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Take A Sneak Peak Inside A 747-8  
User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

When passengers first enter a 747 today through door No. 2, they can't help but notice a galley, hardly an inviting sight. There is not much room.

This space has been rearranged for the passenger version of 747-8. The interior is much more open. A large circular "skylight" is just inside the entrance, which features a curved wall that hides the galley.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

The "Dreamlav"?

Who thought of that???




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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5264 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
The "Dreamlav"?

it is dreamy all right.... a lot better than what we can get now.

I still cant picture the sky beds in the "attic". I need to see a graphic of a 747 to see that empty space where they can fit all that.

I am wondering if airlines would use it for F passengers free of charge or charge a premium to any passernger to use those sky suites.


User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

That DreamLav looks awesome...I somehow doubt we'll be seeing it any time soon though. Looks kind of far-fetched.


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Actually that toilet looks like a great place to do some business or thinking.

Size wise it would conform with access laws for those with disabilities. The floor is something we would never see on a U.S carrier but we can already see on CX's A333s. Best business experience in my life on a plane.



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4955 times:
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What they need is a pressurized dream pod to discharge unruly passengers in flight without the annoyance or inconvenience of a diversion. It would have a barometric parachute release that would discharge at 5000 feet and the pod itself would start to depressurize as to not kill or harm the offenders upon opening once landed.

Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple.



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Roy just wants to take a nap...He is tired from boozing all night celebrating the QF order, leave the man alone!  Smile




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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Size wise it would conform with access laws for those with disabilities. The floor is something we would never see on a U.S carrier but we can already see on CX's A333s. Best business experience in my life on a plane.

Was it you who wrote in your report "are these TILES I see on the floor"? I seem to remember you were with your wife.

The size of the lav is impossible though, who would give up that much space for non-revenue stuff?


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
That DreamLav looks awesome...I somehow doubt we'll be seeing it any time soon though. Looks kind of far-fetched.

I was actually fortunate over the summer to get a tour of the Systems Concept Center (or was it the Payloads Concept Center? Can't remember the exact name. Anyway..), a semi-independent organization within Boeing that comes up with these kind of innovations. They're a think-tank of sorts that are given the reign to operate a little outside of the "normal Boeing infastructure". I actually walked into the model lav shown and can tell you that it's fully functional. They also had a shower of sorts that operated on a very small amount of water. It was something alone the lines of 40 ounces or around there. The way they showed us, it was basically a human carwash of sorts. You walk in, you are sprayed with a mist of water, you are given the chance to lather up, and then you are rinsed off. In the same compartment, you have jets of hot air to dry you off. Basically, you walk in, go through several stages, and then walk out into a changing room. It's not a full-shower of sorts, but it's enough to get you clean and refreshed. It's quick, it's draws a relatively-low amount of power, and it operates on the amount of water that goes into a bottle of Aquafina! Wow!

Another concept that is being looked at is separate male/female facilities that cater to the individual requirements of the respective sexes.

The SCC (PCC?) also demonstrated several other features that they are looking to implement in cabins in the next 3-5 years, but unfortunately, they remain in the realm of Boeing Proprietary/Limited information. If any of you have any questions concerning Boeing cabin enhancements, please feel free to contact me. I will do my best to answer your questions while remaining within the confines of the non-disclosure agreement I have signed.

These kind of concepts are already feasible and can be implemented virtually instantaneously, it's just a matter of airlines spending the money for them. They're really not as far-fetched as you may think...

[Edited 2005-12-15 07:40:58]

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

How much can you stuff that poor 748, looks to me that obesity hits Ewerett....

Micke//SE  Wink *sarcasm*



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2412 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

That 747-8 looks so nice! It really deserves a lot of orders! I hope they will come soon!

User currently offlineCalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

That lav looks like the ones on Virgin Trains on the Voyager and Pendolino trains! (minus the faux tiles on the floor)


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
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Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 5):
What they need is a pressurized dream pod to discharge unruly passengers in flight without the annoyance or inconvenience of a diversion. It would have a barometric parachute release that would discharge at 5000 feet and the pod itself would start to depressurize as to not kill or harm the offenders upon opening once landed.

Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple.

would you have put them both in one pod ?



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

I think these interior "previews" from Boeing and Airbus are to "inspire" the big public & everybody influenced by them.

After that the airlines come in to make the expensive airframe profitable..



User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 5):
Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple

Unless they were over the ocean, might want to put in a life raft or some water wings in that pod  Wink


User currently offlineDakar From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

Nick


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting Dakar (Reply 15):
Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

I think it's a polished wood floor?



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting Dakar (Reply 15):
Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

Yes, and its probably on the Upper Deck.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Looks nice to me. I don't any airline would really opt for that. What would make more sense is that the crown area is used for the galley and the meals are bought down via an elevator. That way the main deck is freed up for more revenue seats.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2412 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

From the article:
"But this extra overhead space gives the 747-8 an advantage over the bigger A380 from Airbus, Eggink said.

The A380 has two passenger decks that run the length of the plane. There is no more room above the upper deck. So any additional space that airlines want to carve out for passengers would have to come from the plane's cargo hold or by removing seats from the A380 cabin"

I don't really get this part. Airbus could empty part of the upper deck so that there would be room for some "innovative space", and yes, they would have to remove seats if they wanted to do so, but isn't that the same with the Boeing? If you want to use the upper deck as an executive lounge, then you have to take out some seats aswell..! ??


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
I don't really get this part. Airbus could empty part of the upper deck so that there would be room for some "innovative space", and yes, they would have to remove seats if they wanted to do so, but isn't that the same with the Boeing? If you want to use the upper deck as an executive lounge, then you have to take out some seats aswell..! ??

No; these features will use crown space above the main cabin, aft of the true upper deck, which was previously used for cables, wiring, and air ducts. The idea is that Sky Suite customers will sit in Y for takeoff and landing, since the crown area has no emergency exit capability, then move to their suites during cruise. For the A380, any similar product would require removing an equal area of existing seating.

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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):

Nope, Boeing is using the crown space behind the hump for this stuff. You can't put regular seats in there because there is no emergency exits. However this space could be used for sleeping berths and crew rest areas (like the 777). I think the most realistic use would be galley space and crew rest areas, think of how much room that could free up down below. Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting NorCal (Reply 21):
Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above

If that is possible then can the 748 carry 500 passengers in a 3 class layout?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8305 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

The upper deck bunks are probably one of the few "aircraft design ideas" that have a chance of making it into real planes. They would provide an airline with enhanced First features, or provide additional revenue to Business or Y customers that wanted to pay for the space. They also don't take away from revenue generating space like most designs we see for "planes of the future".

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2412 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 20):
No; these features will use crown space above the main cabin, aft of the true upper deck, which was previously used for cables, wiring, and air ducts. The idea is that Sky Suite customers will sit in Y for takeoff and landing, since the crown area has no emergency exit capability, then move to their suites during cruise. For the A380, any similar product would require removing an equal area of existing seating.



Quoting NorCal (Reply 21):
Nope, Boeing is using the crown space behind the hump for this stuff. You can't put regular seats in there because there is no emergency exits. However this space could be used for sleeping berths and crew rest areas (like the 777). I think the most realistic use would be galley space and crew rest areas, think of how much room that could free up down below. Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above

ahh.. thanks guys! I misunderstood it  Smile


25 Ikramerica : while you misunderstood it, your point is still valid. why does using the crown that was dead space make it any better than using part of the upper d
26 AirPacific747 : I have to agree with you there, and thankyou for sharing your knowledge about the "dead space"
27 HiJazzey : If you can't put extra seats there because of egress issues, how can you put lounges/sleeping berths? What are the regulations on this matter?
28 OldAeroGuy : Since there are no parachutes on commercial airplanes the only time you need to worry about egress is during takeoff and landing. The regulations do
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