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NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It  
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I'm wondering if anyone can say for a fact if their company received the RFP from NW. I know that ZW did, but the feeling is that so did many other regionals and that this is going to be a very competitive bid. The RFP is due back in January, no word on when NW will get back to the bidders......so, who else received it?


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

How do you know that ZW received it?


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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

It will come out but believe me I know.


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

I don't need to say that I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope for this!!!

I bet it would be for CRJ-705s.



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

I was hoping for the EMB 175


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Yes, I think it (the -175) is a nicer airplane too. But given our current structure I can imagine that they can make a more competitive bid with the Bombardier product. All pilots would be qualified on all aircraft. Also, I bet aquisition costs are lower on the CRJ-705.

Who knows though. Keep your fingers crossed.



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Just as long as we see growth......the only bad thing against us is that Bedford was the CEO of Mesaba....he might be the golden child.


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

I dunno. We used to be the Golden Child with United. Look at how quickly that changed.

I make no predictions. Try not to think about it. It will be a pleasant surprise if something happens otherwise if we don't it will be disappointing. Well, it will be disappointing anyway if someone else gets it.........

I am back to work on Friday. I have a line for next month with min days off. Nice. Actually, other than that it is not a bad schedule - if I lived there.

See ya!



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

At least you are a line holder at this point. One of my mates is back on reserve.


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User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

I'll try to dig around and see if we (YV) got a RFP or not. Although I have my doubts that NW would seek us out.

User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Anyone think Skywest received an RFP?

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Why is ZW putting people on reserve? US flying not ramping up as quickly as the United flying is being pulled down? Seems like ZW has quite the gig from PHL now... Concourse F'ed is full of Air Whiskey.


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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

We will always have reserves. Our flying with US Airways is on schedule. Now, if you talk to our reserves we don't let them sit very long......right now in PHL most people are on reserve 2-3 months. We have another class starting in January, they might be on reserve longer. But we also have a high turn over rate right now....so many of our crews commute from the mid-west, it's very hard to get to PHL from MLI, SPI and other places.

I'm hoping Skywest didn't get the bid! But that's just me. Skywest is a great airline, I just don't want a lot of competition!  biggrin 



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 12):
so many of our crews commute from the mid-west, it's very hard to get to PHL from MLI, SPI and other places.

And it's too expensive for those folks to live out here, considering the differences of cost of living, unfortunately. Good luck to those folks though!


User currently offlineFlyby9877 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

AWAC is axing flights right now due to lack of crews, how are we going to handle any growth? We don't even have enough sim time to upgrade people.


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

I wonder the same thing about the lack of crews. They got behind the power curve, so to speak. Now they can't keep up with attrition and getting ahead will be tough. Even so, I think that if we had the prospect of Midwest flying again I think that some attrition would reduce. Also, it would be easier to recruit new crew members.

I still think of moving out to DCA, but the cost is numbing. I will wait 'til spring to decide. We should know more then.

I do think that the company is hiring aggressively enough that they will start to catch up in the next few months. But they sure did underestimate the feelings of the employees and the limits to how much they would be willing to take.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

For any of you PHL-based AWAC crews... living in the ABE area is cheaper than PHL... but everything is relative. I know many who drive from here down 476 to the PHL area, but if you're used to places like MLI, even the Lehigh Valley's cost of living will make your head spin... it did to mine after my time around PIT and VPZ even.

User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

If we were to open up a PIT domicile I think there would be some happy people. It is cheaper to live there and it is a nice airport.

Well, it is not all happy at ZW, but there is one neato thing - I am climbing the seniority list pretty quickly!!!  Big grin



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Once we stop flying for UA I don't think the shortage will be that bad. We are kind of spread thing right now. Of course we are still hiring. I don't think that we knew the attrition rate was going to be as high as it is with pilots....with FA's we knew, it's not worth commuting, but for pilots it's easier - not what they want but easier. Come March I don't think it will be as bad. How long do you have to be here before you can upgrade?


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

I have been here 20 months. It is difficult to estimate, but I think that within 12 months I will be close to upgrade if not already there. Depending on the situation I have thought of sitting on the right seat until I can hold a good line as a captain. We'll see though.

The upgrade at any airline depends on many things and times were at ZW that it took 10 years to upgrade. There were othere times when it only took a few months. This was the case when they still operated the Dornier 328.

I also think that you are right that the pilot attrition will ease up somewhat in the next few months. Still, it is hard to estimate. The fact is that some larger, more attractive airlines are hiring and most people will be taking better jobs if offered.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 2):
It will come out but believe me I know.

You mean to tell me I'm soon going to have to log some of the Air Whiskey aircraft as NW Airlink, after I have logged them once as UA Express, some as AirTran Jet Connect, and US Airways Express????

I mean, it's good for the photographers who sell their pics but a pain in the a** for us spotters who log an a/c by color scheme as well as registration!


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I think he means that AWAC has received the RFP (Request For Proposal). Not that AWAC is getting the flying. THAT is a whole 'nuther story. Anyone can bid on the flying.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 17):
It is cheaper to live there and it is a nice airport.

Significantly cheaper to live in PIT. I never realized how good I had it there until I left, lol.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

About the captain upgrades. Currently our most junior captains are still in the 9000 range employee number wise. I don't know where either of you guys are on that list for upgrades. I do know to help speed up the process they just put a bunch of capatins through check airman class to get us more check airmen for IOEs.

Based on what I have seen in dispatch, I would say mechanic shortages are killing us more than crew shortages, basically not enough mechanics brought in, and too many airplanes to work. Obviously MKE and ORD mechanics for the most part wouldn't relocate, and we are trying to hire in PHL, but cost of living is making it difficult out there. There has been a fair amount of attrition on the pilot side, guys not wanting to commute to PHL, plus guys who were flying the 146 who were scared to death to fly the crj. But a lot of former 146 guys are now starting to fly CRJ's and most of them are pretty good people to work with. DEN closing will help us there.

As for the RFP, I think we have a much better chance of putting in a competitive bid for Airlink than United Express. Why do I say this? Because when we put out our United bid, we had to keep the same cost structure, the same crews, and everything, where as other carriers not flying could come in and bit it as incremental growth, which saves money. Thats why GOJet, Skywest, and Mesa eventually got the flying. With Airlink, its a very similar case. Both Mesaba and Pinnacle have the same type of structure as we did with United, which will make it more difficult for them to put in a competitive bid. Where as we can come in, and since our 70 existing RJ's are tied up with USAir for 10 years, we can bid on the flying as incremental growth. That would keep our costs down, and allow us a greater chance of landing the flying. Our ATW HQ is a perfect location, we can keep the hangar open rather than lose a bunch of great mechanics, and the rumors about us moving out of ATW would be squashed. Plus DEN is a much easier commute to MSP or DTW, since many of our crews still commute from DEN. We shall wait and see.

And about the new hire classes. I have seen them come through ATW in packs. And the good news for you is I have seen a lot of hot girls in these classes.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

And one other thing to remember that might work in ZW's favor. ZW CEO Geoff Crowley worked at NW one time. While there he was the guy responsible for the NW/KLM alliance, which to call it successful would be an understatement. Hopefully NW hasn't forgotten this.

25 Post contains images Tornado82 : Another reason for a crew/mx domicile in Pittsburgh. Hint, ZW management.
26 Saab2000 : Apodino, I hope you are right!!! We'll see what happens, but working for NWA would be great. I do know a pilot for NWA who is a DC-9 captain and he ha
27 ATWZW170 : Well, as for the hot girls......does nothing for me, but if we have some hot guys coming in, that works!! I am not a pilot for ZW but work with a lot
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