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The Official Qantas Orders Watch Thread  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

In the same vein as the thread for Singapore, I thought that we can centralize a lot of the discussions in this thread including posting the first word on the order on Wednesday.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4639 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Something that people have overlooked is this article - http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au.../0,5744,17506558%255E23349,00.html from The Australian newspaper today.

It's about the Jetstar going international, and right at the bottom it says -

"Mr Joyce said the airline would boost its domestic fleet with Airbus A320s or 321s from 2007 and it could easily reach 30 aircraft in the next five years.

It also had firm orders for 10 international aircraft as well as options for up to 20 others."

This leads me to believe that more A320s and perhaps A321s will be ordered for Jetstar, but the real clincher is the bottom part -

It has firm orders for 10 international aircraft and 10 options?! What? Does that mean that as part of the QF order, 10 + 20 of whatever aircraft type is ordered is for Jetstar, guaranteed?

I found it really surprising.

Trent.



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8060 times:

This is being dragged out so much.

Let's see them orders already.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Ok, it's Dec. 13th (already Dec. 14th). We're very close to the "largest order of the year."! Let the pre-decision speculation begin (again)!


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8579 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7849 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
Let the pre-decision speculation begin (again)!

I confidently predict that QF will abandon all longhaul routes having decided after 75 years that enough is enough . Instead they will be the (re-)launch order for REKKOF ordering 100 Rekkof/Fokker 100s (because it seemed like a good idea to order 100 of something called the 100) to give them unrivalled frequency on the SYD-MEL sector with shuttle flights departing at 5 minute intervals in both directions.  Wink



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I confidently predict that QF will abandon all longhaul routes having decided after 75 years that enough is enough . Instead they will be the (re-)launch order for REKKOF ordering 100 Rekkof/Fokker 100s (because it seemed like a good idea to order 100 of something called the 100) to give them unrivalled frequency on the SYD-MEL sector with shuttle flights departing at 5 minute intervals in both directions.

HAHAHAHAHA Good one, You wouldnt know with Qantas.....

I wish they would just tell us what they have ordered  

[Edited 2005-12-13 17:18:25]


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4639 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

Well, it's 7am Wednesday, Sydney time... which means they'll be meeting in a couple of hours. We'll probably hear something in about 12-14 hours from now.

Trent.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Does anyone know the timing for the official announcement?


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
It has firm orders for 10 international aircraft and 10 options?! What? Does that mean that as part of the QF order, 10 + 20 of whatever aircraft type is ordered is for Jetstar, guaranteed?

& they'll start early 2007. So no 787's or A350's. Perhaps 767-400ER's, they can do 10 hour flights.  expressionless 


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4639 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
& they'll start early 2007. So no 787's or A350's. Perhaps 767-400ER's, they can do 10 hour flights.

I reckon the QF 330-200s will go to JQ, and perhaps they'll have A350s ordered for them with 330s to tide them over until first deliveries.

I'm still betting on 787s for QF though.

Trent.



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User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7520 times:

What happens if the decision is too close to call, and Qantas delay the decision further?

I, for one, would go nuts.... hissyfit 

Seriously, I still expect 772LR to be ordered. Everything else is too close to call.....

I also expect the meeting today to be either very short or very long.... either you have an announcement by lunch time/early afternoon or drag out to the late evening or tomorrow morning. Why? I compare this event to the American Superbowl or the Soccer World Cup.... when the stake is so high, the match is usually a blow out or decided in the last minute..... hope my analogy makes any sense.  smile 



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7372 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
I reckon the QF 330-200s will go to JQ


And Qantas stops flying them. That is a serious capasity reduction in a booming market, I say.

 boggled 


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7349 times:

If you look at the short term for JQ, what planes have been parked that would take care of JQ until the 787/350s could be delivered? Any chance of getting something parked by UA? Does BA have more 767s (or even 757s) that they would lease out?

For me (and I'm just a pax) I can't see QF investing heavily (buying) for short term solutions when the money needs to be held for the big investments in the future - for both QF and JQ.

If short term solutions are available then the potential order becomes more interesting in terms of the 350 or the 787.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7305 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
If you look at the short term for JQ, what planes have been parked that would take care of JQ until the 787/350s could be delivered?

