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ATL Wants 1.8 Billion For 70 New Gates  
User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Looks like the airport wants more gates and wants to build a new terminal on the south side with up to 70 new gates.



http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/12/12/daily20.html

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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
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Excuse me-but will the exisitng runways support that many more planes fromthat many more gates?

User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting Rumorboy (Thread starter):
Looks like the airport wants more gates and wants to build a new terminal on the south side with up to 70 new gates

Is this to replace the existing terminal complex at Atlanta. It is well know that the only airlines making money to Atlanta are Air Tran and Delta Airlines. With already exhausting taxi and delay times, why isnt Atlanta going to become slot controlled?

KAHALA777


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

There has been talk about this for a while now. I believe the International Terminal has been put on hold so I could see this one getting delayed as well. It is supposed to be for AirTran and other airlines/LCCs that want to get out of the crappy D Concourse. We'll see what happens but I wouldn't expect it for a while.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):
It is well know (sic) that the only airlines making money to Atlanta are Air Tran (sic) and Delta Airlines (sic).

Delta makes money in Atlanta? Gee, their SEC Filings don't seem to bear that out...if that was the case, why don't they just cut every single flight they have with the exception of their Atlanta operation?   

Edited to point out more spelling errors in quote...

[Edited 2005-12-14 19:31:09]


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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):
It is well know that the only airlines making money to Atlanta are Air Tran and Delta Airlines.

I would think all airlines that serve Atlanta make money flying to Atlanta or else they would drop the city from their respective route systems.


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Well if something happens to DL we will be seeing several hundred empty gates at ATL so not sure why they need this right now.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Quoting Ultrapig (Reply 1):
Excuse me-but will the exisitng runways support that many more planes fromthat many more gates?

Yes, especially with the fifth runway opening up next year.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):
Is this to replace the existing terminal complex at Atlanta.

No. This is the expansion to the International Concourse (including a dedicated International Terminal so that folks won't have to trek from the Main Terminal to E) and the proposed South Terminal. All this has been long in the planning stages as part of the ATL Master Plan.

Part of the reasons for the new South Terminal is due to the lack of gate space at the airport. More than likely, this terminal will be for AirTran, and AirTran's gates on C become Delta Connection gates, and Delta's gates on D (including Delta Connection) become gates for future airlines to serve ATL. The airport admits that the lack of gate space during certain times of the day has hurt the airport in attracting additional airline service.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5157 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Gotta love local public officials.

Hello, guys. Just look at DFW. Enough said. $1.8 billion. Gawd.

DL is contracting. More gates will be available. Just let it play out, and put the money towards something useful.


User currently offlineMidway737 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3413 times:
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Now What??

Should ATL wait to see if DL will emerge BK? What happen to the old terminal that replace the current terminal?? Would have kept the old terminal for that matter.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
DL is contracting. More gates will be available. Just let it play out, and put the money towards something useful.

While DL is contracting, I wouldn't count on them giving up a single gate in ATL....particularly to their arch-rival, Airtran. Not to mention that much of the contraction isn't occurring at ATL...it's at CVG and to a lesser extent SLC.
Plus, while DL is cutting some domestic flights at ATL, they are adding a ton of international flights.

So unless DL liquidates, I can't see them giving up gates at ATL.

If I remember correctly, Independence has its own gate (probably leased from the city) on Concourse D. That gate should be available soon for Airtran, though I don't think its directly adjacent to Airtran's other "D" gates.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
DL is contracting. More gates will be available. Just let it play out, and put the money towards something useful.

DL may be contracting, but they aren't giving up gates. As long as the airport gets their rent money, they could care less if you use gate space for a yard sale or a toxic waste dump. So despite how much Delta may "contract," no gates will be going up from Delta.


And who is to say this new terminal can't be used by Delta? If Delta suddenly plans for a major expansion around the time the terminal is being built, and if the terminal gets connected to the main Worldport, then why wouldn't Delta not be allowed to use those gates as well, even if they were common use gates?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 11):
And who is to say this new terminal can't be used by Delta? If Delta suddenly plans for a major expansion around the time the terminal is being built, and if the terminal gets connected to the main Worldport, then why wouldn't Delta not be allowed to use those gates as well, even if they were common use gates?

