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QF Vs JetStar Vs Australian  
User currently offlineHAVIK747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Does anyone know how JetStar's proposed international expansion will effect Australian Airlines international services ... 3 QF invested international carriers ... a bit odd

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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

The whole Jetstar Intl expansion was a bit of a shock considering that Australian Airlines made a loss for the financial year while Jetstar was profitable. I thought that they would have merged Jetstar and Australian into the 1 entity as they both serve the same market, Leisure.

The other idea is that Jetstar will serve leisure destinations, while Australian Airlines will serve cities that Qantas can not operate profitably to, ex: KUL, ICN bla bla bla.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

The general idea is that QF realised that expanding Qantas with it's high cost structure was unrealistic especially in lower yielding tourist markets.
So they set up AO. However once they took over Impulse airlines a small Australian domestic carrier they realised it had even lower wages and conditions. So as a way of combating Virgin Blue they set up Jetstar off the Impulse base.
The intention now is to get the Qantas longhaul wages and conditions at the Jetstar International level.
It's likely that once the strategy has played out the Jetstar International brand will get phased out and they'll all be Qantas.


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

I good way to look at it is to view AO as like the 'QantasLink' of long haul. It is full service but flies to secondary destinations.

Jetstar is Jetstar - a true LCC.


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):
It's likely that once the strategy has played out the Jetstar International brand will get phased out and they'll all be Qantas.

I think AO will be phased out & AO staff will be offered jobs at Jetstar INT at lower wages.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

With the new purchases QF's going to be geared up. 1500 managers plenty of debt, high costs. $1bn annual profit mostly off domestic.

User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Simplicity -
AO pilots are on contract from QF.

The cabin crew EBA is very similar to what is proposed for JQ Int - should it involve Australian based employees. The AO Cabin Crew EBA II is completely bare bones. There is no guarantee that JQ Int will not be crewed by overseas based crew.

JQ domestic pilots have just refused the inital offer from Jetstar to operate International services. It is too low.

I have heard rumour that one plan may be to operate AO in QF colours with Y and Y+. Flights would be Qantas (operated by Australian). Either way Australian operates in a niche market. Their Japan flights are not suited to Jetstar's model.


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 6):
JQ domestic pilots have just refused the inital offer from Jetstar to operate International services. It is too low.

Yes so the pressure is on to reduce wages !!! Foreign crews for Jetstar Int. would surely be a definite, as I here some Thai crews (not necessarily TG) get 10% of what QF flight attendants get !!! Even putting them up for a night at a cheap 2 or 3 star hotel in Australia would still work out a lot cheaper than Australian crews.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 5):
With the new purchases QF's going to be geared up. 1500 managers plenty of debt, high costs. $1bn annual profit mostly off domestic.

Put a sock in it!

Quote from:
http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2005/dec05/3369

The Chairman of Qantas, Ms Margaret Jackson, said Qantas intended to fund the purchase of the new aircraft from operating cash flow.

That means NO debt to pay for the planes.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 8):
Jackson, said Qantas intended to fund the purchase of the new aircraft from operating cash flow.

So lots more sackings coming up fast !!! Unions r guna love that. Looks like we guna have a big QF strike !!! Great for the share price !!!


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4642 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 9):
So lots more sackings coming up fast !!! Unions r guna love that. Looks like we guna have a big QF strike !!! Great for the share price !!!

How do you figure that when the airline is expanding? Get back to me when you pull your head out of the sand.

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10):
How do you figure that when the airline is expanding? Get back to me when you pull your head out of the sand.

Expanding? What r they going to do use Chinese crews they are about the cheapest u can get !!!


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 11):
ing ClassicLover (Reply 10):
How do you figure that when the airline is expanding? Get back to me when you pull your head out of the sand.

Expanding? What r they going to do use Chinese crews they are about the cheapest u can get !!!

QF will most likely use Aussie based crews, but with a much lower and more realistic salary than current QF long haul Flight Attendants.


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