plane must be unbelieveable. I guess, the 737 is like coffee--you can prepare it a hundred different ways, and it will still be good.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11609 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Long live the 737!  Smile

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

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Great Aircraft.
Greater Achievement.
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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
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The B737 is the indisputable leader in narrowbody sales. Way to go Boeing and maybe another 6000 more B737s  Smile The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

What an amazing aircraft

All the versions of the 737 from the 737-100 to the 737-900ER
BBJ's
The military 737 program (C40A, C40B, C40C)
and the Navy MMJ program (Multi Mission Jet) P-8 (P-3 replacement)



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

WOW! What an amazing accomplishment. I can't even begin to say how many 737's I've been on in my years! Between travels to and from the east coast, to travels up and down the west coast, it's got to be over 100. As for the A3xx family, that's an easy one... maybe 10 times?


What an amazing aircraft! Many more years of success to the 737 family!!!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

All credit to the 737 which will become (maybe already is!) an aviation legend. But there's no need to exaggerate.

The 737 NG (-600/700/800/900/BBJ) has outsold the A320 (model, not family) but so what? Add in the A318, A319 and A321 (which is a more meaningful comparison) and it has not. (737NG = 2,879 of all variants; A320 family = 3,914 of all variants.)

Of all 9 737 and 4 A320 family variants, the A320 is the best seller with 2,000+. The four models of the 737NG can muster a greater total but, again, so what?

The A320 (2,000+) easily saw off the similar-sized 737-400 (486). Now, if you want to heap praise on the 737 talk about the 737-800! It hasn't yet caught the A320-200 but with 1,559 sales so far it has sold at a faster rate than the A320.

(Note: no attempt here to start a conflict; merely a wish to correct an inaccurate statement.)


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4416 times:
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An incredible achievement for the "short little ugly fella". Congratulations to Boeing.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

Please check your numbers and get back to us!  wink 



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21528 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

You kind of have to add the 734 and 738 together when comparing with the A320 since they both "compete" in size (with the 738 a bit larger) and both were offered AFTER the A320 was launched in 1982. One would hope the A320 matches or outsells the 734/738 considering it predates them (though obviously early sales of a new type might be slower than early 734 sales since that was a new variant of an existing type). That both types have sold over 2000 versions, in nearly identical numbers is amazing! (734+738 = 2058, A320 = 2082)

The 733/73G numbers are also outstanding, at 2245. But since the A319 wasn't available till mid 90s, it's sales should be compared only to the 73G. And lo and behold, the numbers are nearly identical! (73G=1132, A319=1138). Talk about a 50/50 parity between two quality aircraft...

Of course, the way airbus tells it on their website, the 737 doesn't seem to exist:

"With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the A320 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace."

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a320/

(and some people wonder why we don't always believe everything Airbus claims. but that's another topic.)

Well, just for the record since the 733-739 have been for sale for roughly the same time as the A320 family, I'd say the 4848 airframes ordered from the 737 model ranges is pretty impressive (900 more than the A320 series, though this doesn't include china).

Or to put it another way, the 3444 737 family aircraft DELIVERED since March 1988 (the A320 EIS) are enough to "dispute" the A320's undisputed leadership, at least. Parity, yes. Leadership? The jury is still out...  Wink



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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

What airline will get the 6,000th 737?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 7):
The 737 NG (-600/700/800/900/BBJ) has outsold the A320 (model, not family) but so what? Add in the A318, A319 and A321 (which is a more meaningful comparison) and it has not. (737NG = 2,879 of all variants; A320 family = 3,914 of all variants.)

The B737NG family was offered years after the A320 was first offered, but its quickly catching the A320 family in over all sales. I should have re-worded my previous post more better.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
"With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the A320 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace."

Please let me have the fun with re-wording Airbus's obvious mistake "With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the B737 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace." Big grin


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
The B737NG family was offered years after the A320 was first offered, but its quickly catching the A320 family in over all sales.

It is? From where I'm standing, seems they're both selling at about the same pace, i.e. 50/50.

A320 has even been selling faster than the 737NG over the last couple of years. And for this year, the numbers are, as of Nov. 30:

737NG: 462
A32X: 549

So, 'quickly catching' the A32X? Hardly...

Anyway, sorry for the diversion, achieving 6,000 sales is very impressive no matter what! Congratulations Boeing!

[Edited 2005-12-08 10:59:55]

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4190 times:

6,000 frames! Pretty damn impressive for a program that Boeing was very seriously considering scrapping (due to sluggish sales) in the early to mid 70's!

Congrats, Boeing!  trophy 

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4169 times:

Who has operated the most 737's over the years?


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4163 times:
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Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 15):
Who has operated the most 737's over the years?

I would assume WN ( but of course I could , as usual , be totally wrong )



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 13):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

The thread was going in the right direction before your comment.
Some people just can't enjoy a success without some unnecessary remarks.

Yep! You're right, just enjoy the good news about the 6,000 orders for the 737 line, which is very impressive.



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 10):
What airline will get the 6,000th 737?

It'll be line #1868 but it's not yet known to me. I'll see what I can find out.

Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

RK


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4131 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 17):
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 10):
What airline will get the 6,000th 737?

It'll be line #1868 but it's not yet known to me. I'll see what I can find out.

Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

Jan/Feb which year ? remember , the question was the 6 000th airframe , not the 5 000th - there is a backlog of over 1 000 frames  Wink



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21528 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 12):
A320 has even been selling faster than the 737NG over the last couple of years.

Very true, and I think that momentum will continue, which is why Boeing must offer a 797 as soon as they are ready. EIS for that will be 2012, based on my analysis of their engineering and flight test backlog. Authority to offer will be before mid-2008 787 EIS, possibly even 2007 at 787 first flight.