Maybe move the old Boeings to the JQ leisure fleet & get some spanking new A330-300´s for QF? More seats then a 787-9 & available.


User currently offlineJEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7291 times:

Quoting UALMMFlyer (Reply 10):
I, for one, would go nuts....

Along with countless, undoubtedly stressed out, hardworking sales execs on both sides! As much as it puts us on the edge, can you imagine actually working and re-working this at the 11th hour?! Nerve-racking! I hope when this is over both sides can enjoy a well earned Christmas holiday.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7291 times:

how many A330s are available on the used market?

User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7272 times:

If Qantas doesn't order tomorrow, both Boeing and Airbus should get together and tell Qantas to either take their deals as they stand or to go f*ck themselves

Edit: I do know this would never happen, but it would make an interesting turn of events......just think about it John and Randy standing next to eachother at a press release and then standing up and flipping off the Qantas board of directors and walking out of the room. That would be funny

[Edited 2005-12-13 20:18:34]

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12618 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
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Quoting NorCal (Reply 15):
how many A330s are available on the used market?

Scientifically, I think it would be described as "a number approaching zero."



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

I don't think there are any twin widebodies out there to lease or buy unless a carrier goes belly up. There's been a huge demand for these planes to open up new international routes.


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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

I'm ready to b****slap QF's mgmt. They were supposed to announce this on my birthday.

They're taking way too long to make a decision.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Scientifically, I think it would be described as "a number approaching zero."

If that is the case then how many could Airbus deliver them in time for the 2007 launch of Jetstar?

Could QF get used 767s (there has got to be a ton of those in the desert) and then transfer the A330s to Jetstar as an interm solution until the A350? Maybe sub some 772's for the A333s? I just think it is a waste to order a bunch of A330s and then phase them out of service when the A350 comes along.

I think this will be a split order, not sure who will get the "lion's share." Will be a race to the wire since both companies have good products to offer


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12618 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6971 times:
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Quoting NorCal (Reply 20):
If that is the case then how many could Airbus deliver them in time for the 2007 launch of Jetstar?

I would be surprised if Airbus couldn't deliver new-build A330s in 2007 - either directly from production or via a leasing company.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Its just gone 8:00 am here. If there is no announcement within 2 hours, ie before 10:00am (which is very, very, very unlikley) then the earliest it could be is 4:30pm, more likley 5:00pm. So sorry guys its at least 9 hours away and maybe 26 hours away.

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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
Its just gone 8:00 am here. If there is no announcement within 2 hours, ie before 10:00am (which is very, very, very unlikley) then the earliest it could be is 4:30pm, more likley 5:00pm. So sorry guys its at least 9 hours away and maybe 26 hours away.

Geoff Dixon has been quoted many times in the last week as saying they hope to finalise the fleet plans at today's extraordinary board meeting with possible public announcement on Thursday. So, I won't be holding my breath for an announcement today.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 23):
Geoff Dixon has been quoted many times in the last week as saying they hope to finalise the fleet plans at today's extraordinary board meeting with possible public announcement on Thursday. So, I won't be holding my breath for an announcement today.

Hopefully it'll leak out before Thursday, QFA001, where are you?  psst   nosy   mischievous   gnasher   footinmouth 



