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N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors  
User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

On the employee website they have a picture of a "naked" 320 that will be N679AW and be the first America West plane in US airways colors. It is supposed to go into the paint shop this week. Does anybody know when it will be done? Will it go to PHX first so I can get a good pic of it?

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User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

Wow. And so it truly begins. I've flown HP a few times, always between CMH and LAS, all but one when they had a hub here. I always had a great trip.


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3268 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

It is scheduled to ferry from Roswell to PHX on Wed 12/14 and will likely be put into service the next day.


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Will the interior be the same as HP or will it have a US interior?

User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 3):
Will the interior be the same as HP or will it have a US interior?

Great question...


User currently offlineMGB80 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

It's going to look exactly like this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=949760

[Edited 2005-12-11 02:52:47]

[Edited 2005-12-11 02:53:25]

User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting MGB80 (Reply 5):
It's going to look exactly like this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...49760

Not Exactly... The HP A320's have IAE engines. This leads me to a question I've asked here for a while with no response. What engines will newly delivered HP/US A32X's be delivered with, IAE or CFM?

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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Is there any functional difference between the IAE and CFM engines? As in, will the pilots know or care that they are flying one or the other?

Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 6):
This leads me to a question I've asked here for a while with no response. What engines will newly delivered HP/US A32X's be delivered with, IAE or CFM?

I've answered the question a few times now.

The birds to be delivered to HP this year and next will have IAE engines.

All the future A32X deliveries (from 2009 on), from both the original HP and US orders, will have CFM engines.



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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
I've answered the question a few times now.

The birds to be delivered to HP this year and next will have IAE engines.

All the future A32X deliveries (from 2009 on), from both the original HP and US orders, will have CFM engines.

Thank you very much. Got that question off my mind.

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?

CFM engines

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Photo © Paul Leach




IAE engines

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Photo © Josh Akbar - NYCAviation




if I am not mistaken.



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

I suppose this is the first of big changes to come in PHX. Let's see those 757s and A321s!

User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?

if you look at the pics captaink put up. Look at the engines. In the back of them there is a big difference. And the trust reverses are different too. Just need to look and you will see the difference. It would be like looking at the AA/TWA 757's. They kind of look like the different ones you see there. Hope that helps.



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User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

That livery is SOOOO ugly...

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 13):
That livery is SOOOO ugly...

Yeah gotta be the worse in the US.

Please.. it is not that bad you know it.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6891 times:
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So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?


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User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 13):
That livery is SOOOO ugly...

I actually think it's one of the better looking liveries flying.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

If ATC is looking for the plane they'll be able to pull the colors off of the IFR flight plan. Blue and red on white?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6815 times:

So which has more power, and which is more fuel efficient? IAE or CFM?

User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6795 times:

When are the retro (America West, Piedmont, PSA) livery specials coming out?


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6015 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

It will most likely have the words "USAirways" on the top, and have the words "Operated by America West Airlines" somewhere in plain view on the aircraft, as required per the regs.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6704 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

Probably not much different than having three different carriers with three different callsigns flying around in US Airways Express CRJ-200s that look exactly alike. Ditto for the three ERJ-145 operators, and so on.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
It will most likely have the words "USAirways" on the top, and have the words "Operated by America West Airlines" somewhere in plain view on the aircraft, as required per the regs.

Yes, it will say that, but in tiny letters near the door, not helpful to anyone viewing the aircraft from afar. Starting January 4, they hope to be using the America West name as little as possible.



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User currently offlineMGB80 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 17):
So which has more power, and which is more fuel efficient? IAE or CFM?

depends on the dash model of each engine. Both put out relatively the same amount of thrust 25,000 pounds. IAE claims better fuel efficiency but not by much.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Will America West be branded on the aircraft, or will it say US Airways?


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

When do they plan (or do they plan to) integrate the certs to be one US Airways?
-Mr. X



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
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Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

There was the same issue when SWISSAIR and CROSSAIR merged to form Swiss International Airlines. They had the SWISS name and the old CROSSAIR abbreviation (LX). I don't know about the callsign. There were aircraft in the Swissair livery, all three Crossair liveries, and the new Swiss livery, so you can imagine it must have been a bit confusing. But it all worked out in the end as I'm sure this will.

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25 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : Functionally, not a very noticeable difference. Due to a small weight and fuel burn difference, different range charts are required. v2500, TSFC at c
26 Gigneil : Modern IAE and CFM engines for the A320 put out 27,000 pounds and for the other A320 series planes between 21,000 and 33,000. N
27 PHLapproach : No, generally if an aircraft is running in abnormal colors under a different callsign they will call up clearance/ground and let them know. Like when
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