Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 901 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1565 times:
I am travelling on Sat 17th dec BHX-SSH and the flight number is EUK but I am aware the airline will be Air Malta. Anyone advise meals/IFE detail It would be good info......The craft is at BHX? or does it fly in and the operate for the weekend traffic and then go home?If so I supose it will be a fresh crew as to do SSH from BHX is at the outer stretch of the hours Thanks in advance.
Sorry you over the pond but this is a local request!!
Egmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1545 times:
Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter): am traveling on Sat 17th dec BHX-SSH and the flight number is EUK but I am aware the airline will be Air Malta. Anyone advise meals/IFE detail It would be good info......The craft is at BHX? or does it fly in and the operate for the weekend traffic and then go home?If so I suppose it will be a fresh crew as to do SSH from BHX is at the outer stretch of the hours Thanks in advance.
EUK is the code for Air Atlanta Europe so you could be flying on a 747 enjoy your trip.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
It isn't a subcontract for Air Atlanta Europe. The flight is an Air Malta operation that uses the EUK code for licensing reasons.
As a non-UK, non-Egyptian airline Air Malta are not permitted to operate direct service between the UK and Egypt, if they wanted to fly the route under their own licenses Air Malta would have to schedule a stop in Malta in both directions.
By wet-leasing the aircraft to Air Atlanta Europe for their UK-SSH flights, the service can be flown by Air Malta under Air Atlanta Europe's UK route authority.
Air Malta have aircraft based in both BHX and BRS this winter operating short-haul charters, but the SSH flights use the EUK code for the reasons I've just mentioned.
Not all Air Malta's UK-based A320s have IFE, so come prepared with plenty to entertain yourself...
The crew will operate out and back, it is feasible in a single flight duty period.
Quoting Horus (Reply 1): It will probably be the same crew doing the inbound and outbound flights. All UK charter carriers have dispensation from the CAA to operate UK-Egypt-UK flights with one crew.
You don't actually require any special dispensation from the CAA, in virtually all cases UK-SSH-UK flights can be operated within a normal max FDP.
At First Choice Airways a level 2 variation was applied to early SSH flights, but this was discontinued some time ago and I can't recall the last time a LXR/SSH/TCP flight went into discretion.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 901 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Having taken some time to look at Freedom Flights programme I can see what it is all about.KM operate KM flight numbers through the week and then becomes a subcharter to EUK for Sharm on sat and Sun.. the ways of licensing are very mysteious but understandable. I have several good books and will be bringing some Fresh Fruit salad for my tea as I suspect there will be only one meal service. Warm scones and cream would be nice but not an option
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1384 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6): At least a meal is included on the longish BHX-SSH service with AirAtlanta/air malta, our tour operator airlines would charge you for a meal even on this 5 hour flight.
Funny, because when I go to the Freedom Flights or Excel website to book this flight, the meal is a charged extra. When will you get the grasp it is the tour operator and not the airline that decide on whether you get a meal or not?
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 7): When will you get the grasp it is the tour operator and not the airline that decide on whether you get a meal or not?
When Thomsonfly serve Orlando daily from LBA (not DSA) in a 3 class 757, (cos tha s20s are a tad too small) with galley facilites, complimentary on board catering, free onboard bar (Orion doesnt pay!), fully functional toilets, and discounts for senior citizens. And of course the crew must have nice bums and have a complete understanding of charter airlines of yesteryear, and total grasp of the unbound inclusive tour market.
And not a second before!
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.