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China Airlines - New Pax Service ANC-TPE?  
User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4005 times:

I just noticed CI 007 from LAX-TPE stops in ANC between 15 Dec and 15 Feb, and takes local traffic from ANC-TPE. But the return flight TPE-LAX goes non-stop (no stop in ANC)

Does this have to do with "truth-in-advertising" because the 744 can't always make it non-stop from LAX-TPE? If you look at CX, they can not always do LAX-HKG non-stop during the winter and even SFO-HKG has to occasionally make tech stops.

If the headwinds are not too heavy, will CI 007 skip the tech stop in ANC?

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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3992 times:

CI has had regular pax service to Anchorage for years and years, routing JFK-ANC-TPE and return, flights CI 11 and CI 12. It alternates between a 744 and a 343. Obviously no local traffic rights on ANC-JFK, but they seem to do fairly well on the ANC-TPE sector, especially since KE pulled year-round ANC-ICN service, making it a summer-only flight on a 332. While we're on the topic of ANC-Asia service, there is a steady stream of JL charters between ANC-NRT in the summer months.

I'm not sure why the LAX-TPE flight stops in ANC. It comes and goes, varying on the time of year. I suspect it's a tech stop on the westbound sector where they fly against the jetstream.

There was a fairly well publicized incident a few years ago where a CI 343 took off from a taxiway at ANC, skimming a snow bank as it rotated.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting Bkkair (Thread starter):
If the headwinds are not too heavy, will CI 007 skip the tech stop in ANC?

Forgot to answer this...yes, I believe they will skip it if possible. Which is why I'm not sure if they sell ANC-TPE seats on this particular flight.



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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Well CI 7 has always made scheduled stop at Anchorage for the winter peak travel seasons for the past two years. The theory is that many of its connecting passengers to Southeast and South Asians always carry excess baggage, and due to headwinds in the winter, CI will either carry those bags or restrict the load (in the past, even some CI flights has to stop at Okinawa for fuel). I guess CI chooses to carry more bags, as they generate more revenues. Therefore during the winter peak months, only the daytime flight will go nonstop and the evening flight will go via Anchorage on the return to TPE. Also no additional catering from ANC... unlike JFK flights.

My aunt flew one of this ANC stopped flights from LAX. She was a bit upset, but unlike the JFK-ANC-TPE flight, CI will not pick up extra passengers, but there is a crew change. I believe they stay in the plane.

For JFK-ANC-TPE, you are actually required to leave the plane, and there is new catering and crew change as well. ANC was quite interesting back then -- pretty busy with the CX, KE, and various OZ flights especially 2 or 3 in the morning. Now I guess it is only down to CI and CX (in which pax has to stay on board for the return YYZ-ANC-HKG).

Carfield


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

I'm actually in the North Terminal right now, and both of the flights are inbound in an hour or so. I'll check it out and let you know.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

I just checked the MUFIDS, and the LAX-ANC-TPE flight got diverted.....I don't know to where or why.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

According to flightarrivals.com, China Airlines #7 hasn't even left LAX.

User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

according to China Airlines' website, the flight went nonstop from LAX to TPE. The flight took off from LAX around 11:30pm and will arrive TPE around 6:35am...

I guess the flight will go nonstop if possible, or the load is really light.

Carfield


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting Carfield (Reply 3):
CX (in which pax has to stay on board for the return YYZ-ANC-HKG).

Given that CX has Fifth Freedoms on US-Canada flights, do they sell seats on YYZ-ANC-YYZ?



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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

No CX does not sell seats on ANC-YYZ routes (or ANC-HKG as well) -- only HKG-YYZ. Indeed the arrangement in the present is that no passenger will deplane. They just stay on the flight, while there is a crew change. Refuel will take place and some more ice will be loaded (no additional catering of any sort, which make the food on this flight very poor).

Carfield


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but could CX choose to sell seats from ANC-HKG or ANC-YYZ? Seems like it would be a good way to fill up any empty seats in either direction, especially with the constant trickle of passengers travelling from ANC to Asia and the fact that they are stopping in Anchorage anyway. I imagine there's a reason, I'm just curious as to what it is.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4769 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3534 times:
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Quoting Chugach (Reply 10):
I imagine there's a reason, I'm just curious as to what it is.

yes. its called the US govt not letting them!


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):
yes. its called the US govt not letting them!

No it's not. The airline chooses to make it a technical stop, ever since 9/11. Our Marketing Director, Linda Close, is working on changing that.


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3488 times:

Also, Cathay Pacific still has a ticket counter in the North Terminal. Whether Cathay Pacific still leases it, or they just haven't taken down the logo yet, I don't know. TSA uses it at present.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Correction - Cathay does not have ticket counter space. It is Asiana that has a counter that never gets used, except by the TSA. My mistake.

I am not sure whether they ever exercised 5th Freedom between Anchorage and Toronto. I know that Vancouver was used as a tech stop immediately after 9/11, but was negotiated back to Anchorage. As I said earlier, our Marketing Director is working on getting more.


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 12):
Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):
yes. its called the US govt not letting them!

No it's not. The airline chooses to make it a technical stop, ever since 9/11. Our Marketing Director, Linda Close, is working on changing that.

If CX exercised 5th freedom, will the flight take much longer? In this case, all passengers (even those traveling YYZ-HKG) will have to have US visas or be nationals that don't require visas to enter US, all of them will have to deplane, the very reason RG is pulling out of NRT services.

It's not the same with CX's HKG-YVR-JFK that JFK-HKG passengers don't need to be involved with Canadian imm/customs.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 14):
Correction - Cathay does not have ticket counter space. It is Asiana that has a counter that never gets used, except by the TSA. My mistake.

Did Asiana quit doing the tech stop in Anchorage? I haven't seen them around for a while. Or I'm going blind. One or the other!



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 16):

You know, I'm not sure, either. I used to see a pax Asiana 747-400 between 5am and 10am when I worked for UPS, but now that I have a different shift working for the airport, I don't see them anymore.

As I said before, they still do have a ticket counter that is blocked by TSA's baggage inspection area, as well as both Cathay Pacific and Asiana having leased boarding gate space...why, I don't know, but I will ask.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3284 times:

Well OZ JFK-ANC-ICN flights has changed to nonstop JFK-ICN a month ago, so OZ is no longer flying to ANC passenger wise.

I am not sure about the present arrangement on the YYZ flights because they have changed numerous times. At one point (after 911 immediately), all passengers had to go through a quick passport check at ANC in and outbound, but then CX changes it to a technical stop and no passenger is allowed to deplane since last year. However, I am somewhat sure that at present, you don't need a US transit visa on this flight.

But if they are picking up pax at ANC, all folks may need the transit visas, unless they can work out some arrangements. I think CX can pick up a healthy load of pax in the summer for the cruise season. Then CX will no longer have an excuse not to reintroduce catering at ANC and provides the much needed proper third meal service on this flight. I don't know how CX manages to get by with only two main meals and one snack service on this 17-20 hours flight.

Carfield


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