Quoting RobK (Reply 17):
Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

2008?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

The 737 family has been refreshed/reinvented twice (1. the replacement of JT8s with CFM56s and 2. the 737NG) but the A320-200 (forget the first handful of -100s) is effectively the same plane as it was in the late 1980s when it was launched.

Or is it? I have no idea. It must have been tweaked but have the changes been small and incremental or much more significant? The A320-200 is still called the A320-200 (i.e. not-400/-800 or whatever) but does that mean it's still effectively the same plane? I'd be happy if someone could clarify this for me.

(What I mean is that the 737NG has come a long way since it was a 737-200. Has the A320 made a comparable journey or has the design simply stood the test of time?)


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Gotta love the "stubby". A true achievement. The A-320 is also selling well and will achieve major milestones soon.

I wonder if B can ever expect to develop a follow on aircraft that will be as successful. One can only hope they are able to transfer 787 technology into the 737 successor.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Congratulations Boeing!

Could somebody knowledgeable on that subject tell us how many 737 Boeing thought they could reasonably sell, when they launched the plane, please?


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

I'd like to know what the Boeing projections were for aircraft in that market size back when it was launched in the 60s.  Smile

Trent.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Or is it? I have no idea. It must have been tweaked but have the changes been small and incremental or much more significant?

There have been minor tweaks along the way. Replacing CRT screens with TFTs was one. Other avionics updates are applied across the whole range whenever a new model is released (last was the A318).

No major updates as far as I'm aware, unlike the 737 family. What you need to remember is that when the A320 was released by Airbus, it was very advanced compared to the competition (737-300/400/500, MD-80s). Boeing's response, after the A320 started to gain momentum, was to update the 737 line to the NG models (-600/700/800/900).

Boeing deserves huge credit for the fact that they've managed to produce a perfectly viable competitor to the A320 by modifying an existing plane.



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25 Post contains images Scbriml : The difference in sales over an extended period is hardly worth bothering with. Over 12 years, I think the A320 has sold about 250 more than the 737
26 NorCal : Airbus deserves credit for building such an awesome machine and forcing Boeing to respond with one too. Competition is good.
27 PM : Thanks. That was my understanding. Agreed. How many other designs could be (or have been) reworked to such an extent and with such success? I've flow
28 Ikramerica : There have been steady improvements over the years. The A320s today are far better than the initial 320-200. Do you understand what the word momentum
29 Post contains images PM : Then let me remind you. South African replaced a fleet of A320s with 737-800s. However, before their 738s were all delivered they decided to replace
30 RedFlyer : I read a couple of years ago that Boeing's initial market projections were for approximately 250 copies. This was back in February, 1965 when Boeing
31 Traineepilot : I think the 737NG is the best plane available on the market (for short-haul obviously). Hoping to fly the 737 when I get my licence. The 737 is the bi
32 Post contains links and images Psa53 : Congrats to Boeing! When I was growing up,I always thought the 727 would be break such a record.But then the first "oil crisis" hit and the 727 fate w
33 MD80Nut : Well said. While SAA has switched back and forth as mentioned, the A320 family has strong customer loyalty. They sell well because it's a high qualit
34 RedFlyer : Carriers have switched to 320's from 737's, but that was only carriers that had classics in their fleet. Has there been a situation where a carrier s
35 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : Probably Southwest. If WN does get it, I hope they put a special livery.Whoever gets it I hope someone puts a Special Livery on it. Cheers, jetmatt77
36 Jwb20 : I agree WN will probably get the 6000 one. WN still has a ton of 737 on order. Southwest is supposed to receive 36 737-700 in 2006. cheers, jwb20
37 Ikramerica : Yes, but the 737NG was 7 years late to that contest and has still sold: 2850+. But while that is good in 12 years (from authority to offer of 73G), i
38 Post contains images Scbriml : Yes thank you. I did study Physics till I was 18. ANA are switching from A320s to 737NGs. How about the other way - anyone switched from 737NGs to A3
39 PM : easyJet (737-700s followed by a much bigger A319 order) comes to mind. And the SAA 738s to be replaced by A320s (for what it's worth). But you're rig
40 Scbriml : Good point, but easyJet isn't actually replacing their 73Gs with A319s are they?
41 PM : Not initially, for sure. But in the medium- to long-term it would make sense to settle on just one type and - at present - that would seem more likel
42 777ER : Air Asia instantly comes to mind
43 Scbriml : But aren't they flying 737-300s rather than NGs? It means the head of fleet "planning" at SAS is an aviation enthusiast who wants to see as many type
44 PanAm_DC10 : I'm not sure of their exact fleet at the moment though won't Air Berlin be switching from 737NGs to the A320 series? Regards, PanAm_DC10
45 Post contains images EI747SYDNEY : What about Aer Lingus? Rob
46 PM : Nope. Aer Lingus had 737-400s and -500s, no NGs. True enough. They currently fly 737-800s but have switched over to A230s. But, like easyJet, are the
47 Post contains links 797charter : And so did Air Berlin - has just received D-ABDA: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...ev_id=947888&next_id=943897&size=L And ship no 2 is not far
48 Aviationwiz : They also called off the A320 replacement, and are staying with just replacing the older 732's with A319's, the 738's will stay.
49 PM : Really? I knew it wasn't planned to start until 2010 but I didn't know the order had been cancelled. Can anyone confirm this?
50 Post contains images RobK : Just for info, the 5000th 737 will be N230WN for Southwest, cn 34592, line 1868. RK
51 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : PM To the best of my knowledge the A320 was cancelled. SAA suffered substantial FX losses on their hedging strategy and had to re-negotiate thier Air
52 PM : Interesting. Thanks. With luck, I'll be on two of their A319s next month after a few years of flying their 738s. I look forward to making a compariso
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