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AA Pulls DFW-LIM  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

This announcement was buried in a different thread discussing today's DAL schedule. I don't see how the removal of this flight has anything to do with the build-up at Love.

I am a bit surprised this flight is being suspended. It's my understanding the passenger and cargo loads are decent. Does anybody have any insight? Is this seasonal?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32576 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Dallas-Lima is a horrendous performer for AA. Has been for a while now, and its sole purpose is to relieve MIA-LIM of low yielding passengers. Even Miami-Lima is only a so-so performer during the off season.

How this can be attributed to the DAL move is simple: AA needs S80s for DAL from somewhere, and then needs to replace those S80 flights with 757s from somwhere, and that somwhere just happens to be DFW-LIM, which is a poor performing route that uses a 757 that could otherwise be better utilized domesticlly. Now, is AA stretching it by implying that cutting Dallas-Lima is entirely due to the fact of Love Field service? Yes, indeed they are. However, at the same time, it is most likely a contributing factor in some form.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

AA B737-800 don't have the range for LIM-DFW?
Could AA code-share a DFW-SAL-LIM or DFW-SJO-LIM with TA?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):

AA B737-800 don't have the range for LIM-DFW?

The route is over 2900nm. They have no chance, particularly without winglets.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5144 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

This should bode well for COs IAH-LIM flight.


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17285 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
However, at the same time, it is most likely a contributing factor in some form.

Well, so is Toledo's low approval ratings in Peru... AA is really hitting bottom with this nonsense. I'm really disappointed because I respected AA a lot more before this whole charade.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
The route is over 2900nm. They have no chance, particularly without winglets.

CM flies EZE-PTY with B737-800 winglets; however they quite often try to restrict the take-off weight @ EZE.
I belive the B737-800 in AA configuration takes less passengers than CM's so probably it really could barely make it LIM-DFW. If it's true, it's up to AA to study if DFW-LIM-DFW with B737-800 wouldn't be a money looser.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Cut along with Lima, Peru....

Green Bay WI
Rochester MN
Long Beach CA
Providence RI
Toledo OH

According to the press release...so it can compete with Southwest Airlines at Love Field.
Dallas Morning News



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4271 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

AA has needed to cut some of their underperforming routes for a while now. They most likely would have cut the flights sooner, but the addition of Missouri to the Wright-exempt states allowed them to make an excuse as to why the routes were being cut and shift blame. Common tactic that some people will believe and some people will see right through.

Texan



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3900 times:

The elimination of the 4 daily DFW-LGB flights means that AA will no longer have any service at all to Long Beach. You just know JetBlue will grab those slots if they can, unless AA uses them for something like ORD-LGB.

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
Could AA code-share a DFW-SAL-LIM or DFW-SJO-LIM with TA?

NO

Because they are eliminating TACA as a code share partner starting late this month or early next year.

Drew



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
CM flies EZE-PTY with B737-800 winglets

Are you sure? I thought CM operated all of its routes to deep South America [GRU, EZE and SCL] with 73Gs, which do have the legs to do it without any hassle, unlike the 738s.

The 738s are used in shorter, yet higher-density markets such as MEX, BOG and HAV among others.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

BTW LIM-MIA on AA has a BA code, so you could do LIM-MIA-LHR-MAD-LIM all on a BA code but flying AA,BA and IB.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32576 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
If it's true, it's up to AA to study if DFW-LIM-DFW with B737-800 wouldn't be a money looser.

It would lose money. The minimal revenue DFW-LIM pulls in is through cargo.



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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

So, pulling DFW-LIM is freeing up a 757? Great! Why not add a badly-needed fourth MIA-SFO frequency?

MB


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32576 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 14):
Why not add a badly-needed fourth MIA-SFO frequency?

It is being planned for the summer with a 738.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24729 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

DFW-LIM indeed has been on the skids load wise..

In 2004 the route produced the following load factors.

Q1-66%
Q2-60%
Q3-76%
Q4-53%

The other DFW-Latin America route that is quite marginal loadwise is the Caracas service which is currently run on a 737-800. With continued political issues, I suppose we should not be to surprised if it were to get axed one day also. I would imagine CO would be carrying the Houston based Citgo traffic, so I dont know if there is enought oil traffic to keep supporting the route.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3994 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 8):
Common tactic that some people will believe and some people will see right through.

Just like in any other situation where corporations have strong interests. As one more example, many people can see through Southwest's refusal to serve DFW. Others can't.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Shame, 8 months ago, I would've been excited, thought this could be just the opportunity for US to start FLL-LIM. But right now, there's about a 0% chance that the new management will want anything to do with LIM of all markets. Oh well.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6696 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
AA needs S80s for DAL from somewhere

...and the S80's for DAL are coming from the (even larger) reductions in DFW-STL and DFW-MCI flying.

I'm sure that CO will be very happy to accommodate as many of the former AA DFW-LIM passengers as they can take.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Any chance on an increase of MIA-LIM capacity?

The evening MIA-LIM was recently reduced from an A300 to a 757.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32576 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 20):
Any chance on an increase of MIA-LIM capacity?

The evening MIA-LIM was recently reduced from an A300 to a 757.

No, not right now. The reduction was to improve yields, which had been sagging.



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

How does CO's IAH-LIM flight do overall. It's existed for a long time, but you don't really hear much about it.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Dallas-Lima is a horrendous performer for AA

Unless you work for AA in Sales or upper management, how in the world do you know? I never saw anything published by AA the breaks out individual route performance.

If you have, please share it with us.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24729 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 22):
How does CO's IAH-LIM flight do overall.

Dont know its financial performance, however here were CO's loads in 2004. Certainly better then AA's.

Q1-66%
Q2-68%
Q3-85%
Q4-75%



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
25 Wjcandee : Most likely the publicly-available stats from the DOT.
26 AA767400 : Mark is in the know. He knows the scoop on any issue related to AA, and MIA for that matter. Trust me, he knows his stuff.
27 LVTMB : Amen to that. If you regulalrly read/participate of this forum you should know that MAH4546/Mark is a very, very reliable source when it comes to AA,
28 CALMSP : the IAH-LIM flight has always been a great flight for us......not only good loads but the frt coming out of LIM is great as well.
29 Jetdeltamsy : Unless he has access to highly confidential, internal information, the guy is an armchair quarterback. This forum is packed full of people who claim
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