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Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?  
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5039 times:

Will they go with absolute maximum seating configuration like AIr Transats 363 in 2 classes (2-3-2 in club & 3-3-3 in Y) ???

Probably !!! Would such as aircraft fully loaded be weight restricted HNL/SYD?

Hope they don't just do HNL/SYD. Hope they also do HNL/BNE & HNL/MEL.

Nobody wants to transit at horrible SYD !!!!

& who will they partner with at HNL for thru traffic? Westjet or ?

There are some cheap charter flights organised by casinos HNL/LAS !!! (using Omni Int Dc10's & 757's)

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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5022 times:

more on high density 2 class seating config. on 332 from Air Transat's website ...

http://www.airtransat.ca/en/7_3_2.asp

AIRBUS A330-200


Engines:
2 Rolls Royce TRENT 772B

Thrust:
71,100 lb (32,250 daN)

Fuel Capacity:
245,316 lb (111,272 kg)

Cruising Speed:
Mach 0.82 (870 km/h)

Maximum Take-Off Weight:
509,042 lb (230,900 kg)

Overall Length:
193 ft 7 in (59.00 m)

Wingspan:
197 ft 10 in (60.304 m)

Tail Height:
58 ft 8 in (17.89 m)

Cabin Length:
147 ft (45.04 m)

Maximum Range:
12 hours, up to 6,000 nautical miles (9,600 km)

Crew:
13 (Captain, First Officer, Flight Director, Assistant Flight Director and 9 Flight Attendants)

Seats:
363 (21 in Club Class and 342 in Economy Class), twin aisle, 3-3-3 configuration in Economy Class


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
who will they partner with at HNL for thru traffic?

why not AA? the 767s they fly to HNL with 2-2-2 in "premium" would be a good match to the 2-3-2J, though the 2-3-2 Y seating will feel luxurious after sitting in the 3-3-3 332 for 10 hours.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4971 times:

Whilst I don't mind Junkstar being used in posts I don't particularly enjoy reading about "Junkstar" in the title ... seriously ...


4 Engines 4 LongHaul
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 3):
Whilst I don't mind Junkstar being used in posts I don't particularly enjoy reading about "Junkstar" in the title ... seriously ...

Well it's hardly going to be luxury, but the prices will be lower !!!


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
though the 2-3-2 Y seating will feel luxurious after sitting in the 3-3-3 332 for 10 hours.

Would there be actually much difference in seat width between 2-4-2 in Y (a la Canada 3000) & 3-3-3 (a la Air Transat).

The aisle would be narrower, but how much narrower would the seat be, 1cm?

Anyone know exactly assuming the aisle was as narrow as it can be.


User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
Will they go with absolute maximum seating configuration like AIr Transats 363 in 2 classes (2-3-2 in club & 3-3-3 in Y) ???

9 Abreast in a A330, AirTransat should change their name to "DVT Air". Are these A330 for JetStar coming from the Qantas fleet??


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4856 times:

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 6):
Are these A330 for JetStar coming from the Qantas fleet??

I don't think news release said ? They have some more due soon I think ?

Does anyone know for sure?

Perhaps they're new ones, so could come direct from factory with 363 or more seats. Canada 3000 had a very clever layout with toilets hidden away near exits & no bukheads with galleys at front & back only. Weird when u 1st got on one of 2T's 332's & from front door could see every seat on aircraft.

Some clever layout is what's needed here, with small galleys !!!


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Simplicity -
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up.

Using the term 'Junkstar' in a thread title is neither funny nor clever, by the way.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

An even better layout would be to stick the lavs downstairs like Lufthansa have done on the A346, or Novair did on their 332s.

They're not going to be carrying much cargo other than passengers baggage, so the space isn't really needed.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

By the way Miami, im on your bloody jetstar on the 19th, my MEL-OOL. My f*cKi#g himbo PA booked me on it and booked a non-refundable fair so here I come.

JQ244. Working by any chance?


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 9):
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up.

Will they come from existing fleet?

Why wouldn't they go for a higher density layout, when u can get at least 363 on board in a 2 class layout?


Jetstar is known at Junkstar in the travel agent community as QF is known as dodgy ... + United "we die" TAA - try another airline etc. etc. etc.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 6):
9 Abreast in a A330, AirTransat should change their name to "DVT Air".

Oh yes... I have flown TS (332) on a 5 hr. flight and it was absolutely horrible. The seat pitch sucked too. I certainly hope Jetstar does not decide to use this configuration in their new aircraft.

An interesting note on the state of TS's Y seating (although off topic)... Lufthansa is not known for having a lot of space in Y on their 744's. But, TS crams more people in Y into a A332, then LH puts (in Y) in a 744. This applies to every configuration LH has.


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 13):
Oh yes... I have flown TS (332) on a 5 hr. flight and it was absolutely horrible. The seat pitch sucked too. I certainly hope Jetstar does not decide to use this configuration in their new aircraft.

But you knew this before you flew or didn't you check their website OR ask someone.

Anyway, I think you're all missing the point !!!

By putting max seating on board, they can lower the fares to point where those who would not otherwise fly overseas, do, like how DJ & JQ have increased domestic flying.

A really smart option, would possibly be to have say 2 classes within Y, ie. maybe have 3-3-3 seating at back & 2-4-2 seating at front with slightly more seat pitch. A bit like the Blue Zone on DJ or economy plus on UA or various airlines these days.


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Also seat pitch doesn't take into account thickness of seat. I remember flying a on an NZ 767 a few years ago trans tasman & seats where very thin, which increased leg room but not seat pitch.

User currently offlineCorsairF/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Quoting CorsairF/a (Reply 16):
Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

Wow can anyone top that? Was that is 1 or 2 classes? Maybe Jetstar INT will try for 400+ !!!