I doubt that DL would want anything to do with the South Terminal. They would rather tell Mr De Costa to tell all non-DL domestic airlines to move south, so that DL will have the whole then-North, including all T-gates and the whole C- and D-concourses.
Also, as per the masterplan, the two terminal complexes are to be connected through an extension of MARTA.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Maybe in all this shuffle they can turn the airport back to it's rightful name, The William B. Hartsfield Atlanta Airport Sad

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 13):
Maybe in all this shuffle they can turn the airport back to it's rightful name, The William B. Hartsfield Atlanta Airport

No, how dare you even think about that? Do you know how racist that would be, discriminating at Maynard Jackson? You sure are one hateful person.
Signed,

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton


 Silly


User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4553 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Considering they spent over a billion dollars on the 5th runway and are talking about $1.8 billion for 70 additional gates wouldn't it be wiser if Atlanta really needed more capacity to build an entirely new airport for that much money? Between the 5th runway and the 70 gates you are talking about $3 billion dollars. It would seem there would be a much greater return on investment dollar to move away from the delay nightmare that is ATL. Build somewhere else around the city and get a fresh start. Leave DL to soak in the schedule enduced delay problems that they have created.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Another thread on this web site stated AirTran is getting 5 more gates soon on the D concourse, anyone have any information?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 16):
Another thread on this web site stated AirTran is getting 5 more gates soon on the D concourse, anyone have any information?

No official info, but indeed there soon could be a couple of gates available: One from FlyI, who I consider highly likely to be gone from ATL sooner than later, and another 1 or 2 when US and HP move together. Other than that, FL might be putting some flights on the E-gates, if they really feel the need to.


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

You could not build an airport for 3 billion dollars. Not today with the NIMBYs and environmentalists around. Wishful thinking.

User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 16):



Quoting WDBRR (Reply 16):
Another thread on this web site stated AirTran is getting 5 more gates soon on the D concourse, anyone have any information?

I don't know this for sure but I saw new construction started on the end of the D concourse and in between Continental gates(those gates are pretty wide)maybe those are it. Probably will be done in the spring.


User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4553 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting William (Reply 18):
You could not build an airport for 3 billion dollars. Not today with the NIMBYs and environmentalists around. Wishful thinking.

It might be wishful thinking but it has to be a better idea than putting in good money over bad at ATL. Isn't there another airport around Atlanta that could be refurbished and expanded?



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 20):
It might be wishful thinking but it has to be a better idea than putting in good money over bad at ATL. Isn't there another airport around Atlanta that could be refurbished and expanded?

There are other airports around the metro ATL area but the people will not allow it and of course Delta and Airtran would try to block it.


User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

The ever changing South Terminal complex was originally planned to be a commuter terminal. However, that has changed many times and has had many incarnations. I suspect it may take a while to be built if ever built.

The new international terminal will eventually be built. There was a cost problem with the original planners so a new one has been chosen, I think. The airport guys don't always tell you everything.

For the person who asked about the old 1956 terminal, most of that terminal was taken be the northern most runway, and the administration building was taken by the hotel.

ATL has always been a money pit and will continue to be so. The joys of city politics. I just wish we had better cargo facilities. ATL keeps improving the passenger side, but sort of forgets the cargo. Oh well.

N757KW



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting ORD (Reply 5):
I would think all airlines that serve Atlanta make money flying to Atlanta or else they would drop the city from their respective route systems.

If that was true all the airlines would be making money.



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2587 times:

I believe this was a part of their master plan some time ago. It included the new tower, 5th runway, and new international terminal and concourse.

25 1337Delta764 : IMO a central APM station should be included for two APM lines for the terminals. One train should go to Concourses T, A, B, C, D, E, and the new inte
26 Srbmod : The Indy Air gate could probably be turned over to AirTran within hours of Indy pulling out. They use D-7, the nearest FL gate on D is D-5. It really
27 Indy : 6500 to 7000 would be perfect for the 737 correct?
28 Fewsolarge : I wish they would think again about the land slated for the CONRAC (across I-85 from the current terminal). That paints planners into a corner when th
29 Positiverate : Show me the statistics that support ATL becoming a slot controlled airport.
30 Post contains links Indy : Besides it being the 2nd most delay prone airport in the nation with 72 delays per 1,000 operations? That is second only to O'hare. http://www.gao.go
31 ATLgaUSA : Athens is really not closer for anyone in metro Atlanta with the traffic issues on 316. Maybe closer for the folks in Lawerenceville, but that's not e
32 1337Delta764 : This would have to cause a mass renaming in the concourses. Concourse T was named because it forms a T connected to the terminal. What should it be c
33 Post contains images Srbmod : Nope. The name has nothing to do with the shape. T is short for Terminal Gates since the gates are connected to the Terminal building.
34 1337Delta764 : Still it would have to be renamed if the current terminal is demolished in favor of new concourses. I would think if this would happen (highly unlike
35 AirFrnt : The big problem right now in Atlanta is the security systems there. They have the most convoluted system I have ever seen for routing different passen
36 WDBRR : does anyone know why concourse "D" is like 10 feet narrower than concourses A, B, & C? Was this a Southern Airways/Republic hub terminal?
37 Post contains images DeltaGator : And would you really want UGA grads checking you in, working around the planes, and being in charge of security? I don't think so. Sorry, I just coul
38 Srbmod : Southern was the last of the Atlanta-based airlines (and other airlines operating @ ATL) to finally agree to move to Midfield, so they really didn't
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