Scallar From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
Yup, that word suits well.
Seriously though, how stupid can you get? Well, I suppose a £20k fine will make them think twice before pulling this kind of stunt again.
Airconti From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
thats what the operational flight Info says:
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * BA2263 -3 MO 05DEC
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)
LGW ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 1200
LEFT THE GATE 1200
TOOK OFF 1225
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1657 KIN
BDA DIV KIN BDA
COMMERCIAL PUBLICITY / PASSENGER CONVENIENCE
PASSENGERS ON BOARD (267)
ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 1650
AIRCRAFT LANDED 1551
ARRIVED 1555
LEFT THE GATE 1650
TOOK OFF 1700
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1846 KIN
KIN AIRCRAFT LANDED 1840
ARRIVED 1844
S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2762 times:
Well you can't say "Passenger Safety Issue", people might get worried it was a terrorist attack or something Then CNN, and the CBC would go crazy reporting a hijacking.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
While it was inappropriate for the crew to interupt them in the loo, it was absolutely inexcusable for the passengers to spit on people (without consent). That said, I see no reason at all for a diversion. The spitting couple had been restrained. Duct tape over their mounths would have prevented them from spitting.
Due to the poor judgement of both cabin crew and flight crew, this story disinclines me from flying BA.
There's nothing either significant or insignificant about the above phrase. It's a standard IATA phrase used to describe a delay or diversion, where the cause of the delay or diversion has had "something" do with a passenger, whether that be at the passenger's own request or fault, or that of the airline.
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2335 times:
I'm always curious -- how do you
1) get two people in the loo without anybody noticing
2) do it with so little room
3) does it carry any consequences vis-a-vis fines, trouble flying with the airline in the future, etc?
I guess it's easier to do on an empty flight, but still...
BDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
Quoting Airconti (Reply 8): Talking about standard IATA phrases, do you know any source, where to look them up?
Yip. Here's a
If you check Eurocontrol's latest delay analysis report (pdf) for September this year which is contained in the link below, then scroll down to pages 27 & 28, you'll find all the standard IATA delay codes there. You'll also find that Delay code 16 (RS) refers to "COMMERCIAL PUBLICITY/PASSENGER CONVENIENCE".
Some airlines use the numbers to allocate a delay code, while others will use the numerics. ie delay code 16 means exactly the same as delay code PS.
Additionally, some carriers may use up to 5 of their own or internal delay codes, but these can only be code numbers 00 - 05.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6): Due to the poor judgement of both cabin crew and flight crew
If you were not present and do not have the full facts, how can you state "poor judgement" of both cabin crew and flight crew. In all honesty, do you think that the Captain diverted simply because he and the cabin crew were spat upon? I am not saying that they did not over react, maybe they did. But equally bearing in mind a diversion would cost BA +£20,000, not to mention a delay for the flight and passengers and disruptions to their schedules, I think that there must have been a good reason for the diversion particularly as the Captain would have to justify his decision to BA Operations.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6): this story disinclines me from flying BA
Fly AF then. I think that on one of their flights last summer, two female passengers got involved in a bit of hanky panky with two male passengers - in the cabin and in full view of other passengers. Realistic IFE with a difference - 18R certificate though!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting BCAL (Reply 12): If you were not present and do not have the full facts, how can you state "poor judgement" of both cabin crew and flight crew. In all honesty, do you think that the Captain diverted simply because he and the cabin crew were spat upon? I am not saying that they did not over react, maybe they did. But equally bearing in mind a diversion would cost BA +£20,000, not to mention a delay for the flight and passengers and disruptions to their schedules, I think that there must have been a good reason for the diversion particularly as the Captain would have to justify his decision to BA Operations.
The passengers in question were hand-cuffed and restrained in their seats. Regardless of how nasty they may have been up to that point, they could have and should been handled by the police upon reaching their final destination. They were obviously not a threat to continued flight.
If it had cost the captain GBP20,000, then I don't believe there would have been a diversion. It's very easy to waste other people's time and money. The captain probably even got paid overtime.
Quoting BCAL (Reply 12): Fly AF then. I think that on one of their flights last summer, two female passengers got involved in a bit of hanky panky with two male passengers - in the cabin and in full view of other passengers.
Wouldn't have bothered me at all unless I were trying to sleep and they were being unusually loud about it. Anyway, it's certainly better to listen to than a screaming baby (which I've had on hundreds of flights) because one knows that the screams of passion will soon come to an end. I've heard a few babies scream for 10 hours without stopping.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13): The passengers in question were hand-cuffed and restrained in their seats. Regardless of how nasty they may have been up to that point, they could have and should been handled by the police upon reaching their final destination. They were obviously not a threat to continued flight.
As I said earlier, we do not know the full facts and the passengers might have jeopardised the safety of the aircraft and/or passengers. Granted it did not happen on this occasion, but a violent/disruptive passenger might head-butt the Captain knocking him unconscious. Better to get rid of the threat before it happens.
If I was on a flight, and some passengers became disruptive/violent making it necessary to put on restraints, I would certainly prefer a diversion to off-load them at the start of the flight where you could reach a nearby airport, rather than attempt an Atlantic crossing putting up with their reactions for another 5-7 hours with no nearby diversion.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13): Wouldn't have bothered me at all unless I were trying to sleep and they were being unusually loud about it. Anyway, it's certainly better to listen to than a screaming baby (which I've had on hundreds of flights) because one knows that the screams of passion will soon come to an end. I've heard a few babies scream for 10 hours without stopping.
Very true
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1767 times:
Quoting BCAL (Reply 14):
As I said earlier, we do not know the full facts and the passengers might have jeopardised the safety of the aircraft and/or passengers. Granted it did not happen on this occasion, but a violent/disruptive passenger might head-butt the Captain knocking him unconscious. Better to get rid of the threat before it happens.
I believe the normal procedure on most airlines is to restrain violent passengers in window seats at the rear of the plane. Sometimes large, strong male passengers who appear to be reliable are asked to voluntarily sit in the aisle seat. How a restrained passenger in a window seat could give a prudent captain a Glasgow kiss is beyond my imagination.
Quoting BCAL (Reply 14):
If I was on a flight, and some passengers became disruptive/violent making it necessary to put on restraints, I would certainly prefer a diversion to off-load them at the start of the flight where you could reach a nearby airport, rather than attempt an Atlantic crossing putting up with their reactions for another 5-7 hours with no nearby diversion.
I would prefer to proceed directly to my destination. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1621 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6): While it was inappropriate for the crew to interupt them in the loo, it was absolutely inexcusable for the passengers to spit on people (without consent). That said, I see no reason at all for a diversion. The spitting couple had been restrained. Duct tape over their mounths would have prevented them from spitting.
Due to the poor judgement of both cabin crew and flight crew, this story disinclines me from flying BA.
Ahhh, Zvezda....
You are such a weenie....Had I been the captain of that plane I would have decended to below pressure altitude and sent offending couple to swim the rest of the way....
Their behaviour was grossly inappropriate and the flight crew had every right to interrupt their "bonking"!!!!!!!!!!! Sick Sick Sick....
Scallar From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 16): £20,000 for an orgasm in the air...not bad
Yeah, well atleast they picked a large aircraft with lots of space to do it on. Imagine getting away with something like this in the back seat of a C152.
Wdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
The captain was a dumbass for coming out of the cockpit for an incident like that.
Perhaps the female had some substance in her mouth needing to be spat out?
I think it is more professional and appropriate to just slip a note under the door saying, "You've been caught" and then once they come out, go wow, that was a real quicky, kinda fast their fella dont ya think? and embarrass the two.
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