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25 PanAm_DC10 : How about moi? Not to detract from QFA001 By Vesna Poljak Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's biggest airline, will today announce
26 Corey07850 : So 1400 Sydney time is 2200 US East Coast time?
27 Post contains images Stitch : My pure speculation based on what I would do as an armchair CEO with no experience and absolutely no data on QF or JQ. If QF chooses the 772LR for ULR
28 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : Qantas: 777-300ER/777-200LR/A350-800/787-3 JetStar: A330-300/A350-900
29 Bill142 : Current Sydney time is 12:15. 1:45 minutes till the breifing where an order might be announced.
30 QF744 : I'm not sure JQ will order the A350. They will need planes in 2006/2007 and not 2010 at this stage. Who knows, it might fail. My tip: JQ - 10x A333 QF
31 NorCal : what about the 772ER for JQ?
32 HZ747300 : 12:46pm in Sydney, do you know where Geoff Dixon is?
33 Iloveboeing : Oh please don't do that again! We've all waited long-enough! I really think they'll go Boeing.......The 777s are superior to the A340s in economics a
34 Stitch : I guess it depends on what size of plane JQ needs right now. If they can use a "small" widebody, then an A330 moving into an A350 could work. If they
35 QF744 : Remembering all JQ pilots and cabin crew will be airbus trained, I think JQ will take A330s. QF almost cerainly all-Boeing. I'll post the press releas
36 DLKAPA : What time is it in Sydney now?
37 Post contains links and images QFA001 : I believe that this Orders scoop is accurate: Click Here QFA001
38 Post contains images Stitch : And for those of us who are not members of the group... any hints?
39 UALMMFlyer : I think the A330 will be an excellent choice for JQ considering neither the 787 or A350 will be available based on the timing of JQ's international ro
40 HZ747300 : From Dow Jones > DJ MARKET TALK: Boeing's Dreamliner May Be Airbus Nightmare 1323 [Dow Jones] Boeing's (BA) 787 Dreamliner may have won Qantas (QAN.AU
41 FriendlySkies : How do you join the orders group? I know somebody else told me that on the orders group, Leahy wasn't attending the conference....
42 Korg747 : Yes that's what it says.
43 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Join the group Regards, PanAm_DC10
44 AirFrnt : My guess is that this order will go Boeing simply because part of the spec was a hub buster. That only leaves the 772LR.
46 Post contains images Stitch : I would, but I have a feeling I will find out here before I am approved.
47 Post contains images Nirvarma : I've just signed up...waiting approval.... NV
48 Cruiser : What about the next order? And the next order after that? Many orders are discussed there, and is always a great read if you are interested in that s
49 Ikramerica : I agree. I have thought for a while that JQ will get 330s, not 350s, including taking over 330s from QF. 350s have more range than JQ need, and the 3
50 QF744 : Six minutes to go... still no inside word?? QF744
51 NYC777 : sounds like Boeing's got the majrity if Leahy is not going to be at the news conference announcing the decision. I wonder if Boeing walked away with 1
52 Atnight : I was just about to say that! I'm so amazed at no one been able to give any real inside information.... but it seems this is a Boeing done deal, alth
53 Nirvarma : Has anyone actually read the orders forum that QFA001 suggested? If someone has, what does it suggest? NV
54 Stitch : This may very well be an "all or nothing" order just due to the discounts QF and JQ have probably been able to extract (make up on volume, instead of
55 Pbottenb : OK 2pm....drumroll please........
56 Post contains images Atmx2000 : I think these watch threads are like vigils. Maybe we should call it Qantas Eve. Did anyone leave cookies for
57 FlyAA757 : All 787 -- up to 115 frames -- official!!!
58 Post contains images Nirvarma : WOW 115 frames!!!!! NV
59 NYC777 : Any word on the 777?
60 AeroPiggot : No way!!, where is your source???
61 C680 : That's VERY impressive - details please? Source?
62 QF744 : ALL 787? Cracking jokes?
63 Ikramerica : So QF is sending their 332s to jetstar until the 787s show up, then the 330s are leaving the QF fleet! They must really hate the 332s economics consid
64 Post contains links Blsbls99 : http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20051214/pdf/3tqzk5hk8t55s.pdf
65 RichardJF : The 115 will mean they've set the price on 115. Like NZ set the price on 52 777 & 787. Doesn't mean much in terms of firm orders. Still good move by Q
66 TPASXM787 : wow amazing i bet the boeing people are cracking open the bubbly tonight
67 Post contains images Starrion : Right! Now, when is that SQ decision due?
68 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : Congrats to QF on Boeing. 65 firm 787, and 50 options... http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/051213/airlines_australia_qantas.html?.v=2 So engine selection (per
69 PanAm_DC10 : With respect I'm not sure where you get that idea from..... 1 - Largest single order for the 787 to date, 65 firm. 2 - Largest single model firm wide
70 AirFrnt : QF explicitly states that they are planning on excercising the options to about 100.
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