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User currently offlineGeoffthomas From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 20 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
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For a an aviation documentary series (6 x One hour) we are making we want to work one episode around the life of an aircraft that started off with a major airline, was handed from one to another then spent some time in the desert before being reborn as a freighter or the like.
Can anyone help with some good candidates either Airbus or Boeing.
Best
Geoffrey Thomas

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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Blimey! There are literally thousands of candidates!

If you're looking at aircraft that are now freighters your best bet would be a DC10.

Perhaps DC10-30 cn 46931?

Started life with Pakistan Intl as AP-AXC in March 74, sold to CP Air in September 86 as C-FCRA, merged into Canadian Airlines May 87, leased to Aeromexico September 89 as XA-AMR, returned, parked for a bit, leased to Laker Airways April 96 as N832LA, returned, stored for a bit, leased to Gemini Air Cargo July 2000 as N614GC, ferried to Naples for cargo conversion, parked for a few months, converted, ferried to the desert for storage, into service October 02, sub-leased to Cielos del Peru February 05 and current.

Exact dates and histories tend to be patchy for the older ones as it's difficult to keep track of their movements in and out of storage etc.

Source of the above, http://www.airlinerlist.com.

RK  Smile


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Geoffrey,

Just a few ideas to share:

B747:
N716CK Kalitta Air (orig. UA, then to PA, then to freight w Polar and now CK)

B727-200F:
N73751 Express.Net (Braniff, then to CO, now with Express.Net)
N76754 Express.Net (Braniff, then to CO, now with Express.Net)

Good luck!
Jeffrey



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User currently offlineGeoffthomas From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 20 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
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That's great. Tks A340 spotter - Jeffrey - and Rob K. We will start working on those frames.
Best GT


User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I have to say that would make a blooming good programme.

Again the best advice I can give you is to check out the site given by RobK

Dont forget to keep us posted on how it's going for you.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineGeoffthomas From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 20 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
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Will do.
Actually it will be a documentary series that will knock your socks off.
I for one am sick of watching docos put together by people who really don't know what their talking about and use bland film shots.
They miss the real points and the series lacks action and vibrance.
In fact I will be asking members for help on some of the best places to film, aside from the usual. Places like Zurich, Manchester and Gatwick some to mind...Also SFO on the hill.
Best GT


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 661 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
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If you want Boeing 757's the best page on the web is Marcel Van Noordenne's at the following link. All of them are listed with their complete history of operators since new.

http://www.b757.info/

AV757


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2762 times:

Maybe another idea is to start backwards -- start with a plane you want to work on, a converted A300, for example, with one of the cargo lines, then see who might've owned them, etc?

I'm suggesting this approach because there might be one particular airline that you want to work with (for your ease, if you have contacts, etc) and so you can easily limit your choices quickly. There are, as others have mentioned, way too many choices.


User currently offlineD5DBY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

i have a question....how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)?? i thought the CN number was unique for every AC...

for example there are several AC that have the CN number 271. how is that possible?


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Geoffrey,

How about PP-TPC (DC-8-52 45752/233. Started life out as ZK-NZC with TEAL/Air New Zealand


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After that, it was with Faucett, as OB-1421


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Later, it was seized after aparently being used for drug running, according to what I am reading, with a registration (possibly false) HK-3947X


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Now it is owned by Transportes Charter do Brasil, and appears to have been retired and parked up at Manaus in Brazil


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To my knowledge, this is the sole survivor of TE/NZ's DC-8 fleet.

V/F



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 9):
how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)

A construction number is just a company thing. So you will see aircraft from different manufacturers having the same construction number. Then there are also line numbers, which is the number of the aircraft to come down the production line. So for instance, there is both a 747 and a 737 out there which were line number 1000. I hope this clarifies it for you,

V/F



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User currently offlineD5DBY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

yeah it does, thanks VF.

so in theory 2 different AC could have the same CN number AND the same line number?


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4655 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 12):
so in theory 2 different AC could have the same CN number AND the same line number?

With the CN, yes, but they would be from different manufacturers.

Line numbers would correspond with each different aircraft type - you would have 737s, A320s, MD80s - all of them, as they all begin with line number 1 and continue until the last frame is built.

Trent.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

You could browse www.airfleets.net to look for some good candidates...


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User currently offlineD5DBY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 12):
With the CN, yes, but they would be from different manufacturers.

Line numbers would correspond with each different aircraft type - you would have 737s, A320s, MD80s - all of them, as they all begin with line number 1 and continue until the last frame is built.


i get it...cool.....but while where at it....if you visit the photo section of A.net...you could do a advanced search for a AC.

there is registration, CN ect ect....but there is a field for "aircraft code"...."what is a aircraft code"? is it the line number?....


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

You need a production book..there are two primary ones. The Boeing production book which is volume one and all the rest which is volume two. Its all there.
Every airliner built and its history.
safe



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User currently offlineGeoffthomas From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 20 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
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Thanks for the great feed back....really appreciated.
Best GT


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 8):
i have a question....how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)?? i thought the CN number was unique for every AC...

for example there are several AC that have the CN number 271. how is that possible?

Please list these "several AC that have the CN number 271".  confused 

No aircraft from the same manufacturer will have identical cn's, period.

RK


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Rob,

Now now...let's be a little more clearer  Smile

Cn 271:
A300/A310
A320
A330/340
eventually A380

Same manufacturer, same cn, can happen, but same cn, same type, never  Smile

Cheers!
JSD



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 18):
Rob,

Now now...let's be a little more clearer

Cn 271:
A300/A310
A320
A330/340
eventually A380

Same manufacturer, same cn, can happen, but same cn, same type, never

Cheers!
JSD

Ah yes! Gob open before brain in gear syndrome, I fear ...........  bigthumbsup 

You know what I meant though...  Wink

RK  spin 


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12271 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
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Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 9):
To my knowledge, this is the sole survivor of TE/NZ's DC-8 fleet.

That would be a good aircraft to have on display at AKL or at the Motat Transport Museum at Auckland, good history with NZ


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Why not try the Jet Airliner Production List.

Look for an long entry .

B707-321 MSN 17602/83,17605/98.
B707-351B MSN 18586/345
B720-048 MSN 18043/188

DC8-54F MSN 45663/189
DC8-55 MSN 45764/251
DC8-63 MSN 45924/392
DC8-63CF MSN 46106/490


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