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Why No MKE-MDW YX?  
User currently offlineN723GW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

When C8 had this route, it was always full, is there any reason why skyway doesn't put in 4 dailys to MDW?


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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

I dont' know...maybe because it competes with Amtrak.

I just found out the other day that Skyway once served Kokomo and Anderson, IN. Does anybody know how long those markets lasted?

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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

To the best fo my knowledge....Skyway never served either Kokomo or Anderson (Muncie), Indiana.
Where did you see that????
A 3rd level commuter airline called Skystream might have back in the 1970's but even that I doubt because Muncie/New Castle/Anderson was a former Lake Central city and when Lake central became part of Allegheny, the city went to Vercoa Air Service as an Allegheny Commutwer replacement carrier. Vercoa then became Britt Airways.
After Britt's pull out in early 1990 American Eagle might have gone in for a short time with Shorts 360s. After they left, Direct Air based in Kokomo then later Gary Indiana started flying in Midway from Muncie. After Direct AIr changed its name to Midway Connection they pulled out of the market and Great Lakes Aviation when they still hubbed in Chicago took over.....however, since then no other airline has eve served the city.
As for Kokomo... also a Lake Central town. Then Allegheny, but this time Air Wisconsin came in and flew to Kokomo instead of Vercoa.
Eventually according to the OAG's that I have Air Wisconsin was the only airline to come into Kokomo until Direct Air started flying Piper 1040/Cheiftains into and out of Ohare. That lasted until they lost EAS subsidy, whuich unfortunately became the same story all over the midwest.

I will have to look that up someplace..I have been following skyway since they first started flying in 1989 as Mesa dba/ Skyway the Midwest Connection using Beech 1900Cs..Then when Mesa crapped out on MidExp and a new carrier called Astral started service and flew the larger Beech 1900Ds...
Dont rememebr ever seeing either OKK or MIE on the Mid Exp schedules.....

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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Actually Skyway did fly between Midway and MKE....but it was continuation service on to Louisville, Ky. MKE-MDW-SDF. That was in the mid 1990s.
The other reason they dont try to feed MKE out of MDW is simple...MidExp does not fly to enuff destinations especially sun destinations as C8/TZ did. When C8 flew MKE-MDW they had many destinations to connect to via ATA.....so in theory altho it sounds like a good idea...I dont know that they would ever dedicate even a Beech 1900 to the route...Im sure had it been successful they might have kept it....

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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Skyway did serve both Kokomo and Anderson IN for roughly a year or so...from Flint. It was under contract with GM to link big facilities in those two Indiana cities with GM's big Flint division. The service was round-robin twice each weekday (FNT-AID-OKK-FNT) I suspect virtually nobody flew this route who wasn't connected with GM or a GM-related company like Delphi.

This service was back in the days when Mesa flew Skyway...I think we're talking 1992 or so. This, actually was one of the reasons that Midwest did not renew the contract with Mesa and started up their own in-house airline to fly Skyway. Mesa was too interested in flying non-Milwaukee markets that did nothing for Midwest. At their peak of non-Milwaukee flying, Mesa (as Skyway) flew these non-Milwaukee markets:

Flint-Anderson-Kokomo-Flint
Flint-Rochester NY
Rockford-Detroit-Flint
Detroit-Bloomington-Champaign-Detroit
Columbus-Baltimore
Columbus-Rochester-Buffalo-Columbus
Louisville-Chicago Midway-(Milwaukee)

As for Miidway, Skyway did fly to MDW back in the Mesa days on a MKE-MDW-SDF routing. That market died immediately when Southwest started flying MDW-SDF. Skyway did again come back to Midway much later flying their own equipment. In fall of 1997 when Skyway picked up Escanaba, they flew Escanaba-Milwaukee-Midway, with the MKE-MDW flights being twice daily. The thought on this was that since United Express and American Eagle had both pulled out of the UP at that point, there was no service to Chicago from Escanaba or Marquette. So this could serve the local business traffic flow between the UP and Chicago. In fact the traffic on Milwaukee-Midway was very light...perhaps on average 5 or 6 pax per flight...and it was dropped in six months.

There are not very many people who fly locally between Milwaukee and Chicago -- the huge bulk flying between the two are connecting to other fliights. There's really not much of a local market to go after.


User currently offlineDaus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting N723GW (Thread starter):
is there any reason why skyway doesn't put in 4 dailys to MDW?

Why be a feeder airliner for your competition?


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

i love it when Access-Air comments in threads!!

He always knows so much about airline history in the midwest.

Kudo's Access-Air, I appreciate your comments.



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User currently offlineN723GW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Kind of off-subject, but they also used to fly GRR-LGA, kind of an odd routing, I guess it was late 1999/early 2000...


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Quoting N723GW (Reply 7):
Kind of off-subject, but they also used to fly GRR-LGA, kind of an odd routing, I guess it was late 1999/early 2000...

Yup they did, as Skyway owned by Midwest, try several piont-to-piont routes out of Grand Rapids. They flew FRJ's to LGA and DCA, and BE1 to YYZ, CMH, plus GRR-IND-BNA briefly. These were not all at one time but over the course of several years. They also flew GRR-EWR with DC9. Grand Rapids is a market that has seemed promising but ultimately disappointing for?


User currently offlineN723GW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

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They also flew GRR-EWR with DC9. Grand Rapids is a market that has seemed promising but ultimately disappointing for?