Seriously, what's the max. an A332 is certified for?

I heard A380 is certified for 853 & B743 certificed for 620.

Corsair has 743 with 570 or is it 580 in 2 classes or 1?


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 17):
Quoting CorsairF/a (Reply 16):
Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

Wow can anyone top that? Was that is 1 or 2 classes? Maybe Jetstar INT will try for 400+ !!!

Monarch Airlines fly two A330-200s with 374 seats in a two class configuration... Source

Thomas Cook Airlines 'only' have 354 seats... Source

I'm not sure about MyTravel Airways cabin layout, but I think Monarch have the highest number of seats on their A330-200.

[Edited 2005-12-14 12:02:56]


7late7, A3latey, Sukhoi Superlate... what's going on?
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Perhaps they won't reconfigure the aircraft form their current "domestic" configuration.

QF did mention that Jetstar would be introducing a premium economy which would be similar to domestic business class.

So I'd presume (and it would make sense) that they would be config'd as 38 Premium Economy and 265 normal economy.

ANstar


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 8):
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up

Miami1, I wouldn't even go out on a limb. I think you will find the exterior will be painted, but interior will be the same.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 10):
My f*cKi#g himbo PA booked me on it and booked a non-refundable fair so here I come

Well, I hope he can spell better that you. Mind you, by the fact he actually booked the flight instead of the circus you were expecting, then maybe you should be offering an apology?


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting EGNR (Reply 17):
Monarch Airlines fly two A330-200s with 374 seats in a two class configuration

Wow 374 in 2 classes (3-3-3 in Y & 2-4-2 in premium - must have an extra mm. of leg room)

seating capacity 374 seats in two classes:
51 in Premium Cabin
323 in the main cabin

Why on earth would anyone think that Jetstar INT would go any less than this?

It's not SQ business class, it budget city, with no included drinks or food !!! (still can't believe they would think they cn get away with no drinks/food on a 10 hour flight !!! )

The guy who runs Jetstar now used to work for Ryanair, the incredibly successful airline, who are doing away with window shades, seat back pockets & reclining seats. Maybe he might jam a few more seats in the ceiling like some new business class products !!! (not as silly as it sounds, but would that increase maximum seating capacity ???


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
Maybe he might jam a few more seats in the ceiling like some new business class products !!! (not as silly as it sounds, but would that increase maximum seating capacity ???

Business class in the ceiling?!
Maybe you are refering to the 777 crew rest areas on top of the cabin... but that's not revenue seats... for crew use only.

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

What are the possible routes Jetstar is looking at?


from star dust....
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 22):
What are the possible routes Jetstar is looking at?

Apparently destinations QF currently serve, but from different starting points... so think Asia & HNL for now...


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Media today is saying Jetstar will go head to head with Qantas mainline to the USA as part of a strategy to avoid competition on the pacific route...



Thurs "Sydney Morning Herald"

Qantas signals Pacific fare war . . . with itself
By Clive Dorman and Rod Myer
December 15, 2005

QANTAS yesterday vowed to slash fares to the United States, announcing the planned expansion of its budget carrier Jetstar to US routes and a massive $10 billion investment in 65 new-generation Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft from 2008.

The move will add to the political pressure on the Howard Government to keep Singapore Airlines locked out of the lucrative Pacific routes and is designed to deflect one of main arguments for exposing Qantas to more competition over the Pacific — that the airline has been charging excessive fares to Los Angeles and San Francisco.

By launching discount flights to North America, Qantas is also trying to head off moves by its domestic competitor, Virgin Blue, to fly to Los Angeles.

Singapore Airlines has been lobbying the Federal Government for permission to fly the Sydney-Los Angeles route, one of the most lucrative in the world, because Qantas currently faces competition from only one carrier, a weakened United Airlines trading under bankruptcy protection.

Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Jetstar would line up against its parent airline on US routes "in the immediate future " — well before the introduction of the new planes. The 787s will revolutionise the economics of the airline, allowing it to operate more direct services to Asia and North America.


25 Simpilicity : This probably therefore means using HNL as a hub, (as high density A332's won't make west coast even from BNE) BUT would have to codeshare with AA ov
26 Miami1 : The 330s will be configured indentical to QF domestic configuration. 7 abreast in Y+ with 38" pitch and 8 abreast in Y with 31" pitch. QantasLink hav
27 FCKC : Any idea , when will these A330s for Jetstar come from ? Qantas ? ILFC ? Others ?
28 ClassicLover : Qantas! The current 4 A332s are being transferred, and apparently a couple of the new 333s will be sent to Jetstar until the 787s arrive. Once the 78
29 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Sydneys not that bad to transit domestically, you get to drive accross the airport and drive right next to 744s Dont tell jetstar that!, next they wi
30 ClassicLover : 743s won't go to Jetstar, due to the operating costs of the aircraft. They are three cockpit crew analog machines, meaning they'd have to use existin
31 Simpilicity : Why would they do it this way? Certainly not the Jetstar way. By going 3-3-3 in Y they can get an extra 40 or so seats, by cutting aisle down & seat
32 ANstar : You will be able to get food and drinks, but you will need to pay for it (at this stage, but I expect that to change) Not sure where you;ve been, but
33 Simpilicity : Who loves UA ? Not us !!! But if they don't get their act together, we have QF or JQ Int, as the only options to North America from Australia, which
34 Gigneil : QF's 332s are the lowest gross weight available, and powered by the weakest engine option available. Changes will need to be made. N
35 6thfreedom : Because if they launch services early 2007, and B787 deliveries commence 2008, it may not be cost effective to start changing the config. It may also
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