Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1045 times:
It seems like that if the merger were to go through, USAirways' fleet of 7 A330-300s would fit perfectly on Hawaii runs. I went through the planning and have came to the conclusion that they could fly almost all (if not all) current jumbo flights to Hawaii with the 7 A330s, except for HNL-ORD-HNL. This would free up 767s and 777s while allowing the retirement of the 747-200s. Seems like a good plan to me...
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 967 times:
It would work, but it would be extremely costly to keep only between 7 and 10 aircraft of one type which have little to no commonality with the rest of UA's fleet.
The other bad part is that if the deal goes through, the A330's will be the first to leave.
Ezra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 456 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 954 times:
As far as I know, Hawaii flying at every airline is but a necessary evil -- it's a low-yeild leisure market where most pax redeem FF miles. I wouldn't think it in the best interest of the lines to deploy fancy new aircraft on such a gonzo route.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 952 times:
I remember when UA accquiered Pan Am's Pacific division they recevied about 10 L-1011-500's, which they kept in service for about two years. but undoubtably should the UA/US deal go through it would be likely that they would be sold back to Airbus in exchange for more A32X's. As for the Hawaii market, United has been flying there since the late 40's and has the most service from the mainland to Hawaii... obviously for them it is making enough money to fly from 3 gateways to 4 Hawaiian cities. Plus I don't think you can fill up a 747 or a DC-10 with nothing but people who have 40 or 50,000 FF miles to kill.
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Ezra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 456 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 905 times:
You are correct that an entire 747 or DC-10 could hardly be filled with FF miles alone, but it sure isn't filled with full-fare pax either. There is hardly any lucrative business traffic on these routes that primarily serve the low-yield leisure market. That is why (I believe) most lines don't use newer aircraft on Hawaii flying if at all possible.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7694 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 883 times:
If the United/US Airways mergers go through, expect the A330-300's to be exchanged back to Airbus in lieu of more A319's and A320's. This means that United will fly the 777-200 from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Charlotte to Europe in place of the A330-300.
Anyway, from SFO United flies mostly 747-200's and DC-10-10's on their SFO to Hawaii flights. But as these planes are phased out over the next decade, I expect United to fly the 777-200 more often to Hawaii, especially since I expect eventually that United may sport 100 or more 777's in their fleet.
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