I think those routes died down becuase of COex flying to EWR with obviously a few more connections then YX would have, which may of killed the LGA flight too, but problem with GRR is they charge insane rent for carriers (excess of $85/sq ft) because they are stingy in knowing that they do have a potential to have markets to virtually anywhere, so they are saying well, let's make some money off of it! That is why USX doesn't fly there anymore. A few years ago, they had US flying I think 319's and F100's to PIT, then when US had problems, they went from B4 gate to B5, sharing with C8, then with C8 leaving, US was forced to pay all of the ramp rent, not only half because they were sharing, so one day, a head honcho from BWI flew in and said sorry guys, closing down...



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

I have also wondered that... They could maybe do 2 dailies and connect biz passengers from Chicago area and try and steal some of United Express's passengers. It could work.

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Knope2001

Thanks, I guess I never paid attention to that service for the GM flights....It makes sense tho...I stand corrected...I guess they did do service in those two cities.....
Thanks for setting the record straight on that. I think Ill go hide my face in shame for a while....LOL.
All the other stuff I said the in the previous threads was correct tho...
Thanks!!

Access-Air



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 11):



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 11):
Thanks for setting the record straight on that. I think Ill go hide my face in shame for a while....LOL.

What for? Everybody in here has been wrong, but not everybody admits it.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
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Another issue is probably plane availability, last I heard the Skyway fleet was stretched pretty thin.


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

There are 10 FRJ's that Skyway operates. At any given time 1 is on a heavy maintenance check. The Be-19's are also pretty well spread thin.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2597 times:
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Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 8):
Yup they did, as Skyway owned by Midwest, try several piont-to-piont routes out of Grand Rapids. They flew FRJ's to LGA and DCA, and BE1 to YYZ, CMH, plus GRR-IND-BNA briefly. These were not all at one time but over the course of several years. They also flew GRR-EWR with DC9. Grand Rapids is a market that has seemed promising but ultimately disappointing for?

When I was a ramper in GRR Skyway flew to the following cities, MKE, FNT, DAY, CMH, YYZ, LGA, and DCA. They were acutally considering making GRR a crew base for the 328, but then 9/11 happened and it all went to hell.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 11):
Thanks, I guess I never paid attention to that service for the GM flights....It makes sense tho...I stand corrected...I guess they did do service in those two cities.....
Thanks for setting the record straight on that. I think Ill go hide my face in shame for a while....LOL.

Oh please! You know a ton of stuff and have a good memory for it too.  Smile


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Skyway has 10 FRJs and we're down to 11 1900's from 12 .... N801SK was just recently sold off (at least that means it'll finally get repainted).


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Thanks Knope2001....

I guess Imust have not paid attention to those flights because they werent things I was booking thru our travel agency then. I do remember after Astral became the Skyway Airlines partner that America West Express started flying Rockford Nonstop to Detroit right along side Skyway. Also at one point the maintenance base for Skyway used to be at Rockford. I still wish Rockford was on their route map. Altho Rockford isnt that far from Milwaukee, maybe an hour 20 mins by car...Itd still be nice to just fly up there in 30 mins....

Matter factly one year when Midwest Express was having a Travel Agent sales promo I booked so many business travelers on the Rockford Detroit flights that I earned my self a free rouind trip ticket on Midwest And Skyway, but that was in 1993 when it was still Mesa doing the Skyway.
And now that I think about it, I think the Skyway maintenace base in Rockford was for Mesa, not Astral.

Anyway, Im thru with that...LOL.

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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 17):
Skyway has 10 FRJs and we're down to 11 1900's from 12 .... N801SK was just recently sold off (at least that means it'll finally get repainted).

Perhaps slightly off-topic (except for the fact that new planes would be required to start a new route such as MKE-MDW) but what is the status of...

  • Midwest/Skyway's Embraer order
  • DL/ACA's FRJ's

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    User currently offlineMidway737 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 125 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

    Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 19):
    Perhaps slightly off-topic (except for the fact that new planes would be required to start a new route such as MKE-MDW) but what is the status of...


    Midwest/Skyway's Embraer order

    DL/ACA's FRJ's

    That a very good question, Im not sure what will happen. All we can do wait and watch. I think Midwest/skyway will have more embraer soon.


    DL/ACA are no longer flying when Atlantic Coast Airlines ceased and change to independent airlines which is ironic called Independence Air.


    User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

    Midway737...a bit of refinement on your grammar there, bud,  Smile

    But to answer the questions posed by quoting my own posts...

    The Embraer order, from what I've heard, is pretty much dead. We simply don't have the financing for it and don't expect to have it anytime soon. While no official announcement has been made, I think it's more or less been canceled.

    As far as the ex-ACA 328Jets ... last I knew we were still talking with DL and Mesa about leasing them for our own use ... but I know nothing further than that.



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    User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

    Quoting JBo (Reply 21):
    The Embraer order, from what I've heard, is pretty much dead. We simply don't have the financing for it and don't expect to have it anytime soon. While no official announcement has been made, I think it's more or less been canceled.

    last time i checked....the embraer order book still had 20 erj's for skyway that were to be delivered in 2006



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    User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

    Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 19):
    Perhaps slightly off-topic (except for the fact that new planes would be required to start a new route such as MKE-MDW) but what is the status of...


    Midwest/Skyway's Embraer order

    DL/ACA's FRJ's

    ERJ-140s......no way in heck are those ever coming in.

    Delta Deal...wow where have you been, that's long dead, although it was almost dead with in 6 months of announcing it, just skyway pushed things off and delta had time to figure out other options.


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