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MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=164405

[Edited 2005-12-09 18:08:05]

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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

This looks like a very good idea, but I feel the cost would not meet demand. I mean it must be alot to implement this, but how often would it be used? Just my opinion, anybody have any more information on this runway?


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
anybody have any more information on this runway?

Check out: http://www.esco-usa.com/com/instal.html

In a nutshell, this stuff is solid, but it can't support the weight of an aircraft. Think blackboard chalk instead of concrete, and I think you get the general idea...


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11352 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

This stuff isn't new, I thought. I also thought this was being installed at airports all over the place, and I'm a little surprised that MDW didn't have it.

Does anyone else have this technology installed?



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

OPNLguy thanks for the link it is very informative.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
OPNLguy thanks for the link it is very informative.

Any time.

The 727 in the video was a FAA bird, and I they first tested the stuff at NAFEC (ACY) back in the 1980s.

Neat stuff. You'll notice that both BUR and LIT have installations now.


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
This looks like a very good idea, but I feel the cost would not meet demand. I mean it must be alot to implement this, but how often would it be used? Just my opinion, anybody have any more information on this runway?

Just ask the pilots of the Eagle Saab 340, Gemini MD-11 and Polar Air 747 that overran at JFK (4R) if it was worth the cost  Wink

Mike


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
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Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 6):
Just ask the pilots of the Eagle Saab 340

LOL, I guess 8,400 feet wasn't enough?!?!



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

A number of airports, including JFK for example, have these 'arresting concrete' runway installations. They may become more common in the future due a USA bill recently signed by the President (in part sponsored by Sen. Lautenberg D-NJ) requiring these systems and 1,000 ft (~325m) spacing from the end of a runway. Sen. Lautenberg's idea was inspired by the Feb. 2, 2005 TEB and other incidents where aircraft went beyond an airports borders and into roads, buildings and so on. The arresting concrete systems could become more common as an alternative where there is no practical way to get that 1,000 ft. runnoff area. Now, if that would have worked at MDW or at a similar location during bad weather or on a small RJ, then that is another problem.

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

MSP currently has a Engineered Materials Arresting System (ERAS) at the end of Runway 30L (the southeast end). This would prevent aircraft from running off the end of runway and onto busy Highway 5. In 2007, the airport is planning on installing a similar system to the end of Runway 30R, which would also protect Highway 5 from an overrun.

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User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 9):
MSP currently has a Engineered Materials Arresting System (ERAS) at the end of Runway 30L (the southeast end).



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):

Check out: http://www.esco-usa.com/com/instal.html

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Would hate to land short on that stuff.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

not to bitch about the system, wich is great, but about the reporter. She said that:
-airplanes cannot veer off the runway anymore (or very close to that)
-it won't happen at MSP because they have EMAS (they only have it on 1 side of 1 runway, what about the rest)



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

If an aircraft went off the end of runways 12L or 12R, it would not just crash onto Highway 5, but it would plummet down a steep 100 foot embankment into the Minnesota River.



Mark


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 12):
it won't happen at MSP because they have EMAS (they only have it on 1 side of 1 runway, what about the rest)

All runways at MSP now meet FAA runway safety standards. Runway 30R on the northside didnt meet the standards until this year when the airport moved the landing threshold 200 feet to the west. My understanding, however, is the airport has the EMAS planned for Rwy 30R in case the shortened landing distance affects airport operations too much.

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 14):

All runways at MSP now meet FAA runway safety standards. Runway 30R on the northside didnt meet the standards until this year when the airport moved the landing threshold 200 feet to the west. My understanding, however, is the airport has the EMAS planned for Rwy 30R in case the shortened landing distance affects airport operations too much.

fair enough, I believe MSP is safe, but it isn't what the reporter said.



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Even Better Video And Better Report

Courtesy: KARE-TV

http://www.kare11.com/player.aspx?aid=21400&bw=


User currently offlineAA54Heavy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

A random thought, but if an aircraft was approaching the runway and for some reason landed short of the start of the runway onto this special concrete area, all the landing gear would probably shear off and perhaps cause a major disaster....not probably, but just a thought


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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
but I feel the cost would not meet demand

Cost doesn't outway loss of life....

LCY and SEN are 2 UK airports that have it. (both ends)

If these 2 regionals can have it....so can many others.


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